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Hmmm... well perhaps the hatred you see expressed can also be explained by antagonism between different social groups?

There's also the possibility that the people who do stop by to post ridiculous threads like that have had negative experiences with individuals using steroids; and since even short-term, very moderate use is associated with a change in certain features of the personality during the time of use, I think that's a real possibility.

Add to the fact that most people tend not to use steroids (steroids require a lot of work to be useful---if you could pop a pill, party, and wake up the next morning with bigger muscles, I imagine use would increase), and you get a conjunction of negative experiences with OTHER people using, and no experiences themselves using, which adds to the alien, "other," aspect of steroids, making it all the easier to associate their use, and people who use them, with a negative image.

I'm not sure I agree though that fewer young men in our culture understand steroid use than do young men of previous generations. Given the increased pressure on body image, I'd be willing to bet that young men of the current generations are actually more tempted. I attended high school not all THAT long ago, and steroids were certainly easily available, and were certainly used by a fair number of individuals. Most who did used them on a strictly short-term basis, but there were a few who just couldn't put it down. I visit the steroid forum here infrequently, but I do recall a question there by a 17 year old baseball player asking about steroid use.* I also recall reading a fair number of questions by clearly young and inexperienced posters. I'd bet, unless law enforcement and deterrent education has been particularly effective, usage has increased. Just a guess on my part, though. If anyone has numbers, please post them.

*I think nearly everyone discouraged him from doing so, but I think the more frequent posters in that forum, those who are "staying current" on the issue of steroid use, could slam inquiries like that a little harder. By that I don't mean refuse to give information, but I do mean that, since we all agree that a kid that age should NOT be using, the discouragement should be crystal clear and fully explained. Someone that age is all the more likely simply to be looking for answers he likes, and to ignore answers he doesn't like. The kind of discouragement I'm talking about, from posters with whom he would associate a lot of authority on the matter, would be useful in cutting through the fog I think.
 
^that brings up another good point. Whereas no (recreational) drug user would actively discourage use of their DOC (except in a kinda- "you don't wanna get hooked on that stuff" way) a lot of steroid users will actively discourage a lot of users (as they don't have the required level of skill, motivation, knowledge, etc). This can galvenise the thought in new users head and they can develop a "why not me" attitude.

As for the understanding use I agree with BOTH Heuristic and sunyata. There is a lot of pressure on image nowadays which I believe leads to widespread improper use by teenagers. The proper use (in order to increase gains over a short/medium length of time by increasing protein synthesis) in sporting/athletic situations has lost a following due to the more sedate nature of our society.

There is a lot of false informations and misconceptions when it comes to steroid use. I'd say more so than with any other recreational drug.
 
^ I agree with just about everything you said, and I hadn't thought about the idea that active discouragement might fuel some resentment as well. I suppose there might an exclusivity aspect to steroid use that some find negative.

Also agree regarding the amount of false information and misconceptions. There's little good research in this area. There are some benefits, and adverse side effects, that are well substantiated, but we do need more research.

My only reservation is the idea that the use of steroids for athletic competition is a proper use. Is that what you meant to say?
 
I know people that turn into arseholes on cocaine. Doesn't mean I have to condemn cocaine....

If I see someone on BL actually recommending cocaine to someone who hasn't used it before, I'd most definitely speak out against that, the same way I have against steroids.

Recommending to non-users the drugs whose harm we're trying to reduce isn't exactly harm-reduction now, is it?
 
There is a lot of false informations and misconceptions when it comes to steroid use. I'd say more so than with any other recreational drug.
definitely. One reason I think this is so is because the proper use of these drugs is still under development. We keep getting better and better PCTs. The modern PCT is an amazing thing...it really does speed up recovery and help the user retain gains and prevent sides. What they were doing 30 years ago is craziness compared to what people are doing today with their bodies. Its much much safer.

Add to that the selection of steroids available today. they are some truly horrendous ones (I'm thinking the prohormones here), but there are also some GREAT ones that don't even aromatize into estrogen (ie primobolan). They are incredibly safe side effect-wise.
 
I think that Heuristic is spot on with a sociological analysis of 'our' dismissal of steroid use.
My last post was more a series of musings about whether our gut reactions can stand scrutiny.

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If I see someone on BL actually recommending cocaine to someone who hasn't used it before, I'd most definitely speak out against that, the same way I have against steroids.

Recommending to non-users the drugs whose harm we're trying to reduce isn't exactly harm-reduction now, is it?

I agree- I would never actively recomend any drug. It was more active condemnation of any drug that I was trying to work against. There are some terrible drugs and situations but I'd never condemn or critisise for use. (I'm thinking here most of all about petrol/inhalent sniffers)
 
My only reservation is the idea that the use of steroids for athletic competition is a proper use. Is that what you meant to say?

I meant for athletic acheivement. As soon as you enter a competition though you have to respect the competition. I WOULD say that steroid use in sports (where it is actively banned) is immoral. However I'd much rather that steroid use in sport was allowed so we can see PROPERLY how well a human body can develop.
 
I would certainly active suggest testosterone supplementation for a person whose goal is to put on weight and who suffers from low testosterone levels.
 
I would certainly active suggest testosterone supplementation for a person whose goal is to put on weight and who suffers from low testosterone levels.

This is where the wording becomes interesting.

What does "low" mean?

Does it mean lower than the "normal" range? The "normal" range is soemthign like 240 to 950, from what I was told and read. That seems to be a rather broad range. ANd within that range, my doctor said most men are between 400 and 500.

So, would someone with a Testosterone level of 350 be "low?" even though it falls within the supposed normal range?
 
I dont recommend somebody run bodybuilding cycles if they have low testosterone unless they are already on HRT. Otherwise they won't retain gains.

Low means low enough to cause harm to one's life. There is not a number you can assign to that - its an individual case by case issue.
 
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