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Strange thing in the past few weeks the people I know who are on dex have had the amount lessened or have been taken off them completely. I know I have ADHD and I know when I dont have them Im a scrambled mess. Im not going to drop my dose any further. I believe it's because the doctors just dont believe in it or something.
 
phase_dancer said:
If it does, and is intended to replace amphetamine altogether I'm not sure it would completely solve the problem of diversion, as the hydrolysis mentioned on the wiki link can also be performed with relative ease outside the body.

There are several dexamphetamine replacement drugs currently being looked at. IMO, in all likelihood dex will largely be replaced, with different drugs being used for different ailments.
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do you have any information about these other different drugs? hopefully dex will stay available at least for those who were already on it - it will probably become very difficult to get dex for a new diagnosis.
 
They're never going to replace Dex, it is never going to happen, what is going to happen though is the prodrug (and if daytrana sells and proves to be bettet than Vyvanse they'll reopen their trials for dex patch), dex is the MOST effective drug for ADHD the only thing i see replacing it is Desoxyn, but not anytime soon, they are NEVER going to take away dex
 
(These views in the way they have been presented here, ie anti ritalin anti ADHD, have no credability. Until you have suffered from adhd and can provide something approaching an opinion rather than just regergitating other peoples fringe dweller shit views in here (and shit it most certainly is)

I've been reading this nonsense and I have to say I totally agree with the above...

If you want to discuss something then why not try giving an opinion about it rather than simply performing a cut and paste of some article you come across. I mean do you agree or disagree with the content? A suitable response that comes to mind here is .......and your point is? I don't get it...sorry..


As far as expert opinions go.....Who are the experts anyway? I have ADHD and I don't give a toss what some "expert", who by the way, doesn't have the condition, says. I take dexies, they work for me and that's all that concerns me.......
 
nightworrier said:
Strange thing in the past few weeks the people I know who are on dex have had the amount lessened or have been taken off them completely. I know I have ADHD and I know when I dont have them Im a scrambled mess. Im not going to drop my dose any further. I believe it's because the doctors just dont believe in it or something.
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Same for me. There's no way I am stopping taking dex. People aren't safe on the roads when I am driving without medication. I reckon this far outweighs any long term effects. I've been on the same dose for 2 years and my life is so much better.....What's that slogan? "When your on a good thing stick to it!"
 
Do you take the normal prescribed dose? And do you require more and more of the dose to get the same medicinal effects it once had?
 
Yes I do. I haven't varied the total amount I take each day - its the way I take them that I have tweaked. You mentioned effects but that's probably not the best word to use. They either work or they don't - its more a case of getting the result.

For example: I used to take 2 in the morning and stagger the rest during the day but now I take 4 first up and then just a couple during the rest of the day. This gets me past the threshold, is more effective and I don't take as many. I certainly would never take more to get high. They just don't work like that for me. I have accidently taken a double dose and it was really unpleasant - I felt like a zombie...

Its hard to explain what happens, when the dexies kick in, but I liken it to being in a complete state of chaos, then suddenly the planets line up, and I can just get things done. I don't get distracted, can prioritise and complete things one at a time - things most people take for granted...... There's no physical effect for me in terms of euphoria or alertness - in fact I have taken them to go to sleep.

To tell you the truth I wish I didn't have to take them but living life like a ping pong ball isn't much fun so what do you do? People take pills for their heart or other medical conditions so what's the difference?
 
The difference is that its apparently socially unexceptable and the media can make money by saying pretty much whatever they want about it
 
Longer-lasting ADHD drug soon available

A new longer-lasting drug for children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorders (ADHD) will be available on the Pharmaceutical Scheme from Sunday.

The ADD Society of Queensland says current medication is administered every three hours, meaning children have to deal with the stigma of taking drugs during school.

The Toowoomba-based president, Dr Steven Dossel, says the new drug, Concerta, lasts for 12 hours.

"Round about lunchtime when the morning dose is wearing off and they haven't had their midday dose yet, they're virtually unmedicated so they're not functioning very well in the classroom," he said.

"Because the playground is not quite as organised as the classroom, they're likely to get into more strife in the playground as well."
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thats good news.....Concerto is Ritalin and Its normally costs $150 per bottle of 30 pills making it pretty much out of reach for most parents...A big problem for people with ADHD is they either forget to take their meds or loose the script. You have to leave your script at the chemist now so they've dealt with that problem- assuming that is if you don't loose it on the way there!!!
 
Is'nt Ritalin SR available here anyway?

I'm going to go back on the medication as well, I begin study in July and I'm all over the place.
 
Ritalin Sr is the generic name. Concerto is a particular brand. It is the same drug but the way the pill is constructed means it can be released slowly into the system. It is a very expensive pill to manufactire and presently is not available on the Pharmacuetical scheme but after Sunday it will be.
 
I'm aware of what concerta is, and the slow release ritalin (SR) and the long acting ritalin (LA) (which is more effective than concerta is) have been here for some time, so I don't see what all the media attention over it is

when I first went on the medication Ritalin was costing me around $70 a month, and the only way to get slow release ones was from a chemist in sydney who was making his own

he also produced slow release dexamphetamine

ritalin is dirt cheap now, same with the Ritalin LA compared to Concerta, and from what I can gather Ritalin LA is more effective in lower doses than Concerta is
 
Wow appearently there is some drug avaliablility(in stores) lag when compared to us here in the USA. That sucks, although I guess we're kinda like lab rats for you folks when it comes to this stuff. I wonder if its just for ADHD meds or for all drugs...
 
concerto is here already. That is not the topic of the article. The drug is going on the Pharmaceutical list which means instead of paying $150 per 30 pills it will cost significantly less.
 
it's concerta

and my point is that there is already ritalin LA availble here under a subsidy, so it will probably be around the same price, for the same drug, but it's not as effective as the ritalin matrix

so I can't see why everyone is so excited about it, obviously a slow news day
 
Government subsidy for drug linked to suicide
By Cath Hart
April 13, 2007 01:00am

A CONTROVERSIAL new treatment for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder has been added to the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, despite its potential to cause suicidal thoughts and stunt growth.

Health Minister Tony Abbott announced yesterday that Strattera would be added to the scheme from July 1 for the treatment of ADHD in children aged six to 18 who cannot take stimulant treatments such as methylphenidate, known as Ritalin, or dexamphetamine.

Under the PBS, the drug's price will drop from more than $100 for a month's supply to just $30.70, or $4.90 for concession-card holders.

Mr Abbott said about 18,000 people would take Strattera during its first full financial year of listing, adding about $101.2 million to PBS expenditure between 2007-08 and 2010-11.

The move comes after a Therapeutic Goods Administration assessment of Strattera last year, which identified suicidal thoughts, agitation, weight loss, chest pain and swollen testicles as potential side effects of the drug.

A spokeswoman for Strattera manufacturer Eli Lilly said drug regulation agencies in the US, Europe, Britain and Australia had all recently reviewed the safety of the drug and had reaffirmed that the drug's benefits justified the risks.

"There are benefits and risks associated with every medication," she said.

"Strattera is the most extensively studied psychiatric drug in children with the most comprehensive clinical-trials database compared to any other ADHD medication."

The head of psychological medicine at Adelaide's Women's and Children's Hospital, Jon Jureidini, said he was concerned that doctors would not exhaust other treatment options before using Strattera.

"Although it's not supported to be a first-line drug, I think we'll find that it will be used as a first-line drug, which is not what the PBAC (Pharmaceutical Benefits Advisory Committee) intended," Dr Jureidini said.

"The concerns about this drug are that it's very expensive and it's not proven to be any better than the cheaper drugs that are around and that's reflected in the determination by the PBAC, who will only financially support its use if other stimulant drugs have been tried."

Australian Medical Association vice-president Choong-Siew Yong, who specialises in child and adolescent mental health issues, said Strattera's side effects were "fairly rare" but recommended doctors and families discussed ways to monitor potential reactions in children taking the drug.

Opposition health spokeswoman Nicola Roxon said the Government needed to introduce guidelines for the diagnosis and treatment of ADHD.
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The Australian
 
Plea to ban ADHD drug
Margaret Wenham
April 19, 2007 12:00am


A NATIONAL child protection organisation has called on the Federal Government to reverse its decision to subsidise a controversial ADHD drug.

Joe Tucci of the Australian Childhood Foundation said he had grave concerns about the drug Strattera, which has been linked with suicide and eating disorders.

Dr Tucci said it had been banned in Russia and, in the US, had "the highest 'black box warning' that any medication can have relating to the suicide risk".

"We wrote to the Health Minister, Tony Abbott about six weeks ago saying please don't put it on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, in fact withdraw it, as there are already other (ADHD) drugs on the market."

Dr Tucci said adverse reports about the drug to Australia's Therapeutic Goods Administration agency included an 11-year-old boy who wanted to kill himself and a 12-year-old girl who developed anorexia.

Mr Abbott last week announced Strattera's inclusion on the PBS from July 1, saying it would especially benefit six-to-18-year-olds who could not take other medications that contained stimulants for the behavioral disorder ADHD..

An estimated 18,000 people will be prescribed Strattera – Atomoxetine – in the first financial year of listing, adding about $101.2 million to the PBS and Repatriation Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme between 2007-08 and 2010-11.

Eli Lilly Australia health corporation said on its website that about 2000 children and adults now take the drug.

The TGA said Strattera already had a black box warning in Australia.

There were at present 32 reports of suspected adverse reactions and the ADRAC was still monitoring Strattera.
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great post! ^^^^^

I was offered to try Strattera, but from reading the side effects I declined.

Another annoying side effect of it is hugely dilated pupils, it makes people look like they are on ecstasy from some friends accounts.
 
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