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Starting methadone maintenance

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Bluelighter
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So I've been waiting a few weeks to get into the methadone clinic.after looking into other options like suboxone but all the doctors that prescribe it around my area are all full and others it cost too much money for me at the moment.i am not working right now.so Friday I'm going in for my physical and to get my first dose.im wondering what they do at the physical besides blood work and a UA?
And also I'm curious about how much I will be started on? I have a pretty big opiate tolerance.ive been addicted to prescription opiates for over 3 years and have been snorting heroin for a little over a year.not sure if I'm making any sense I've never been the sharpest tool in the shed lol
 
haha whoops I put this into sober living since I thought it should go there? Good luck with the methadone. I have never used it; but I know people who it has worked for.
 
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Have you tried to detox the heroin first? I would certainly give this a real try before you commit to the methadone. The acute detox of heroin lasts about six or seven days while the acute detox off methadone last MUCH longer. Having kicked both I would have rather have kicked heroin three times in a row instead of methadone once. So I guess if your considering getting on methadone to try and avoid the physical withdrawals of your dependence then I would certainly try to detox the heroin first. Knowing what I know I would try until I made it. If your getting on maintenance because you want some stability in addiction in order to tackle the struggle is a better reason, but the immense struggle of eventually getting off the methadone should be considered.

if you want please share how much heroin your using daily as it can help people give you the best advice.

Here is some really good information about methadone.

Methadone side effects, separating fact and fiction.

Low vitamin d status of patients in methadone maintenance treatment.

Methadone

Neuropathic Pain: Causes, Management and Understanding

Hypogonadism and Low Testosterone Levels as a Side Effect of Methadone and Buprenorphine

Opioid-Induced Endocrinopathy

Here are some good medications that may help you kick the H.

medications for acute opiate detox

The medications I would explore the use of for detox would be:
>Clonidine< DOSED EVER FOUR HOURS..

one of either
>NEURONTIN< >HERE< >HERE< >here<
OR >Lyrica<
OR >phenibut<

>A BENZO BUT JUST AT NIGHT<
>a nsaid<
>melatonin<
tylenol
Senokot S is a stool softener and laxative. If you do not want the laxative you can go for strait stool softenerDioctyl sodium sulfosuccinate.

(Opi Withdrawal) what is the best comfort meds for opiate w/d?

Your Personal Opiate Withdrawal Arsenal

Congratulations on making the hard decision to begin your recovery. :)
 
My advice would be don't bother unless you absolutely require something to stabilise your life, it's horrible shit that's very hard to get off and often makes people worse. That said it does work for some people, but I regretted it personally. Can't really say how much you will be started on it depends on the size of your habit and the doctor. As a general rule you will be given as much as you need to feel OK though (after some adjustment at the start) otherwise it is pretty pointless them getting you on the program.
 
Methadone has absolutely saved my life. My only regret is that I didn't get on it sooner. The induction t my clinic consisted of an interview with many questions related to your life and drug use followed by a UA. The blood work was done off site but it was only a test for STDS I think. All in all it took like 3 hours if I remember right. Well worth it though.

My best advice about the clinic is to keep your dose low and don't chase the high. But on the other hand make sure you get to a high enough dose to where you are comfortable and have zero cravings. I almost quit the clinic after a month because my dose was too low and I was suffering but once I got to around 100mgs I completely lost all desire to do heroin. Its a fucking miracle in my life.
 
Yes I've tried to detox in a hospital setting a couple times.also tried with suboxen that I bought from friends.also tried the Thomas recipe,than went the clonidine and other medication routes.guess I just don't have the willpower to stay off any opiate/opioid.ive read a lot of bad things about methadone but have also read a lot of good.really appreciate the concern and your honesty I really do.but for me personally I think it's going to be the best choice for myself.my addiction made me lose everything from material items to friends and family and thus far I've been lucky to stay out of jail and lucky I haven't overdosed.i don't do anything anymore besides look for that next fix I don't work I don't leave the house unless I'm grabbing something.ive stole from the love of my life and have lied to her about my using.and I almost lost her and my kids because of it.i really want to get clean and I know that trading one drug for another probably isn't the smartest choice but I'm pretty much out of options and definitely can't afford it anymore
 
And I'm using about a bundle a day.and if I'm lucky and have more money or something to pawn or trade or even a front I'll use more than that
 
I think your making a good call for whatever that's worth. My family was pissed at me when I started on the clinic. 6 months later my mom asked for my counselors name so she could send him a Christmas card to the clinic LOL. The proof is in the results.
 
I understand what ya mean captain! And I hope it works for me like it has you crimson.my doctor thinks it is a good idea I've been to her office so many times crying and fed up with this lifestyle.she has been a lot of help and has done everything she can to help me out from prescriptions to therapy.so yeah I've tried a lot of things and haven't had much luck.i always end up finding some excuse to use.ive self medicated with it for so many years that I just don't know what being sober feels like anymore and I don't even remember being how it feels to be happy anymore....just sick and tired of being literally sick and tired and I know a lot of you can relate and that's why I love this website so much.alot of honest and caring people and it's been definitely a lot of help and I thank you all!
 
I've been going to the clinic now for about 9 days, and I have to say that I was very reluctant to go, based on large part because of what was reported here on bluelight..... I have to say though, that the program has been very beneficial in my life so far. . I've recieved top notch medical examinations, as well as visits with a doctor who specializes in caring for people basically living this sort of lifestyle, and I also meet with a councilor who is trained in dealing with degenerates such as myself....

i've heard horror stories about methadone causing horrible withdrawals, about it getting into your bones, about it causing people to be drowsy and basically numbing them off to the whole world. ... THe way I see it , is by keeping my dose low, and taking it along side my RX adderall ; I avoid the pitfuls associated with repeated methamphetamine and heroin abuse....i save a ton of money, I am stable, i have a community of fellow addicts who can help guide my treatment with years of advice in battling their own demons. Its basically government dispensed heroin alternative , to anyone who feels serious about wanting opiates. Its a pretty decent opioid so far to. It gives me a decent buzz for about 4 hours after i have taken it.... I can see why some people would feel "victimized" by the methadone system, but thats on them, if they wanted to better themselves , anyone in the methadone program can decrease their dosage as they see fit (which supposedly is virtually painless if you decrease your dosage slow enough) and they also have the option to switch to daily subutex maintenance, which would be a good route if you wanted to adjust to being on bupe before deciding to kick. I have kicked bupe before and it was much easier than kicking a pretty decent heroin addiction.
 
OP I would consider trying to keep your dose at or under 40 mgpd. As motiv states many people initially get high which makes many people increase thier dose to try and get there as tollerance increases. Levels higher then 40mgpd are associated with increased chance of complications.

Please have your vitamin d levels cheched a few times a year and also testosterone levels if you are a male.
 
I agree, methadone was the single most important thing I've done for my recovery. After three years of diligently working at bettering myself regarding my opioid use, a number of inpatient and intensive outpatient treatments, 18 months of buprenorphine replacement therapy, self help groups, theraputic communities, psychotherapy, psychiatric medication, and pretty much anything else you could think of that is geared towards recovery, I just wish I'd done methadone earlier on my life. It would have saved so much difficulty, heartache and trauma for both me and my loved ones.

When I started methadone I had been IMing heroin and morphine maybe five days out of the week. Id been using potent opioids for about nine years in total. The dose I was using was on averaged out to 1g morphine (!!!), and between 0.5g and 3g of the same per day. I was more or less functional, but my life revolved around my use and it was preventing me from accomplishing my goals.

I stopped using for three days before going to my induction appointment (the first one I had there after speaking with the clinic manager), and the fourth day was my first trip and visit there when I started the treatment. I called on a Saturday to set it up, and thankfully was able to schedule my intake appointment for the following Monday morning. I was lucky to find an absolutely top notch, outstanding clinic, at least as far as methadone clinics go... Small place, and very dedicated to their patients overall. Most other clinics I've visited, worked at, volunteered for or otherwise been to or heard of are very different and much larger. Some of them are much more strict, often arbitrarily so, and the larger ones (like with 500 patients as opposed to mind with like 150) do not give their clients nearly as much personalized support, even with as little support we actually do end up getting their.

At my clinic they started me off at 30mg of methadone, had me wait 30 minutes and then gave me another 10mg. So I started off at 40mg. Most people at my clinic have told me they started at 20+10=30mg. I then went up to 90mg over the course of maybe one to two months. Over the next year I dropped down to 20mg, which is where I am now. I plan to stay here indefinitely until I'm ready to begin getting ready to finish the treatment. Pretty much every dose I've been given has held me, but once I hit 65mg I was good. Since I began dropping my dose I've been concerned about the methadone losing its glow. But this is an extremely strong medication and that hasn't happened. My current dose of 20mg still makes me feel awesome.

Overall I feel much better here, I'm more functional and have way more energy and focus. It isn't perfect, but their are far fewer side effects at this much lower dose than at the 90mg I was once at, and I'm much happier overall with it. The added security of knowing that I'm close enough to a dose where I won't go through too much hell if I were to get cutoff somehow, god forbid, which makes me feel a little more secure with my liquid handcuffs.

The biggest downside for me, especially after almost two years, is being geographically tied to the clinic. It's really hard on me not just being able to travel, whether for work or pleasure. Even just getting take homes to go on a legit retreat for my vipassana meditation practice is a PITA. They are fairly reasonable given the constraints inherent to their system here in the US, but it has become counter productive. Although I've successfully lowered my doses to a point where I could easily, and relatively painlessly, come off my medication now, but I really want to stay I on. Scratch that, I really need to stay on it.

Coming to terms with the reality that I love opioids and that they are important to me, and an important part of my life, has been one of the most important things I've done for myself in my recovery. It was the first step in really getting honest and true to myself, beginning me on the path of - for me certainly - utmost important. That path being one focused on authenticity and doing what I need to do for myself as an individual given who I am and my particular needs and personal skills - and challanges.

I'm not ready to live my life without taking opioids, and I refuse to put myself in the legally, socially and professionally awkward situation of being dependent on illicit opioids again. And my family is super supportive considering how much of an improvement they see in me and how much happier and more successful in life I am. The only reason I didn't start methadone sooner in my recovery as I had wanted is because I saw a fascist AA abstinence only therapist freak who conned and manipulated the he'll out of me and my family.

Good luck OP! I sincerely hope you find the success you so desperately deserve. Once you get inducted, I strongly suggest modifying your dose so that you are getting enough to deal with cravings and feel satisfied with it so you can start focusing on other, more important aspects of your life and recovery. That said, I don't think most people really need to stay on higher doses for longer periods of time (like over a year or two). Some do, but the vast majority really don't.

Even if you find you feel better off at higher dosages (80mg+), please try working your way down after a reasonable time has passed that's allowed you to begin to really stabilize your situation. Try and work down to at most 40mg, because it's a dose with much, much fewer side effects and much easier to manage overall. Plus, when the time comes to come off your methadone, it will make doing so much, much easier for you as opposed to if you attempted to come off 100mg after a number of years there. Coming off 40mg, or in my case 20mg, will be much easier to do if you stay on it for any longer period of time. Plus the side effects of a dose above 60mg get increasingly significant for the vast majority of people - again I'm waaay more functional, have more energy and can think more clearly at 20mg than at 60-90mg, and 90mg isn't even "that" high compared to many people's dose.

What part of the world are you in? Sounds like a methadone maintenance program would do you a lot of good given your circumstances.
 
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I live in the north east u.s in Connecticut.when and if I do not feel comfortable at a dose.what do I do just tell the dr?
 
Generally you will let the dosing nurse (the person who gives you your dose) know that it isn't holding you and you want to increase it. Normally they'll go up 5-10mg at a time. You generally don't have to go through the doctor yourself - the nurse will call the doctor and he'll authorize it through her. Different clinics do things differently, but in the US that seems to be the norm. Some places are more stingy about increasing your dose, others more liberal about it. Generally it's not a problem until you get to around 100-120mg where they will order QT tests or a physical or something to make sure you're tolerating the higher doses.
 
I recently detoxed off methadone. I had been on it about 2 1/2 years. Before methadone, it was pills & then Heroin.. I'd suggest you keep your dose as low as you can and to try not to stay on it as long as I did. I tapered slowly from 70mg down to 2 or 3mg (I can't remember which) and the withdrawals lasted well over a month and then I had PAWS for what felt like forever.

I'd like to say I wish I'd detoxed off heroin but I wasn't in the right state of mind back then. Methadone did stop the cravings - I'll give it that. But it did get tiring to go to the clinic everyday. I did work my way to a week of take homes but if you stay long enough to earn that, it's probably past time to detox if you ever want to be free of drugs.

Good luck & be careful. Like everyone else has said, don't chase the high. You won't like where it takes you if you do.
 
Yeah so I started today,had the physical it was nothing but a tuberculosis test,blood test for hep and HIV etc.then I was told I would be started at 30mg for 3 days then up to 40 if I needed to.i feel OK I don't feel sick nor am I having any cravings atm.i was real surprised how little of a amount of liquid it was and had bad it tasted lol.so I got there at 7 a.m and got dosed by 8:40 waited 15 minutes to see how I reacted to the methadone.i was sweating bullets when I first dosed but not anymore.real surprised how much energy I actually have!
 
Yea, my first dose went really well too. I'm glad the process was relatively painlessly for you. Took me like four hours which is apparently normal for my clinic to get everything organized that first day with paperwork and everything. But sixty minutes after dosing I was feeling way better.

Word to the wise - that foul taste doesn't get any better ;)
 
I think it took me a couple months to go down from 10 to 2mg. 70mg down to 25 was easy- then pretty uncomfortable at 10 so I went very slow. Then I stayed at 2 or 3 for at least a month and a half- maybe longer because I was scared to quit. I knew once I did I wouldn't let myself take any & I didn't. But it was unbelievably hard quitting that tiny dose.
 
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