Steroids & sports: IS IT FAIR?

cmpetr2k

cmpetr2k

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I think athletes who use performance-enhancing drugs of any kind are CHEATERS. Plain and simple. In my opinion the purpose of competition is to determine who is the best at a particular skill based on training and hard work. NOT how many good drugs you can use to trick your body into doing more than it normaly could without the drugs. If I had my way Arod and anyone else caught using these "cheater drugs" would be banned from their sport permanently with their contracts cut short accordingly. Its not fair to the people who work their asses off and dedicate their lives to be the best they can be just so some jack-ass with a needle in his ass can come along and out perform because he's doped up.

WHAT DO YOU THINK?
 
I think it's only cheating in that these athletes agreed to not use PEDs as part of the rules.

On the other hand, if we've learned anything in the past 2 decades, tons of athletes still use them. There's no way of telling if it's a majority of players. If everyone was using them and they were open about it, they wouldn't be considered cheating.

I don't get why our culture seems to hold athletes to some stupid double-standard and treat steroids as taboo. Everyone uses a PED whether they want to acknowledge it or not. Anti-depressant? PED. Adderall? PED. Anti-Anxiety? PED. Sleeping pills? PED. Caffeine? PED. People use a plethora of substances just to get through their daily routine and then they have the audacity to shame an elite athlete who is under the constant pressure of feeling like you have to perform at peak performance all the time because millions of people watch and analyze your every move? Fuck. I can't judge A-Rod, because if you gave me PEDs and took A-Rod off them, he'd still whup my ass Every. Single. Time.

Unless you are a non-drug using professional athlete, part of the commission that regulates rules for an athletic league, or one of the coaches of these players, I don't believe you get to weigh judgment on these players. Few people know what it's like to constantly be under the public microscope and feel like you have to perform at that level every time. I think it's easy to say that those guys are "cheaters" from an outsider's view until you're experiencing what they do.
 
Taking medications for depression or other diseases Is one thing. And when I get to the office and have a cup of coffee, I don't drink it so I can out-perform or gain some sort of edge over the people I work with. I just wanna wake up a little. Comparing performance-enhancing drugs used by athletes for the purpose of un-natural performance, to medications used to treat illnesses, with all do respect, sounds absolutely rediculouse to me. And as far as not knowing what these players have to go through, let's not forget that the majority of athletes don't use PED'S. They go through the same stuff the players who do, and do just fine without the PED'S AND DON'T NEED TO CHEAT to make through their athletic careers. Now these players are under the public microscope because that's part of their job! And they knew it would be when they signed up and make a pretty good living doing it. That's absolutely no excuse for using drugs to artificially enhance their performance, making all of their natural abilities obsolete while the majority of athletes work their butts off to better themselves naturally. Arod and the rest of the PED athletes should be ashamed of themselves and FIRED!
 
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cmpetr2k said:
Taking medications for depression or other diseases Is one thing. And when I get to the office and have a cup of coffee, I don't drink it so I can out-perform or gain some sort of edge over the people I work with. I just wanna wake up a little. Comparing performance-enhancing drugs used by athletes for the purpose of un-natural performance, to medications used to treat illnesses, with all do respect, sounds absolutely rediculouse to me. And as far as not knowing what these players have to go through, let's not forget that the majority of athletes don't use PED'S
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There are a lot of people on medications for things they simply do not need. Western Culture's "cure" for everything is to fix the disease, not prevent it. Instead of asking "why can't you fall asleep at night?" we give the individual a pill that makes them pass out. When I had to take the GMAT to get into grad school, it was on my mind that the other people taking the test may have been able to study on adderall/ritalin. Those drugs run rampant on college campuses and I know of plenty of people who took them, even without a prescription. Those people were gaining an unfair advantage. Who knows? Perhaps they scored higher on me on a standardized test which afforded them a better grad school and eventually a better salary? But for some reason nobody gives a shit about that. Anytime someone thinks they have a psychological problem, they throw money at their psychiatrist and get pills like candy.

And I really don't know where you're getting your information on how many professional athletes are taking drugs. If we learned anything from Jose Canseco, there are a lot of athletes on drugs who have become very creative at beating those tests. Look at the 60 Minutes interview with Lance Armstrong's old teammate. He said you could literally draw a line between the times of blood-dopers and the non-blood dopers in the Tour du France because of the huge time difference in completion.
 
>WHAT DO YOU THINK?


I think you are extremely misinformed.

they aren't cheating, they are simply levelling the playing field.

EVERYBODY uses. It's really that pervasive. At the top level of any profitable spectator sport you will find truckloads of PEDs, the people who do not use are a tiny mnority. Shit you don't even need to get to the top level, you will find so much steroid use at amateur levels of sports its fucking mind blowing.

there is no incentive not to use.

testing is expensive and a joke

i tell you what, if you can give me a plausible, real reason for anyone NOT to use, i'll entertain the idea that maybe there are still a fair amount clean athletes today.

I can give millions of dollars worth of incentive to use. Millions of adoring fans worth of incentive to use, with next to no consequences, unless some freak accident somehow exposes your routine to an uneducated, ravenous public.

Please dont start with the for the love of the game horseshit. You are talking about real people, trying to make real livings, its sickening and unfair to hold them to a standard nobody else has to follow. Do you have to go to work and uphold the holy values of your cubicle? Stay away from coffee so you dont get too much work done and make your coworkers look bad? pass coffee tests lest an angry mob descend upon you and shred your life's work?

OH HE DRANK COFFEE, HIS WORK DOESNT COUNT LETS PUT AN ASTERISK BY HIS NAME FOREVERMOAR

Why weren't you posting the horseshit post about the use of whey protein or something like that.

Nothing is lost with PED use, and so much is gained. It's just a tool, just like whey. It's not a cheat code, you are still watching supreme athletes compete. Just accept the fact that BOTH competitors are very likely on some sort of hormonal supplement to help them perform better.
 
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I think that it would be fair if they made divisions. One for natural and one for enhanced.

It is cheating if you consider the recklessness of some athletes who use. They might accidentally expose other athletes to the substance they are on through skin to skin contact or skin to object. Almost all substances can be excreted onto your skin into your oils. In this way only should it be considered cheating.
 
Ok yellowbh, I think you make a good point. Two leagues. An interesting idea. I can't think of any reason that would be unfair. I think the PED users would likely suffer physical and mental consequences from doping, but as long as they keep to their PED league, and remain honest about their use, I guess its up to them if they wish to take the risks. Nice and fair. I like it! Good idea YBH.
 
Gee onetwonine, your beginning to make me think you play or manage one of these pro athlete organizations! After all, how else could you possibly know that most of these athletes use PED's! (You couldn't). Its amazing though how easily peoples facts are often 'edited' by the opinions of others on the radio, tv, etc., and even their own opinions not based on facts. But since you obviously work first hand with all these athletes, your facts are quite sound, right?
 
I agree but let me explain why I feel athletes take steroids and other performance enhancing drugs;

When you know and I mean know that the people finishing in front of you are on gear then it becomes very difficult to say no, let me take a certain well known British sprinter as an example , he was caught, fair and square and banned, now, this guy didnt win every race while on gear, far from it, so is anyone in their right mind trying to tell me that the guys in front of him were clean ?, I wasn't born yesterday.

This doesnt make it right, or fair, and in an ideal world , I agree, none of them would take performance enhancers, however, as long as the stakes are high enough they are, unfortunately I feel, here to stay. When an athlete is caught, most people say 'well done catching another cheat' I tend to think, 'well done, but its only the tip of the iceberg' for every one you catch, there are 100 who slip through the net and that is no exaeggeration.

WADA are fighting a noble cause but it is a futile one at that, it is impossible to test every athlete at any time, the stakes are so high they are always a step ahead, unfair I agree on those who chose not to go down that road.
 
Steroids are fair in sports because EVERYONE is on them. Sports are entertaining because of steroids. Look at a game of football or baseball from 1940 and compare it to a game of football or baseball from today.
 
That seems to be the general belief from everyone - that all the athletes are doing it. That's news to me. I must say I'm still having a hard time accepting that PED's are so common in sports. On the other hand, I have to admit its possible. Guess I'll continue to keep an open mind...
 
They are, for a fun exercise you can try plotting the discovery of various performance enhancing drugs and progression of records in sports. You can even include improvement's in detection to paint an even more interesting picture.
 
cmpetr2k said:
Gee onetwonine, your beginning to make me think you play or manage one of these pro athlete organizations! After all, how else could you possibly know that most of these athletes use PED's! (You couldn't). Its amazing though how easily peoples facts are often 'edited' by the opinions of others on the radio, tv, etc., and even their own opinions not based on facts. But since you obviously work first hand with all these athletes, your facts are quite sound, right?
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Anybody who has made it to any half serious level of competition begins to see exactly how much doping is involved in sport. I have done so in two different sports.

Again.

Two facts.

1. PEDs (lack of a better term) work, and they work well
2. Testing might as well be non existant

GIVE ME AN HONEST REALISTIC INCENTIVE NOT TO USE OR DONT BOTHER REPLYING.

There isn't one.

It's simple logic. All your favorite athletes, pro, Olympic (definitely olympic) more than likely are either currently on, or were on a short time ago.

I'm sorry to have shattered your dreams so.
 
>I'm sorry to have shattered your dreams so.
Why would it even shatter his dreams. Even with no PEDs in sports it's still highly unlikely that you have the right genetics, upbringing, ... to win an olympic gold medal. A little PEDs don't really change much. It's like moving the moon 10% further from the Earth and someone saying that shattered his dreams of one day walking on it.
 
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>I'm sorry to have shattered your dreams so.
Why would it even shatter his dreams. Even with no PEDs in sports it's still highly unlikely that you have the right genetics, upbringing, ... to win an olympic gold medal. A little PEDs don't really change much. It's like moving the moon 10% further from the Earth and someone saying that shattered his dreams of one day walking on it.
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Don't recall saying I'm shattering his dreams of playing professionally.

I meant I'm shattering his dreams of a world without massive PED use in sports. And unicorns and fairies or whatever else he probably believes in too.
 
Sorry I meant the dream some people have that they could be world class athletes if only it weren't for PEDs.
 
crazycatman said:
Sorry I meant the dream some people have that they could be world class athletes if only it weren't for PEDs.
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Lyl yes. All those kids picked before him in gym class mustve been mainlining EPO and dropping halo by the truckload.

You show those cheating bastard OP. You show them all.
 
Reasons why I accecpt steroids in sport -

1.I'd rather see a man run 100m in 4.3 seconds than 12 seconds...
2.Every single elite olympic athlete is on gear, albeit either very short acting gear to clear system before detection or undetectable new gear...
3. The man in front is most certainly on gear.
4.Its not as harmful as made out to be.
5. Is it wrong for people to be genetically better than others? E.g jamacian people better sprinters than japanese naturally, that's not particalularyly fair that japanese have to ride on shit genetics sompared to the black guy with 2x testosterone levels natty.
6. I'm really tired I'm going to bed
 
Black guys have more fast twitch muscle not necessarily more test.

Oriental people do seem to me to have lost the genetic lottery more often than not though. That may be taken as offensive sorry.

I'd love to know what the Chinese national weightlifting team runs. Must be bonkers.
 
Ever heard of "roid-rage"? Stunting of growth? Certain cancers caused by roids? Abnormal and permanent bodily functions? If you haven't, perhaps you should do a little research about steroids.....
 
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