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sticky and irritating situation -_- help please

Shady Kaity

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okay so as most of you know, i've been having many issues with my current boyfriend and I have been advised many times to leave him.
background again for those who dont know:
we've been together 11 months, we've been through many highs and lows(abortion, lying about drug use,going to rehab, being in a psych ward, feeling mistreated and as if im being belittled by him which severely has affected my self esteem, and the huge lack of sex and constant fighting)

okay so, this is a very complicated story so im going to try to make it as easy to follow...
how joe(my current bf) and I met, was through this guy I had met an NA meetings(Justin). Justin and I had kind of liked each other and we're talking, I thought I had really liked him, but I guess i truly didnt because when he asked to kiss me I straight up said no lol. But anyways, somewhere along the lines, he introduced me to his friend Joe and then proceeded to hook us up. Joe and I hit it off immediately, the connection was immaculate! I am not one to really talk to anyone about my deep rooted emotional issues, so its not as if he had any clue, but he knew that I had a lot of shit bottled up, and he told me he wanted to help me and be there for me in every way. I literally cried when he told me that, mind you this being like the second or third time of us hanging out. so we spent the first month or so greatly, playing video games sharing six packs and just genuinely enjoying each others company...about two month into our relationship we discovered that I was pregnant, and we decided it would be best for everyone involved for us to get an abortion(I already have a son and am only 20 years old and just getting by my self) ever since then, I feel like everything has been down hill. We started arguing a lot, but we still stayed strong. Then the lying and belittling done by him came into play and it just continued to go down hill.

anyway, enough about that.
Justin a few months back told us that he had a new girlfriend(Serena), whom was 8 or so years older than him(shes 31)...low and behold, when he introduced me to her, I discovered I had known Serena for over ten years because she was a very close friend of my old brothers. So, she and I started talking a lot, catching up on old things and life and what not, and we became very close friends very quickly, I looked up to her as almost an older sister in some aspects(going to her for advice and help, someone to talk to).
Then, about a month or so ago, Justin went away to rehab. And whilst Serena Joe and I were hanging out one night, the topic of her and I hooking up came into play somehow. At first it was like a joke, or so I assumed. I had stopped taking my medications(which is NEVER a good thing for me..ever) and I felt as if i was developing feelings for her. I guess because Joe and I constantly argue, never have sex, i feel like hes unattracted to me, and that hes losing interest and stopped, idk I guess our relationship just felt like it lost priority with him. Like i said, I am not one to talk to people about things. I bottle everything up and in the past my coping mechanism were blowing up getting high and then moving on like nothing ever happened. And I had made significant progress in learning to deal with emotions, or at least I was trying very hard.
Anyway, she here Serena is, giving me attention and affection, and making me feel good about myself...I guess I mistook that for developing feelings for her, especially with being off my medications I get very impulsive and irrational. So i expressed to her and joe that I thought I had a "girl crush" on her. At first joe was mad, so I went to her house and took some benzos to try to calm down, I guess I took too much, I dont remember much of that night but it ended up in a suicide attempt which landed me in the psych ward. anywho, joe got over it and accepted it, he got very very comfortable with the idea of her and I hooking up. So, after being stabalized on my medications again and returning home, I didnt feel so much of a "connection" with her anymore. But joe on the otherhand, had seemed to develop feelings for her. She was ALL he talked about when I came home. Serena this, serena that..and so on and so forth. Then casually one night, he was like so are you still interested in hooking up with her? and I was like IDK...but he continued to talk about it and said, you know if you guys were to hook up in front of me, I'm not sure that I could just sit there and watch, if you get what im saying...at the time, i guess i didnt know how to react to that so I was just like yeah i get it..but that bothered me, cuz he doesnt want to ever have sex with me, but suddenly hes got this infattuation with her and wants to have sex, which also affected my self esteem and intensified any feelings of being unattractive to him like times 100. So, the night that we all were going to go pick up Justin from the air port, earlier in that day, serena texted me saying, "think we can squeeze one secret make out session before i return to married life?" and like I had said before, i wasnt really feeling it for her anymore, but I said yes..went to her house a few hours later, i was nervous so i took 2mgs of klonopins, 125 mgs of nuvigil, drank a 4 loko and did a bag of dope with her...then we took a shower together, and things started to heat up. we were being sensual and passionate and started kissing, which then lead to us in her bed having all out sex...I dont think I actually wanted to hook up wiht her, I think i did it out of spite to joe, because I felt like he wanted her, so I was going to get her before him or something? IDK it was a stupid decision and cheating is never right, im just still trying to figure out why i did it.

Anyway, after that I checked my phone and Joe was waiting outside to come in, so we quickly got dressed and swore we'd keep it a secret and not tell either of them...joe comes in and said to me, I really wanna kiss you right now, and then serena chimed in yeah i really wanna kiss her too. so i looked at joe and i said its up to him and he said sure. so she and I kissed in front of him for a short period of time, and then we were off to pick up Justin.

The next day, I get a text message from Justin saying " I'd appreciate it if you didnt hook up with my girlfriend" I was completely taken by surprise by that. so i texted serena asking what was going on. and she said he asked about me and her, and she tried to lie but he could tell so she told him the truth he knows all the details, you should tell joe before he does" I was in a panic. So i quickly texted joe and told him straight up she and I had sex. and all hell broke lose from there. Justin claimed he was completely done with her and honestly I should be dead to joe too. but joe and I talked about it for well over 24 hours and dealt with it..but during that time, I asked justin to come over, so I could tell him my side of the story, and try to help repair their relationship. Those two were really happy together and I felt so terrible for ruining it for them. I told him to blame me, not entirely her, and I told him all the details. how and when it happened, that it was the reason we were late, and that she had also given me dope. apparently she did NOT tell him all the details and that kind of made it worse. and he had also asked me who went down on who first and i told him the truth, she went down on me first. then he went to her house and I got a call a little after, with him saying shes saying that you went down on her first meaning it was your idea, and I heard her screaming and crying in the background "fuck her, idgaf about her, shes such a liar.,.." etc. But they worked things out eventually, and are still together.

Anyway, as one would assume, she and I are not allowed to speak or see each other anymore(and rightfully so), otherwise they both say they will break up with us on the spot.
I had told joe not to talk to her either(because of my prior insecurities about him having feelings for her) and i asked for him not to hang out with her. his response was well i've known justin my whole life and he lives with her so if shes there when i go to see justin theres nothing i can do about it. that kind of really irritated me. Joe does not allow me to talk to ANY guys, and the one time I ask him to avoid talking to this girl, because of the situation that happened, and my insecurities, he cannot respect that.

Last night, he was texting her, apparently asking about justin because justin had not been answering him. which i check joes phone often because of his jealous behavoirs it along the line made me a jealous suspicious person as well. I hadnt seen one text or call to justin... i mean not to say hes lying about trying to get in touch with him, but idk. like i said im suspicious. and when i asked to see the text serena and joe were having, he said i'll just read them to you. normally he just complains and gives me his phone. so that struck me as strange, but i let it go. and expressed once again that I do not wish for him to have contact with her. he says the same thing of course, and tells me im being ridiculous, i'm the one who cheated on him with her, and im being completely unfair. so I said just drop it i dont wanna argue. so we did, and then at 1:30 in the morning, she texted him saying, I need to get out. what are you doing? and all he said back was half asleep with kp...which also struck me as a little strange, like why does he need to tell her that hes with me, as if it was almost code for cant talk now the gf's here. or something. but once again, maybe im just paranoid.

Am i wrong here, with wanting him not to have contact with her? Its like he fights so hard with me just to continue talking to her and hanging out with her almost. its very frustrating and I just dont know if I can be in a relationship where I have to be uncomfortable and suspicious all the time...like thats not fair to me in my opinion. That he can go hang out with two people who were once both of our friends, and i am not even ALLOWED to. which i understand, but why cant he just make this sacrafice for me and respect my wish of him not to talk or see her.
and then I wonder, why would he even want to see the person that I cheated on him with? that just makes no sense to me...

Any opinions or advice are greatly appreciated and thank you in advance if you actually take the time to read all of this...sorry its so long. I just had a lot to get out.
 
Yeah, just start over with new people and better luck next time, shits fucked up.
 
but is he right? am i the one being unfair and ridiculous here? like I know i did him wrong, but idk...im so confused as to what the best way to deal with this is. or where im even going to go from here...
 
You resent you current boyfriend Joe so much, you had sex with Justins girlfriend to spite Joe; without any consideration for Justin.

Justin doesn't want you to hang out with him or his partner, and Joe would rather chill with them than slap your ass and make you bite the pillow.

You seem like a pretty compulsive person, so I can understand why Joe might be suspicious of you. You are suspicious of him for hanging out with those three.

You don't seem to have a lot more to gain from the situation.

PS: Is Serena hot? lol
 
blahhh yeah, theres just so many other factors that im also worried about and such too..so conflicted as whats the best thing for ME in this situation. cuz i really dont want to be uncomfortable arguing paranoid and sexless anymore...
 
You had mentioned before that you guys haven't had sex in months. Was this after the stuff happened with Serena?

TBH it would be really hard for him to stay away from her with Justin being his good friend, but I wouldn't like some girl texting my BF to go out at 1:30am.

It just sounds like the trust is gone for both of you, and that's really hard to recover. You have you reading his phone and he demands you don't talk to guys. Both sides of the story just seem like hell for you guys.
 
either talk to Joe about the state of sexlife and see if he responds positively in words and actions.

If not, well you aren't going to be happy it seems.

we've been together 11 months, we've been through many highs and lows(abortion, lying about drug use,going to rehab, being in a psych ward, feeling mistreated and as if im being belittled by him which severely has affected my self esteem, and the huge lack of sex and constant fighting)

Is that what you signed up for?
 
Definitely a really bad situation. As difficult as it may be, probably the best thing for you would be to break up with him. It just sounds way too stressful, and full of ick to be anything but misery. Why would you want to continue to be miserable, even if it is familiar, and somehow safer than being on your own? Also, constant fighting, and emotional ups and downs are not a good model for your son.

Maybe the best thing would be to just be on your own for a while so you can figure out what you really want and need in a relationship. Lack of trust, cheating just to hurt him, etc are not healthy, along with all the other unhealthy aspects of your relationship. Him belittling you enough to have your self-esteem affected also sounds like he is being emotionally abusive at the very least.

Ugh. You deserve better.
 
None of what you recounted in this post about Serena and your indiscretion matters, not at all -- the only thing that matters, and the only thing I was thinking of while reading your entire story was this:

feeling mistreated and as if im being belittled by him which severely has affected my self esteem, and the huge lack of sex and constant fighting)

If this boy, manchild, unfulfilled human being who berates you to make up for his own self-hatred and inadequacies, says and does things to intentionally make you feel like you are unworthy, less than him, not good enough -- then ditch him. Don't think twice, don't look back. That type of behavior will not get better with time, it will get worse. It is a tactic meant to make you hate yourself so that you feel like Joe is all you have. It is sick, it is scary, it is dangerous. This sounds like freshman year psych bullshit, but he cannot love you when he clearly does not love himself. Be thankful that it was 11 months and not a lifetime; be good to yourself, first and foremost. Best wishes, a bad relationship can taint everything else in your life. Keep your head up.
 
None of what you recounted in this post about Serena and your indiscretion matters, not at all -- the only thing that matters, and the only thing I was thinking of while reading your entire story was this:



If this boy, manchild, unfulfilled human being who berates you to make up for his own self-hatred and inadequacies, says and does things to intentionally make you feel like you are unworthy, less than him, not good enough -- then ditch him. Don't think twice, don't look back. That type of behavior will not get better with time, it will get worse. It is a tactic meant to make you hate yourself so that you feel like Joe is all you have. It is sick, it is scary, it is dangerous. This sounds like freshman year psych bullshit, but he cannot love you when he clearly does not love himself. Be thankful that it was 11 months and not a lifetime; be good to yourself, first and foremost. Best wishes, a bad relationship can taint everything else in your life. Keep your head up.
I completely disagree with your whole post.

There is a lot of unhelpful behavior by many people in Kaitys story and apportioning 'blame' is always going to be subjective and perhaps irrelevant.

Kaity has an issue with her partner and she hasn't resolved it; either by moving on from him or by working it out openly and honestly, together and privately like a couple should.

Instead, she's acted on her relationship frustrations by doing something she wasn't quite yet comfortable with, just to spite her partner. Without regard for the consequences to the relationship of her friend Justin and her brothers friend Selena.

Credit where due, Kaity acknowledges what she did. But the question foremost in her mind is, how dare Joe spend time with these people now that I've cheated on him with one of them. Kaity, you want him to respect your wishes and make a sacrifice of not seeing these people, because YOU cheated?

There is a lot to be learned from this catastrophe, you might have some distance with these friends for a time, but you have an opportunity to walk away a better person if you can think this through and be a bit honest with yourself about it.
 
I understand why you would not agree with my response; what I read into the OP's story was bigger picture than the scenario she recounted. The other details - checking his phone, being possessive and jealous (both her and her boyfriend), making "rules" for each other - all of this stems from something that is more than her cheating with Serena (which, as she tells it, she didn't really want to do it anyways. No reason for me to get into why she did it regardless of her actual desires). If you are in a relationship with someone who makes you feel small then you are in an abusive relationship. I don't know Joe, so I perhaps spoke a bit too hastily, but my visceral reaction to this was for her to get out. And that response is NOT related to any of the cheating issues (which, correct me if I'm wrong, Joe encouraged! but only on his terms of course -- on her terms it's cheating. if he gets to watch, it's, what? OK to cheat?) My response was to a young woman who clearly expressed that her significant other makes her feel "less-than" -- that is an issue that came on before the cheating and unrelated to the event with Serena. And that, to me, is a bigger, longer term issue. If she wants to work it out, then morpher, you're absolutely right -- open, adult communication is a must. honesty and accountability. But a part of that must also include some introspection as to whether Joe is a worthy partner and whether their relationship can be and is worth being salvaged.

also, a trip to the psychiatrist to figure out your med situation might be advisable, Shady. And if you know going off them is always bad, well, then ...
 
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I understand why you would not agree with my response; what I read into the OP's story was bigger picture than the scenario she recounted. The other details - checking his phone, being possessive and jealous (both her and her boyfriend), making "rules" for each other - all of this stems from something that is more than her cheating with Serena (which, as she tells it, she didn't really want to do it anyways. No reason for me to get into why she did it regardless of her actual desires). If you are in a relationship with someone who makes you feel small then you are in an abusive relationship. I don't know Joe, so I perhaps spoke a bit too hastily, but my visceral reaction to this was for her to get out. And that response is NOT related to any of the cheating issues (which, correct me if I'm wrong, Joe encouraged! but only on his terms of course -- on her terms it's cheating. if he gets to watch, it's, what? OK to cheat?) My response was to a young woman who clearly expressed that her significant other makes her feel "less-than" -- that is an issue that came on before the cheating and unrelated to the event with Serena. And that, to me, is a bigger, longer term issue. If she wants to work it out, then morpher, you're absolutely right -- open, adult communication is a must. honesty and accountability. But a part of that must also include some introspection as to whether Joe is a worthy partner and whether their relationship can be and is worth being salvaged.

also, a trip to the psychiatrist to figure out your med situation might be advisable, Shady. And if you know going off them is always bad, well, then ...

Yes, all valid points. Sorry, I didn't mean run down your original post like I did.

Plenty of blame to be shared around here, lets not forget Serena who encouraged it and even poor old Justin who hasn't done a whole lot wrong, well maybe he's been a little naive in not fully understanding his partners sexuality.

I guess what I was driving at is in situations where there is a lot of blame to go around, its very easy to forget all about your own part in the matter and concentrate on the failings of others, because then you don't need to feel so bad. This can be a waste of an opportunity to grow as a person and take something useful away.

As grown men, we can all agree though that it would have been pretty awesome to be a fly on the wall when Kaity and Serena were getting their Katy Perry on. :D
 
Look at it this way: do you want your son to think this is a healthy relationship? As a parent, you are modeling how to act as an adult. Being that "Joe" constantly puts you down, your son might grow up to believe this is okay. If I were you, I'd run, and run fast! Also, I agree with darkdaze as far as this being an abusive relationship. It'll get worse!
 
on him with her, and im being completely unfair. so I said just drop it i dont wanna argue. so we did, and then at 1:30 in the morning, she texted him saying, I need to get out. what are you doing? and all he said back was half asleep with kp...which also struck me as a little strange, like why does he need to tell her that hes with me, as if it was almost code for cant talk now the gf's here. or something. but once again, maybe im just paranoid.

\Any opinions or advice are greatly appreciated and thank you in advance if you actually take the time to read all of this...sorry its so long. I just had a lot to get out.

Since you asked for opinions I am going to give you mine. Your boyfriend is fooling around with Serena. Some chick texts your man at 1 in the morning and saying, "can you hook up or is she there" and he texts her back basically saying, "I can't talk right now, she is here." I mean, come on.

Best of luck to you! Relationships are TOUGH.
 
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Your words/thoughts form together really well, and I wanted compliment you about it.
It's a rare gift in the digital world.
 
Thank you =D
I am not a blogger, but I have always enjoyed writing, wouldn't say a "writer", really. Its just been a hobby.
Your compliment is very much appreciated =]
 
Haha yes, diesel is cool people.
And btw, thank you everyone for all of your input. I'm sorry for not being able to get back to all of you. I recently started college and have been very busy since, and hardly ever get a moment alone(boyfriend is pretty much always here when I am...)
Still am unsure of how I am going to handle this situation. I think I'm just going to let it play out, except maybe distance myself a little and be more aggressive about what my needs and wants are...and see where it goes from there... Also, keeping myself open to other men(people in general) at school, instead of being unfriendly and closed off to people because thats how my boyfriend likes it.
If anyone else has advice, feel free to let me know. I'm always down for others opinions. And, I of course will keep you updated on how this plays out.
Thanks everyone!
 
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