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SSRI danger warning

TheTripDoctor

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OK guys, recently we've seen many people including a mod go through withdrawl much worse than heroin withdrawl (for you popularists), no not some horrible fun illegal drug, im talking about......
THE SSRIS!
these you know well they are used for depression more often than water is used for thirst, and its wrong flat out. Whats even worse is they hardly help a lot of people, and even those who they do help have gone through probably the worst sick days of there drug use years, including some severe reactions that kept a few people from even leaving bed much less there house to go to work, and its not worth this reaction just to feel a LITTLE better.
I am asking (not telling) that noone here start using them if you havent already, not just because i want to decide your life for you since i AM after all a dictator
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, but because contrary to most illegal drugs, they are FAR worse than almost every drug we deal with here, and this is one case where i can honestly say that you WILL regret taking them once you stop, you may be able to wean off but even so......
These drugs have NOT been studied for there actual effect on the brain at ALL, they were studied to make sure they didnt kill you, didnt cause your immune system to lower and make you contract pigmy diesase, and didnt severely damage anything on a direct "when taken" basis.
We simply do NOT know anything about what these chemicals do to your brain , and as anyone with a brain can see, they make shitloads of money for companys, and therefor one can assume that they were pushed through trials to make money quicker and that pushing probably included covering up anything bad that was found.
One thing we do know is that of the reports we have from people who got severe negative reactions after stoping the therapy on them, none were just one specific compound, and the reports cover EVERY ssri available, including wellbutrin (seizures while on it, severe reaction off of it), prozac, zoloft, celexa, paxil (extreem reaction) and most any other approved in the us. You can try them if you like but we now have a warning and some reports from people that tell us these things are HORRIBLY bad for you, and arent even very helpfull in the first place to a lot of people.
If you are depressed, i would suggest you not tell your doctor because they WILL NOT make sure you feel better, they will put you on some bullshit med that we now know the danger of, and they will swear up and down that if its not working you just need more or you need a stronger one, also bullshit.
I suggest that you find a weak opiate and take a very small dose, not even enough to really kill pain and definately not enough to get high, and take that about every 6 hours while your awake, i can guarantee that you will feel instantly better, no you arent teetering on addiction any more than you were teetering on addiction to SSRIS, your just addicted to a way more effective, safer substance by far.
You wouldnt even be addicted really its very hard to get an addiction taking that small a dose. You MIGHT become dependant after a while, meaning you would need to not just stop all of a sudden , but you CAN wean off of an opiate and have no damage, and opiate withdrawl is also lighter and easier to deal with than ssri withdrawl, so weigh the benifits and risks of both and youll come to the same conclusion.
I dont want to seem like im telling you what to do, but i do know quite a bit about the whole situation and a LOT about brain chemistry and i can say this shit scares me more than even alcohol and tobacco, so any of you who know me understand
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For the rest of you, i know some of you know me and trust that i wouldnt want anyone to be hurt, i wouldnt write something like this if i wasnt concerned about a large amount of people that are largely unaware, so be carefull guys.
Later guys
~Steve
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~The Recreational Pharmacist
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/me agrees with the Trip Doctor... yeah I was on Wellbutrin and Buspar and it completely made me go nuts - it screwed my sleep cycle up, lowered my appetite and had me talking to myself in places like elevators (where there are people I work with)...---------->Down with SSRI's
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*TECHNICALLY* Wellbutrin isn't an SSRI, but whatever.... the idea is the same ...
First off, these drugs are being mis-prescribed... doctors are scripting SSRI meds for everything from sleep disorders to pain - these medications are NOT the magic "fix all" doctors seem to think they are... if you are a well adjusted kid but can't sleep, then shit, go for 15mg Restoril rather then 20mg Prozac...
Secodly, doctors don't seem to be managing their patients properly - NO MENTION was given that the withdrawal would be REALLY BAD... so yer doc needs to realize it's a little more involved then throwing you a script with 5 refills ..
Fuck it, it's a pointless arguement, these drugs are not going anywhere... we can only hope it gets easier to get good dope...
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Of course there are other antidepressants that are not SSRI's. I was on a low dose of antidepressants and had no withdrawl symptoms. Dangerous to ask people not to tell a doctor if they really have problems. Get a doctors opinion, but be aware that you always have different options.
Some people might not tell their doctor about the severity of their withdrawl symptoms when they have had SSRI's. It would be good to let your doctor know how bad it was. He may ingnore what you say, or he may think twice before prescribing it to the next person.
 
Its an anti-depressant jungle out there!
Now that we have so many drugs available wich to choose from?
I think much better test needs to be developed to diagnose people with mental disorders to exactly pinpoint where their chemistry screws up and what would be the appropiate medicine, also taking the probabillity of bad sideeffects for this individual person in account.
I.e. medical testing of spinal fluid or making brainscans while standard procedure (now only for heavy psychotic people)
Also give this people a very large and elobarate questionaire and have computer expert systems aid in finding the syndrome/medicine that goes with these behaviours
You know what, maybe I come up with an expert Java applet : "What drugs do i need?"
Until this time goe with Doctor Trip and try to survive with low amounts of opiates...
 
One thing i want everyone to ask themself and other people, If your problem wasnt based on serotonin being low, would something that makes serotonin increase help at all? the ansswer is it would make you feel better, but its not going at the actual problem just covering it up, if you had endorphin deficiency, you wouldnt get a lot from serotonin, but take one small dose of opiates and your life would be completely turned around, weird that EVERY antidepressant works on serotonin when less than half of people who are depressed have deficient serotonin systems, were just ignoring it because they might help a slight bit and there for they work in the companys eyes.
We need to have a comprehensive medical system overhaul and have a good look at what docs are prescribing ssris for nowadays, i mean come on, prozac WILL NOT kill fucking pain, nor will it help you sleep reliably, i cant even say i would feel better taking it but i dont need it anyway i use opiates for pain in the first place (prescribed).
I get the added benifit of having constant endorphin stimulation which has helped me actually improve in health since i feel so good about life and who i am, i used to be very depressed until i started smoking weed , and like ssris, it wasnt going at the problem just covering it although it saved my life, and now i have endorphins for the pain i have and it works PERFECT for the depression too.
From what i know, there are many pathways that can be deficient that could cause depression, theres the dopamine system, serotonin, norepinephrine, endorphin, cannabinoid, bz or gaba, histamine, cholinergic and a few more, most could cause you to be depressed and currently in the us there are only medicines to treat serotonin and SOME have NE effects, but NONE Of the others are touched, and the one that matters the most is the endorphin receptors, they directly cause euphoria unlike speed and coke, as those 2 build up NE and dopamine to bind on its own, opiates bind directly to receptors.
Contact me if you want help with a situation if you are depressed, at the least i can figure out whats deficient.
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FUCK plur
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AIM: TheTripDoctor
 
I totally agree trip. SSRI IMO are the spawn of Satan, sure they maybe help some seriously depressed people (although even that maybe partually placebo), but i can't understand why they get handed out like sweets. Why don't Doctors get depressed people to undergo brain scans on a regular basis, rather than asume its a lack of seratonin. Look at the high suiside rate.
I'd always recommend 5HTP, THC, Opiates, exercise and healthy diet over ad's.
Apart from MDMA and 5 meo DMT what other drugs cause Serotonin upregulation ?
 
what you dont understand is that doctors prescribe ssri's as a sleep aid because they are trying to figure out what works for their patient. ssri's worked as a sleep aid for me when i was depressed. know why? because when you have low sertonin your sleep patterns are fucked. so please dont dis prozac it's really a good drug when it is used right
 
Correct me if i'm wrong but (very basicly) doesn't your lovely prozac simple recycle Serotonin (by switchin off the taps, preventing it leaving) meaning prozac screws up one's brain chemistry, brain stops making its own supply of Serotonin. so when you want to come off an SSRI in say a years time your in a worse situation that when you started in the first place.
Don't people like you and huwy get it ??? All Trip, Phreex and others are trying to do is suguest a safe alternative. Then you guys cry that you love your prozac without backing it up with scientific evidence.
 
TripDoctor:
My friend has been diagnosed with depression and put on Aropax (Paxil) for a period of 6 months and has been told to up his dose a number of times and is currently on 2 pills a day..
Should he keep taking them or ask his doctor for something else.. how hard is it going to bed for him after 6 months of this 'treatment?'
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