Speedballs

[Complete Random]

Well i've been reading quite a bit about the effects of speedballs and it sounds like something right up my alley. I've never tried smack, nor have had any urge to try it on it own. I do like coke however and restrict my use to once a week or fortnight. Anyway, i was wanting some opinions from those experienced if it is a wise idea to be jumping staight into speedballs without actually experimenting with H on its own.

Since coke is shorter acting than H does there come a point of time when the coke effects completely wear off and your left with the anti-social effects of heroin on its own? Is it ok to keep bumping with coke at this point of time?

A few friends are worried it might lead to heroin addiction which i find relatively strange since its something i only intend on trying once and by the sounds of things its a completely different high from just straight dope. So i'm getting the whole "you'll be come a smacko/don't be a smart arse" talk. Are there any things i should know regarding addiction potential. Anyone find themselves in a position where they thought they'd only try it once and found the temptation too great?

 

[collective_vision]

There is tons of info on here about speedballs...use the search engine next time!

i was wanting some opinions from those experienced if it is a wise idea to be jumping staight into speedballs without actually experimenting with H on its own.

I do not think you should do this before actaully trying heroin alone. It is unwise to try a drug in combination with another drug, especially not knowing how you are going to react to the substance first. The thing is, with speedballs, the drugs seem to block out the effects of each other, and it is very easy to think you need more heroin (when you really don't) and overdose.

Since coke is shorter acting than H does there come a point of time when the coke effects completely wear off and your left with the anti-social effects of heroin on its own? Is it ok to keep bumping with coke at this point of time?

Yes, the coke wears off, and you are left with the effects of heroin. It may not seem like the heroin is working but it probably is so don't take any more. However, I would barely call heroin "anti-social". Opiates cause loss of inhibitions and even stimulating effects in many users.

A few friends are worried it might lead to heroin addiction which i find relatively strange since its something i only intend on trying once and by the sounds of things its a completely different high from just straight dope. So i'm getting the whole "you'll be come a smacko/don't be a smart arse" talk. Are there any things i should know regarding addiction potential. Anyone find themselves in a position where they thought they'd only try it once and found the temptation too great?

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It's all in moderation. If you can moderate your heroin use, you'll be fine. Most people who start using think they can moderate their abuse, think you must have an addictive personality, or just stopped caring about life. Heroin is both psychologically and physically addictive. It usually takes several weeks of ab/use to become physically dependant.

If I gave out any misinformation, please correct me someone :D I am a heroin n00b

 

[twominds]

^^^ definitely become familiar with IV heroin before you attempt a 'speedball' as I believe theres more danger of OD if you have no opiate tolerance. The coke will be gone after 10 minutes but the Heroin is still travelling strong. Without any experience with H you'll more than likely to be very psychically sick.

 

[synchrojet]

Also, try to understand that heroin is a bit tricky in the addiction department.

I seriously doubt that anyone ever set out to be an addict.

Be careful. As soon as you mainline a dose of QUALITY heroin, things will seem very different than they do now, I would wager.

 

[Complete Random]

Cheers all

^^^ definitely become familiar with IV heroin before you attempt a 'speedball' as I believe theres more danger of OD if you have no opiate tolerance. The coke will be gone after 10 minutes but the Heroin is still travelling strong. Without any experience with H you'll more than likely to be very psychically sick.

I'm banking on the fact that i probably will be sick after reading the "first experiences" from erowid. I was intending on using a smaller dose of both substances based on the fact that i'm new to it and have no experience with the effects of heroin or speedballs and have no idea if i'll be able to handle it. I don't intend on redosing at least not with heroin, perhaps more coke later in the night, although, Syncrojet has left me doubting this will power.

 

[twominds]

^^^ You must remember most first time users of Heroin IV will get sick and vomit. I did for the first 5-8 times i used. I believe it would be better to experience the Heroin on its own first, see how you like it, if you can handle it, then decide wheather its a good idea putting coke into the mix. 'Complete Random' Speedballs are dangerous and I personally dont think it should be recomended for inexperienced users such as yourself. Im sure alot of others will agree.

 

[Jumbo]

I have no personal experience with speedballs, but I know someone who did: John Belushi. Does this suggest anything to you?

 

[twominds]

^^ And Chris Farley. It suggests that overweight, male comedians from Saturday night live shouldn't shoot speedballs... Right... No, really to me this reflects the impact a speedball has to one's heart. After a hit your heart is some what overwelmed by the pressure and your bodys complicated about weather to slow or quicken. The stress on the body is intense and as i've mentioned before shouldn't be taken lightly. H & coke together would have to have contributed to a phenomenal amount of casualties, im not sure of actual figures.

 

[Complete Random]

I have no personal experience with speedballs, but I know someone who did: John Belushi. Does this suggest anything to you?

Thankyou i am aware of john belushi.

 

[Yoked_Dragon]

Are you IV'g, I never have IV'd cause I know I would be much more hooked than I am now, nor have I tried heroin, ,but almost every pharm opioid made, or at least the good ones.

ANyways, I have mixed line of decent coke with 20mg of OC, and it was very enjoyable. Maybe try it with OC's like I did first before heroin, and sniffed, not IV'd. At least with OC's you know exactly what and how much you are doing!

IMO

 

[d-loc]

i wouldn't say heroin has anti-social effects. i find it much easier to carry on a conversation while im doped up.

 

[adradmin]

follow up

if one were to take a lot of speed and then smoke pot isnt that a speedball? or say taking a lot of valium?? ppl think of speedballs as just opiate+speed. whenever i smoke up if im on speed i really tweak out. my heart gets those mixed signals and i can feel a lot of strain on me. just wondering

 

[SteveElektro]

Re: follow up

if one were to take a lot of speed and then smoke pot isnt that a speedball? or say taking a lot of valium?? ppl think of speedballs as just opiate+speed. whenever i smoke up if im on speed i really tweak out. my heart gets those mixed signals and i can feel a lot of strain on me. just wondering

It's a slang term that AFAIK has only ever been used to describe shooting up coke and heroin at the same time.

BTW weed isn't a downer, it's actually a hallucinogenic stimulant. This is due to the way it affects brain chemistry, not the way it make you *feel*.

 

[staind rose]

adradmin- if you told me you were doing speedballs, then told me you had just snorted a ritalin then smoked some weed i'd be laughing pretty damn hard.

speedball= heroin+cocaine (IV'd)

what's heroin+methamph? anyone?

Complete Random- whew, be careful and lots of luck! i overdosed doing that, and i had experience with shooting heroin. so, as i said, good luck.

 

[on the road]

Re: follow up

if one were to take a lot of speed and then smoke pot isnt that a speedball? ....whenever i smoke up if im on speed i really tweak out. my heart gets those mixed signals and i can a lot of strain on me. just wondering

I agree, isn't putting espresso in my slippery nipple (an alcoholic drink with bailey's) putting strain on my heart...in affect, making it a speedball??

I really hate to sound like a drug snob-but you're getting way to philisophical for this shit...
From what I understand a speedball is just a nickname for IVing heroin and cocaine--just like a primo is a nickname for a blunt with weed and coke it in...right?
Thats why a primo isn't called a speedball because they're totally different drugs--also because weed and coke doesnt even
feel like a speedball where IVed cocaine and heroin does..


*thanks for the help biski and asm

 

[Morrison's Lament]

Speedball is heroin and coke, via IV, as has been said. Mixing uppers and downers is called "crossing" where I come from.

You can cross with any two substances so long as one is stimulating and the other is a depressant (or pot, for that matter, it's all semantics anyway).

--- G.

 

[dj phucktag]

i wouldn't say heroin has anti-social effects. i find it much easier to carry on a conversation while im doped up.

I agree...ill talk somebody's ear off right after a shot of dope.

 

[adradmin]

follow up

yea i understand what im doing is not a speedball. i just wanted to know if it has the same negative effects as coke+heroin combined? anyone ever notice any adverse affects from taking a lot of meth than smoking kb?? i could easily see myself taking too much valium or something while on a speed binge to come down. same as if i was on coke. who says it has to be opiates,

 

[Complete Random]

^^^Since when did valium become bad on a comedown? I was given valium in hospital to calm me down after having a panic attack whilst on speed. If it was at all the equivalent of a speedball, i doubt that's what i'd have been given.

 

[rm-rf]

does anyone have good dosage ranges for first time speedball experiment? if someone is familiar with heroin (and most other opiates/opiods) and very expierenced with coke, lets say.