Speedballing

[Crimson Cloud]

Ahh...my two best friends, cocaine and opiates. Speedballing is one of my favorite hobbies. I have a couple of questions for those of you who endulge in this forbidden pleasure. Do you do them at the same time, or take one before the other? What opiate do you prefer to use? And what routes of administration do you use?
Oxycodone is my favorite opioid to use. I know someone will say that "only
heroin and coke is a real speedball" but fuck that, oxy is much more euphoric than heroin and more available to me(also makes me less itchy). I usually take a small oral dose of oxy(20mg), then do a nice rail of good coke, then take another 40 mg. of oxy and do bumps of coke until said coke is gone. Iv'e also had good experiences smoking base while on oxy.
This is stupid, but while I have no problem banging coke, I just cant bring myself to shoot heroin.(yet) I'm just weird. But one day, when I do decide to bang the big H, I must try the classic recipe, heroin and coke IVed in the same rig. Must be beautiful.

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by Crimson Cloud:
And what routes of administration do you use?

Not trying to be a dick at all, but if you're doing anything but IV-ing, you really do not know what a speed ball really is (physically at least). I just did one 15 minutes ago... I used to smoke H and smoke some rock or rail some powder, but it was NOTHING like the first time IV-ing a true mix of H and C. Holy fucking shit!
Anyway, I always mix both up in the same spoon, fill the rig and then send it home.
doc

 

[Thurgood]

I like to break down a $10 rock and throw in a $10 bag of heroin to the mixture and shoot it all at once. This is my favorite way...you get a huge rush from the coke and once it's time for the comedown you've got the heroin there to mask it, just perfect!

 

[Crimson Cloud]

Not trying to be a dick at all, but if you're doing anything but IV-ing, you really do not know what a speed ball really is (physically at least).
I know that. That's why I said:

This is stupid, but while I have no problem banging coke, I just cant bring myself to shoot heroin.(yet) I'm just weird. But one day, when I do decide to bang the big H, I must try the classic recipe, heroin and coke IVed in the same rig. Must be beautiful.
Ive done h and coke together every other way possible except banging both. I've shot coke and smoked H and my friends told me that would be the closest I would get to the true speedball but I know from the look of their faces when they bang both at the same time that it's not even close. Im just waiting for the day I build up enough nerve to bang that goddamn H!
BTW, I refer to any mixing of opiates and coke as speedballing.
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[staind rose]

although the rush from both at once is amazing... i agree with the beautiful chica above (dnkhrb5), shoot the coke first and save the smack for the comedown. with coke you will want to keep shooting it, the smack will erase that desire and let you comedown off of the coke into a glorious high.
also, i would argue that a speedball must be shot. no snorting shit and calling it a speedball. not only is that a waste of drugs but you aren't speedballing...blah. not worth arguing over...
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[NoriegA]

Well said DnkHrb5. Your dead on with this one. I agree with your method. Some good times...

 

[Beccy]

this is gonna sound dumb but if i don't ask i'll never know...
WHAT IS SPEEDBALLING?
from what i've read here i figure it must b something 2 do with mixing hard drugs...but what exactly do u do? it sounds pretty intense tho from what i've read!

 

[Crimson Cloud]

I consider it mixing an opiate with coke or meth. Junkies will tell you that only coke and heroin is a speedball and hardcore junkies will argue with you forever that its only a speedball if you shoot both. But myself and most of the world refers to speedballing as mixing either cocaine or meth with an opiate.
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[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by Crimson Cloud:
I consider it mixing an opiate with coke or meth. Junkies will tell you that only coke and heroin is a speedball and hardcore junkies will argue with you forever that its only a speedball if you shoot both. But myself and most of the world refers to speedballing as mixing either cocaine or meth with an opiate.
[ 29 July 2002: Message edited by: Crimson Cloud ]
You should really lose the chip on your shoulder...
I wasn't arguing with you. I used to smoke/snort h and coke together- sure it's nice. I'm just saying from personal experience that it is not even the same beast as loading a rig with both and iv-ing. I don't give two shits whether you want to call what you do a speedball or not...
Anyway, I've done them seperately, but I really like having both in the same rig. I can definitely feel both when in the same. The qualities of the rush are totally different. Maybe I just have the magic mix- nothing is really masked by the other drug. I can feel the coke rush but it's different. I can definitely feel the h rush, but it's different. Hell, that's why I do them at the same time- it's different. Slamming some coke and then waiting till the rush is wearing off to slam the h is just NOT the same thing.
doc

 

[Ayrios]

Originally posted by Crimson Cloud:
[QB]But myself and most of the world refers to speedballing as mixing either cocaine or meth with an opiate.
You assume too much, no one I know says that.

 

[Crimson Cloud]

It's too broad a term. It's slang, it depends where you are.
P.S. when I said "most of the world" I meant the general public. Among the general public (most of which doesnt do drugs) a speeedball is known as a combo of an opiate and a stimulant, cause thats what they teach you in school and on stupid gov. run web sites. Do you assume that the people you know makes up most of the world?
And Groveller: I don't know why you're jumping down my throat, cause I wasn't refering to you, but I think it's funny that when I said junkie you thought I was.
This is just stupid. What you guys are saying is like saying: If you dont shoot your coke, you're not even doing coke. Not true. Even though you're not getting the most out of it you're still doing coke. Same thing here. I know im not getting the most out of it(i've made that clear more than once) but coke and heroin(oxy in my case) is a speedball. Just because I dont shoot both doesnt mean I'm not doing coke and heroin(or oxy).
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[Crimson Cloud]

Whatever, this could go on forever so Im not going to argue anymore. But.....
Taken from The World Book Dictionary(1994) pg.2010 volume 2:
Speedball, n., US - 4 Slang. a mixture of cocaine and another drug, especially heroin, or amphetamine.
It says nothing about a specific route of administration.
So as I said before,

It's too broad a term. It's slang, it depends where you are.
and

I consider it mixing an opiate with coke or meth. Junkies will tell you that only coke and heroin is a speedball and hardcore junkies will argue with you forever that its only a speedball if you shoot both. But myself and most of the world refers to speedballing as mixing either cocaine or meth with an opiate.
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[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by Crimson Cloud:
And Groveller: I don't know why you're jumping down my throat, cause I wasn't refering to you, but I think it's funny that when I said junkie you thought I was.
[ 29 July 2002: Message edited by: Crimson Cloud ]
Gee, you find that funny? Yeah, when you said junky I thought you were talking about me- especially since I pointed out that a speedball needs to be IV'd to have any remote clue what the combo truly feels like. Yeah, I'm a fucking junky. It kind of sucks, but that's the way it goes. Let me guess, 'cuz you're chugging back oxy and not spiking H all the time, you're not a junky right? Fucking kids...
You started this off asking for what others do with speedballs. I offered up that if you really want the ride, grab a rig, then told you how I like to do both at the same time. Ever since, all you've really done is defend your lame definition (one that the "rest" of the probably couldn't care less about) of what a speedball is. Oh, I guess you meant junky as perjorative. Oh well, sorry I'm not all bent out of shape at being labeled what I am.
Doc

 

[Crimson Cloud]

I was just saying that you shouldnt have taken my comment so personally, cause it wasnt aimed at you. And yeah, im a fuckin junkie too, i never said I wasn't.

Ever since, all you've really done is defend your lame definition (one that the "rest" of the probably couldn't care less about) of what a speedball is.
Because all anyone else has done is argue with me. I want to know where it is writen that a fucking speedball has to be shot??? And when I started this thread I stated that I knew that people would argue about that. So anyone that wanted to argue with me over that should have read that as: I know what you're gonna say, so shut the fuck up now. I just asked a couple of simple questions to try and start a fucking conversation. Now I want to know who made this goddamn law that speedballs MUST BE SHOT??????? I didn't want this to happen to this thread, but some people are assholes. You should remove the stick from your ass, cause I never meant to offend you, but now you can go fuck yourself. I dont care how lame you think my idea of a speedball is, I like it. Now I'm gonna go eat my OC80 and bang my fucking yay-yo and enjoy my LAME ASS MOTHERFUCKING SPEEDBALL!
And BTW...

Oh well, sorry I'm not all bent out of shape at being labeled what I am.
You could've fooled me.

 

[fairnymph]

The term speedball refers to a group of drugs used together, as well as route of administration.
I have to agree.

 

[Crimson Cloud]

Why do you people not understand that this is a slang term that can mean different things in different places?

 

[C21H23NO5]

They're just saying, crimson cloud, the word speedball when said, will usually conjure up the image of someone banging cocaine/heroin at the same time. We're not calling you a faggot for saying you're speedballing still even though you're not shooting it. No one could care less. Rather, everyone is just clarifying that the commonly acknowledged meaning of the word is as dr grovveller is saying. Cue Fairnymph agreement.

 

[meister]

The essential difference with shooting the combo and taking it other ways would lie within the first half-hour. Smoking crack 20 minutes after snorting at least 60mg of oxycodone would be a better representation.
I have heard more obscene pornographies of the word "speedball". It is speedball, albeit limp dick.
Oh and....
Speedball Fun

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by Crimson Cloud:
I was just saying that you shouldnt have taken my comment so personally, cause it wasnt aimed at you. And yeah, im a fuckin junkie too, i never said I wasn't.
Because all anyone else has done is argue with me. I want to know where it is writen that a fucking speedball has to be shot??? And when I started this thread I stated that I knew that people would argue about that. So anyone that wanted to argue with me over that should have read that as: I know what you're gonna say, so shut the fuck up now. I just asked a couple of simple questions to try and start a fucking conversation. Now I want to know who made this goddamn law that speedballs MUST BE SHOT??????? I didn't want this to happen to this thread, but some people are assholes. You should remove the stick from your ass, cause I never meant to offend you, but now you can go fuck yourself. I dont care how lame you think my idea of a speedball is, I like it. Now I'm gonna go eat my OC80 and bang my fucking yay-yo and enjoy my LAME ASS MOTHERFUCKING SPEEDBALL!
you could've fooled me.
Your definition is lame- I never said shooting coke and snorting OCs was lame. Quote so if I did. I think it's lame that you continually argue and defend a position that no one has really attacked- certainly NOT me. I said from the beginning I wasn't being a dick about it, just that it's a fact that a true shot speedball is in a whole nother fucking category as smoking/snorting/or some other combo of coke and H. Pure and simple. You want to call it that, I dont' fucking care. I was trying to add to your stupid fucking conversation- last fucking time I do that (well, counting this post). Enjoy your vaccuuous silence mr cloud... you're soooo much more informed I'll tell you. Yes, you certainly put me in my place stamping your feet over and over against the wind. Hope it was worth it.
Rigging C and then waiting for the rush to die, then banging some H just doesn't feel as giddy to me. It's like doing the shots separate- I don't feel the same synergy that I do when I do them together. Now, one rig FULL of coke followed right on the heels by as rig FULL of H... recipe for disaster, death, morgue visit in the first person, but FUCK! it feels soooooo good.
I'm out right now... I went 4 days last week totally dry (helps to be in the middle of nowhere). Knew it wouldn't last. Fuck, I'd kill YOU for a fix right now.
doc

 

[Crimson Cloud]

LMAO! ur hilarious!