Still stringing me along; Borderline Personality Disorder

HippieChick

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OK so I go in FINALLY to the counseling place. Not having slept all night long - insomnia = big issue for me. When I get there and go through the bullshit of why do I already owe so much? They finally get their shit together on the money part. So my shrink comes and gets me ... "Do I know you from somewhere? You look familiar." Turns out he has adhd and can't remember anything from the 'screening' that he did 2 months ago. Lovely, my shrink is 'mentally interesting'. I go back in yet another month; STILL no meds! Does everyone experience this kind of lag in services?

During my session he says, I have a different theory ... "Do you feel a sense of abandonment?" I'm like, "We've already been through this; borderline personality disorder". 8) Does anyone else have this and what medications have they found most helpful?
 
We've already talked about that. Abilify is a good candidate for BPD.
 
Get a second opinion on your diagnoses for sure. It kinda sounds like your shrink just pulled the borderline diagnoses out of his ass since he really does not have to do anything it's a convienant diagnoses as well.
 
Is there anyway you can see a new shrink? TBH I would have little confidence in someone who was not prepared for their client like this...Find this really upsetting.:\
When I was in hospital years ago I was being seen by this particular shrink who was well known for his 'Prestigios Global Recognition'. He used to come by for about 15 minutes every week and ask 'How I was feeling?' and if 'I had been hearing any voices?'(I had never hallucinated in this way normally)8)...I felt so alone and misunderstood, my condition didnt improve(surprise, surprise) I lost so much confidence in the system and became cynical which didnt help me with my own trust issues, as you can imagine. Go with your gut Hippie Chick...if this guy isnt listening to you and you have no confidence in him, I would bring it up with someone else or some other Health Professional(I'm not sure what way the System is run where you live but substandard Clinicians are not acceptable!).
It's so important to have your needs met with regard to your Mental Health!<3
 
Borderline Personality Disorder

Get a second opinion on your diagnoses for sure. It kinda sounds like your shrink just pulled the borderline diagnoses out of his ass since he really does not have to do anything it's a convienant diagnoses as well.

Well, he is kind of a second opinion already. Around 8 years ago, I was diagnosed as being bi-polar type 2? And he asked me a lot of questions, and seems to think I was miss-diagnosed then - as I experience zero mania (I wish). I've read up on borderline and it fits pretty well. Sexual abuse, fear of abandonment, use of drugs ... although when he asked me if I'd ever abused drugs (and went on to say, "I don't consider weed, unless it brings on panic attacks and yet you still smoke) ... I said, "REALLY? Well sweet then, no" Wish Arkansas had similar laws to California = legal medicinal pot!

Do you mean that if I have this borderline personality disorder stuff, his job as a shrink is limited? He sure did talk a lot about his ex-wife, and her cheating and blah, blah, blah ... a lot more than I really cared to hear about his ex.
 
Well, he is kind of a second opinion already. Around 8 years ago, I was diagnosed as being bi-polar type 2? And he asked me a lot of questions, and seems to think I was miss-diagnosed then - as I experience zero mania (I wish). I've read up on borderline and it fits pretty well. Sexual abuse, fear of abandonment, use of drugs ... although when he asked me if I'd ever abused drugs (and went on to say, "I don't consider weed, unless it brings on panic attacks and yet you still smoke) ... I said, "REALLY? Well sweet then, no" Wish Arkansas had similar laws to California = legal medicinal pot!

Do you mean that if I have this borderline personality disorder stuff, his job as a shrink is limited? He sure did talk a lot about his ex-wife, and her cheating and blah, blah, blah ... a lot more than I really cared to hear about his ex.

I would get rid of this guy asap, he sounds completely incompetent. My preference is for a psychiatrist that does not get too caught up in DSM labels but that actually takes the time to listen to you.

Medications can help with symptoms but it needs to be properly followed by somebody that knows what they are doing. I've seen many people who get over-medicated to the point of just being constantly sedated and miserable. Harm reduction needs to be applied to prescription drugs just as much as recreational drugs.
 
Damn that portrait of incompetent doc seems to fit my shrink so well :X

Fuck him, he's a loonatic and his case is much more aggravated than mine...
 
Gosh I love bluelight.

Ya'll are so funny! I can just bust out how I really feel and get the same in return. Live in Arkansas LouLou? He may BE your shrink. I felt like telling him, "Hey dude, I'm not your shrink, you're mine." And by the way, when you say his case is more aggravated than yours, are you referring to me or to him? 8o Kidding ... I know what you're talking about.
 
It's not uncommon for you to be asked questions you've been asked before at each appointment, even if they seem irrelevant to your problem (the hearing voices one is common as are depression scale questions) - it can be helpful both in terms of adding certainty to a diagnosis and also for evaluating your progress. That said, you should feel like your doctor is actually interested in the answers.

The mainstay of treatment for bipolar disorder is medication, whereas the mainstay of treatment for Borderline Personality Disorder is therapy (and Dialectical Behavioural Therapy in particular) so your doctor may be of limited usefulness to you if he doesn't offer therapy.

You can find the proposed DSM-5 criteria for Borderline Personality Disorder at this link :

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=17#

I would certainly question a diagnosis of BPD if it meets the DSM-IV criteria but not the new criteria for DSM-5.

One problem with a BPD diagnosis is that it can be an easy out for a doctor. Because BPD patients are regarded as being "difficult", a doctor can develop a bias which leads to him diagnosing any "difficult" patient (and a female patient in particular - "difficult" male patients are more likely to be given a diagnosis of Anti-social Personality Disorder) with BPD.



A surprising number of mental health workers believe that you can pick a borderline patient by how interacting with them makes the workers feel - if the therapist feels frustrated with the patient, then the patient must be borderline. It's appalling clinical practice, but it's an attitude that tends to become self-reinforcing.

People do get mis-diagnosed with Axis I disorders like bipolar disorder, but I'd be uncomfortable with any psychiatrist who throws out a diagnosis made by another clinician and replaces it with a new diagnosis within a couple of appointments. He didn't personally observe your behaviour at the time the bipolar disorder diagnosis was made and he hasn't really seen you often enough to establish the presence of a personality disorder.
 
I really don't know?

I've read the stuff and fit most of the criteria. Although, I do feel empathy for others. I don't always feel a sense of 'emptiness' either. Sometimes I do excel at things. Having said those things: I have had MANY jobs, many 'relationships', fear of abandonment, I use pot on occasion although not lately, I am constantly angry these days ... but it's for obvious reasons. ie husband got reckless driving ticket going 140 mph = got ticket that we have to pay 1020 to judge (520 more) by Feb. 4th for him to retain his cdl/job. AND he wrecked my car into Cabot exit sign right before going to court. "Todd" seems those things are 'normal' things to be mad at :X ... ya think? Plus my son has recently been diagnosed with adhd and is a handful to put in mildly. It's been frustrating trying to get him help and get me help and husband is already seeing shrink who just throws valium, celexa and ritalin at him and says "I'll see you in 6 months". I feel mine gives me a little more time than does my husbands'. "Todd" actually feels my husband is a 'border' too - I think that's probably likely too ... but I'm there for me. I'll let my husbands' shrink deal with his issues.

I didn't really get the feeling that the new counselor "Todd" felt uncomfortable; if anything he enjoyed talking with me. My mom has a master's degree in guidance and counseling and I am a good listener. I'll give him another few trys and if I don't feel a 'connection' I'll switch to someone else. It's not costing me a fortune; a mere $33 per visit.
 
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One problem with a BPD diagnosis is that it can be an easy out for a doctor. Because BPD patients are regarded as being "difficult", a doctor can develop a bias which leads to him diagnosing any "difficult" patient (and a female patient in particular - "difficult" male patients are more likely to be given a diagnosis of Anti-social Personality Disorder) with BPD.

This is what happened to me with my first shrink. She originally diagnosed me as having bipolar NOS but suddenly changed the diagnoses to narcissistic personality disorder and i think also anti-social personality disorder. She maybe saw me 5 times total since i only saw her for maybe 6 months and i usually saw one of the other docs at the clinic not her. She said there was no need to see me anymore, took me off all my meds except clonazepam and i suddenly no longer had a shrink. My moods went to complete fucking shit and i didnt get to see another shrink for about 6 months. My new shrink diagnosed me as having bipolar NOS and said i didnt fitt the criteria for any personality disorder.

Im still kinda pissed at that first shrink because she made my life a living hell for about a year due to taking me off my meds and i ended up in trouble when i was off my meds.

To the OP your shrink sounds incompetant to say the very fucking least. Find a new one ASAP id say.
 
This guy is crappy. Get someone else.
My psychiatrist and therapist some times ask me questions repeatedly, but it's usually to clear up something they are not sure about, or a minor detail that they have forgotten or wonder if has changed. My doctor has to look on the chart to see my medication doses, but generally knows what I am taking at any given time if I'm in session or not.

Diagnosises are important sometimes. I went into this psychiatrist, and first of all he asked me general questions about depression, anxiety, family history of mental and physical illness, abuse history, etc. He asked me what I had been diagnosed with in the past (at this point it was MDD and Panic Disorder, but I had never seen a psychiatrist since I told anyone about my very significant abuse history). I had a therapist that also recognized I dissociated a lot, but I had never been formally diagnosed with a dissociative disorder.

In my opinion, I thought I had MDD, PTSD, a dissociative disorder of some kind and Poly substance abuse history. Basically this was exactly right; later I got diagnosed with HPPD and DID and he also has a possible diagnosis of panic disorder or generalized anxiety disorder. I just found all this out my last visit cause I thought to ask, though I could have at any time. He thinks my anxiety is probably PTSD only, in fact I said that when he brought it up and he agrees, lol... so my point is, you should be able to generally know what condition(s) you have without the doctor having to formally spell it out for you. He readily admits when he is not sure of something (like the panic disorder or GAD thing), even after two years he is not sure. But if you ask, it should be there. It shouldn't be the most important thing, drug therapy is not so clear cut and they should use their personally success and failures with certain patients on certain drugs to know what generally works, and what to try second, etc... Just because you may have BPD and drugs are generally thought to not help, there still may be something that the doctor has seen work.

I have an exceptional doctor, but I ask him about my physical ailments sometimes because he explains it a lot better than my GP does and generally realizes I just ask because I'm curious as fuck and want to understand more deeply than most people care to.

There's no reason for him not to try you out on a basic SSRI at least, and if he's just a therapist he should definitely point you to a psychiatrist. He didn't go to med school.

Good luck.

I got diagnosed as having oppositional defiant disorder as a kid, and it changed the way my family treated me and in hindsight is laughable. Labels can really damage someone on an internal and/or external level It is important to be able to discuss the whys with your doctor and not just take their word on one diagnosis or the other. Of course some mental illness has great denial as one of its symptoms, but generally you'll be able to see how it fits, how it kinda fits, or how it's bullshit. I have a lot of BPD symptoms, and if you don't look past that to the DID + PTSD angle, you might think that was it. But going deeper, it's different. Two sessions is not sufficient to make a definite diagnosis, IMO.
 
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He, being "todd" isn't even the 'Doctor' that I go see on the 28th .. I guess he's just doing all the preliminary stuff for the acutal Doctor to look at? I figure I have PTSD as well as maybe just general depression? I'm not a 'Dr' so I don't know, but I'm pretty smart and will figure it out soon. He said you don't actually have to go to war or anything to have PTSD. I will ask if he's a counselor or therapist next time I go in. I think the 'Doctor' is going to 'fix' my problems: mood swings, insomnia, oh I can't remember right now what all I told him.
 
It's even more confusing because there are several different disorders in which a past history of abuse and/or trauma is a common feature. That's why a proper differential diagnosis by someone properly qualified (and here pretty much only clinical psychologists and psychiatrists are qualified to diagnose mental health disorders) is important.

I really hope that the doctor you see on 28th is able to narrow things down a bit and develop an effective treatment plan for you. It's really frustrating when the list of "possible" disorders you have just keeps growing and you're not really being offered any treatment for them.

I also hope that you have a full assessment session with the doctor so that he can make his own observations and ask his own questions independent of the information which "Todd" has provided. In my experience, people have better outcomes when their psychiatrist is actually involved in their treatment rather than simply being a prescriber the patient sees for 15 minutes every few months.
 
I also hope that you have a full assessment session with the doctor so that he can make his own observations and ask his own questions independent of the information which "Todd" has provided. In my experience, people have better outcomes when their psychiatrist is actually involved in their treatment rather than simply being a prescriber the patient sees for 15 minutes every few months.

Definitely, I see mine for at least 45 minutes once a month, usually one 45min session and one 20 just for mostly a medication check. Sometimes I go more if I need to and can afford it.
 
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