ok so i shot up about a bag of heroin and felt great and to get ird ofthe nod i snorted some powder of ritalin prob5-10mg but the thing is i can take 10mg orally and be fucked up fo 8 hours, then i shot up anoher half bag cuz i didnt feel the heroin anymore i know this is a safer speedball, but is there anything to be worried about i feel great and am starting to nod off again but my heart rate is still up, it feels like a speedball but less intense you know, any input on the saftey of the combo, i did a search yes and it seems to be a safer speedball but i was wonderin the dose of mine, btw the bags are typical westside chicago good quality bags, like enough to kill a first timer.
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Harm Reduction speedballin bad idea?
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brutus
Bluelight Crew
Mixing stimulants with opiates is never a good idea, so I wouldn't say the combo was safe. It's a safe bet that it was safer then the conventional speedball of cocaine and heroin IV since you didn't IV the Ritalin.
yeaht htats what i mean, id never advise speedballin, hell id never advise ivng either, or using heroin on top of that, lol but yeah i know it was a dumb idea woulda saved me anaxiety and a better high and money and safety to just do the dope
ErgicMergic
Bluelighter
"to.... get... rid... of... nod...? 
Don't most people chase the nod? Or were you on the brink of overdosing and scared that you were nodding too hard?
Don't most people chase the nod? Or were you on the brink of overdosing and scared that you were nodding too hard?
well i dont like the nod it amakes me forget evrything passout too much and people notice, i like a little of sleepyness and the tiny bit of a nod where yoru like goin out for less than a second then back up but not noddin for like minutes at a time for 6 hours
brutus
Bluelight Crew
^ Then take less of whatever opiate you are using. No need to throw a stimulant in the mix if you are just trying to avoid nodding.
ErgicMergic
Bluelighter
^ This. The nod is the first thing to go with a tolerance, although the euphoria and motivation from opiates tends to stick around a while longer. So, why "chase away" the nod by chasing it too hard and trying to cover it up with stimulants?
Waste of drugs and honeymoon-stage (early tolerance) heroin highs, imo. You should enjoy each drug by itself at nod-worthy dosages, and save the stims for when the opioids have completely worn off, or for the next morning, just my opinion.
Waste of drugs and honeymoon-stage (early tolerance) heroin highs, imo. You should enjoy each drug by itself at nod-worthy dosages, and save the stims for when the opioids have completely worn off, or for the next morning, just my opinion.
Honestly i don't get the big thing with mixing stims and opiates. They do a great job of cancelling each other out making you want more of each drug , and thats where the danger comes in. When i was taking oxy and coke together it almost felt like i was more sober. Than if i had just taken oxy alone, or coke alone. I understand if a stimulant makes you anxious a nice downer will make you feel comfortable and calm. But mixing them together doesn't seem that great to me, start with the amp then end the night with an opiate of low to medium dose. Iv never i'vd coke and heroin together and never will, but imo speed balls are way over rated.
tricomb
Bluelight Crew
^Hard to say something's overrated if you've never done it 
Honestly though, cocaine/opioids pales in terms of euphoria in comparison with methamphetamine/opioids. Everyone's body is different and thus, everyone enjoys different sensations, some prefer cocaine and heroin, I prefer methamphetamine and morphine.
However, speedballs are usually taken with hopes of a very strong rush and euphoria as two extremely potent CNS active drugs fight it out in your bloodstream. The term "Speedball", is often used to describe a mix of a strong stimulant with a strong depressant, although the original speedball was cocaine and morphine.
Enough about speedballing, it's obviously an extremely dangerous, risky, combination of drugs, but most people have a different motive for speedballing. I highly would recommend against taking CNS stimulants in attempts to overpower a nod, the solution is very simple. Don't take as much opioids! If you're nodding, you're taking a lot of opioids, and if you dont want to nod.... just take less opiates! Find the sweet spot.
Honestly though, cocaine/opioids pales in terms of euphoria in comparison with methamphetamine/opioids. Everyone's body is different and thus, everyone enjoys different sensations, some prefer cocaine and heroin, I prefer methamphetamine and morphine.
However, speedballs are usually taken with hopes of a very strong rush and euphoria as two extremely potent CNS active drugs fight it out in your bloodstream. The term "Speedball", is often used to describe a mix of a strong stimulant with a strong depressant, although the original speedball was cocaine and morphine.
Enough about speedballing, it's obviously an extremely dangerous, risky, combination of drugs, but most people have a different motive for speedballing. I highly would recommend against taking CNS stimulants in attempts to overpower a nod, the solution is very simple. Don't take as much opioids! If you're nodding, you're taking a lot of opioids, and if you dont want to nod.... just take less opiates! Find the sweet spot.
Brandasaur
Bluelighter
On the topic of speedballing, I did 3mg of clonazepam then smoked a couple points of meth, did i speedball?
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
brandsaur, by definition no, you pretty much just dulled the meth high/reduced the anxiety it can cause and lessened the side effects of the meth. benzo's are depressants, but not considered to be that potent, unless you take something like triazolam which i would consider a potent depressant. in general terms a speedball refers to use of potent opiates/stimulants
Znegative
Bluelight Crew
^no.
A lot of people see, to have a misconception of what a "speedball" reall is. It's an intravenous combination of cocaine and heroin (classically), but can also be an IV combo of heroin and methamphetamine (or another stimulant). However, the Cocaine + Heroin combo is more ideal of people who favor opiates, as cocaine is such a short acting stimulant especially when injected.
When you shoot heroin and coke, the coke does not make the heroin more speedy. What happens is you get the intense rush from the cocaine (which pretty much overpowers the rush of the heroin), and as you come down, you sink to the high of the opiate. Combining stimulants that are long lasting (like meth and especially MDPV) will invade on the heroin's effects. IME, shooting MDPV and Oxymorphone together was just a waste as the PV completely negated the Opana's effects.
Basically, doing a downer along with an upper isn't really a speedball, it's what people seem to refer to as a pseudo-speedball. Sniffing some coke or some methylphenidate after doing a shot of heroin, and then shooting some more heroin after the methylphenidate Is basically just trying to even out your high so your not too tired, but not too alert. This is actually probably more dangerous than just injecting both at the same time (assuming your using a micron filter for the methylphenidate as Ritalin as some nasty binders), and calling it a day. The main reason that Speedballs are dangerous is because offten people end up overdosing due to using too much heroin/other opiate. If you're doing dope, sniffing Ritalin, then doing more dope, and continue using in this pattern, the dope is going to catch up with you first.
A lot of people see, to have a misconception of what a "speedball" reall is. It's an intravenous combination of cocaine and heroin (classically), but can also be an IV combo of heroin and methamphetamine (or another stimulant). However, the Cocaine + Heroin combo is more ideal of people who favor opiates, as cocaine is such a short acting stimulant especially when injected.
When you shoot heroin and coke, the coke does not make the heroin more speedy. What happens is you get the intense rush from the cocaine (which pretty much overpowers the rush of the heroin), and as you come down, you sink to the high of the opiate. Combining stimulants that are long lasting (like meth and especially MDPV) will invade on the heroin's effects. IME, shooting MDPV and Oxymorphone together was just a waste as the PV completely negated the Opana's effects.
Basically, doing a downer along with an upper isn't really a speedball, it's what people seem to refer to as a pseudo-speedball. Sniffing some coke or some methylphenidate after doing a shot of heroin, and then shooting some more heroin after the methylphenidate Is basically just trying to even out your high so your not too tired, but not too alert. This is actually probably more dangerous than just injecting both at the same time (assuming your using a micron filter for the methylphenidate as Ritalin as some nasty binders), and calling it a day. The main reason that Speedballs are dangerous is because offten people end up overdosing due to using too much heroin/other opiate. If you're doing dope, sniffing Ritalin, then doing more dope, and continue using in this pattern, the dope is going to catch up with you first.
In my experience, if you're asking if it's a bad idea you already know the answer
And yet, you probably will ignore all posts strongly suggesting it's a bad idea...
You're just looking for someone to give you a rationale to do it so you can not feel bad.
I've been guilty of this myself a few times.
And yet, you probably will ignore all posts strongly suggesting it's a bad idea...
You're just looking for someone to give you a rationale to do it so you can not feel bad.
I've been guilty of this myself a few times.
onetwo
Bluelighter
The part I don't get is how the 5-10mg of methylphenidate did anything. At doses like that I've barely felt any effect at all, and how you would notice that, especially on heroin.
Znegative
Bluelight Crew
Right, or start overdosing back and forth between depressant and stimulant. :0