Speed & Psychedelics - Warnings & HR Methods

[puckboy]

Thought I'd make this thread after Psilo's advice as the "Speed+booze" thread was getting derailed a bit (by me).

Who enjoys the combination? It has the potential to be alot of fun, but can also turn on you and be a horrible experience. Usually from messing up with the dose, timing and set/setting. Seems alot of people hate it though due to anxiety/paranoia during the experience.

Like it or hate it... tell us your experiences and precautions you take in order to keep the combo fun and free of anxiety/paranoia or other side effects.

Whether it be shrooms and meth, acid and dex-amp, acid and mdpv, 2C-x drugs and speed, what are your experiences and how do you make sure the experience goes as smoothly as possible? How much do you dose (ratio-wise)? How do you time the dosing?

Personally I love the combo if I get it right, it can be extremely euphoric, but this NYE I didn't and entered a paranoid/anxiety filled delusional headspace because the D-Amp wore off while I was still on acid. What are your thoughts on the combo and how do you pull it off without the negatives? and keep it safe and fun?

 

[Jakeperson]

I tried to 2CI (18mg) and dropped two pills that turned out to be methbombs, I organized and ate benzo's are soon as I realized this, was lucky it didn't go on for longer and I knew I had a way out.

 

[psytaco]

i'm not a big user of speed so don't have much experience with combining it with psychedelics.

First time I used LSD I did some speed a bit after peak had began to subside. If anything it sobered me up.

I have combined a largish dose of amphetamines (over the counter amphetamine tablets bought in thailand) with cocaine, and mushrooms. I got a bit of trippy effects, but didn't really experience that much of the mushrooms. My friend was tripping quite a bit off them so they were working. Mainly just felt the speed and coke.

 

[Sykik]

Psilo being the resident psychedelic expert, I wait patiently for his valuable input, but here's my 2c.

Myself, I enjoy candy-flipping, However I feel the good mdma is wasted a bit. If you want to candy-flip, Id rather find some 2cb.

All I can talk about from past experience is LCD + Pills (tested to be MDxx). I find the pill high when it hits, the peak that is, is very intense, however normally on pills I enjoy the come down, once I get over the fact the peak is over, and dance it out, but on LCD all I get is the peak, and not much else. So if you had some good mdma and you knew you could peak for about 2hrs, it would be a great combination, if not it is just a 30min high, kept in place by the LSD mind set.

Personally I'd just do LSD... however doing LSD + MDMA somewhat calms the trip. But number one advice is try the LSD (or other psychedelic) before mixing it, as you can get into a bad place if the trip is enhanced by encouraging your brain to work in overload. Those bad thoughts have a tendency to develop faster and take your deeper into oblivion.

Of course the opersite can be true, you can enjoy it emensly. But I feel keeping some mdma powder (or cleanish pills) on hand for someone experiencing some negitive energy to rail, was always a plan of mine, never done it, so maybe if someone has tried that. Fill me in.

 

[acidprime]

candy flipped atleast 3 times a month for about 3 years 2002 - 2005 while partying.

Was always excellent. Tabs first, then dropped biccies, always smoothed out the end of a acid trip, plus eye wiggles while on cid is awesome

I've only had a couple of bad trips, enough to know how to escape them without adding pills, but i know atleast once i pulled myself out of the depths of a bad trip by eating a pill or two.

Adding speed while already on LSD always killed off the psychedelic aspect for me and besides lsd already allows me to be as energetic as i need to be.

 

[Busty St Clare]

Adding speed while already on LSD always killed off the psychedelic aspect for me and besides lsd already allows me to be as energetic as i need to be.

^This. I don't see a real benefit of mixing the two. MDMA is a little different as you are after the loved up empathy to mix with the crazy trip. Adding speed just seems like a waste. Far better in my opinion to save it for another time.

 

[cssss]

I have done mushrooms and pills or "hippie flipped" before at a club, found it to be quite a good experience. I was already peaking off 2 when I had the shrooms, then ate another pill about an hour after that. I see what you mean with the whole gets rid of the trippyness, because I only had mild hallucinations...

 

[puckboy]

First time I used LSD I did some speed a bit after peak had began to subside. If anything it sobered me up.

I have combined a largish dose of amphetamines (over the counter amphetamine tablets bought in thailand) with cocaine, and mushrooms. I got a bit of trippy effects, but didn't really experience that much of the mushrooms. My friend was tripping quite a bit off them so they were working. Mainly just felt the speed and coke.

Yeah, I agree. Amps or MDxx mixed with psychedelics like LSD or mushrooms can really 'ground' the trip. So some of the psychedelic effects are diminished. But this is the reason I enjoy the combination at music festivals, events etc as tripping by itself can be a bit of a mindfuck in that atmosphere with the crowds amongst other things going on.

If I'm just with a few friends or alone or in a non-party atmosphere I wouldn't bother with the combo, I'd just take the psychs.

But in a party atmosphere with lots of people I enjoy the combo as it allows me to be in that 'tripping headspace' with some nice visuals, but also not socially withdrawn and a bit anxious which I can tend to experience in such a setting. The amphets also really add to the euphoria IME and increase confidence and ability to talk to people much more easily, though much of it is probably jiberish

IMO it's alot of fun, you'll dance like a madman but it is vitally important to make sure the stimulants wear off AFTER the trip has ended. So depending on the substances and how long they last will depend on when you dose each (or redose).

If your prone to anxiety/paranoia on amphetamines and other stims I'd stay far away from the combo though. Mushrooms are probably better then LSD IMO to mix with stims, just because of the shorter length. I prefer hippyflipping to candyflipping. But thats just me, with things like this, many people may react very differently. So best to take it easy, which I learnt the hard way on NYE

 

[Sustanon]

I wouldnt mix amphetamines with Psychedelics. I find that LSD is very stimmy as it is. When i trip i usually like to lay down and chill and enjoy the visuals. The last thing id like to feel is stimmyness. Thats why i prefer shrooms over acid as i feel very calm and non jittery on shrooms. I just sink into teh chair or bed but with acid i just feel so uncomfortable sitting or laying down.

MDMA+Psychs on the other hand is a very nice feeling but u have to be in the right environment like a club or somewhere were ud like to dance. I guess its preference but i prefer to chill and explore my mind laying down feeling comfy as. Thats why i am a big fan of Opiates too.

 

[puckboy]

I should probably add that I will only mix amphetamines with psyches if I dose lowish with the psyches. As in, just enough to get the walls breathing a little and that grin on your face with the random laughter at nothing.

Adding amphetamines to a high dose of acid or something would be way too much for your head. I wasn't suggesting anyone do that. MDMA is a different story though.

Low dose psychedelics + speed is a bunch of fun though for music festivals, doofs, live music in general imo.

 

[acidicweed_69]

last time i tripped, i had:
lsd at +0, and i smoked weed throughout the entire trip
at +6 i had 25mg valium and 20mg dex and for about the next 10-15 hours i was almost literally bouncing off the walls, my mind and body were in overdrive but i could still kinda relax if i wanted to lol... it was a very fun experience and i found it quite psychedellic but it was more the though patterns of acid lingering towards the end as compared to visuals and stuff.

 

[Sustanon]

Not condoning any drug usage or combos but opiates especially oxycontin + psychedelics go very well together.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

Take my advice

Psilo being the resident psychedelic expert, I wait patiently for his valuable input

People never seem to listen when I tell them about the dangers of this combo

I will offer this...

Mixing any psych with any stimulant is seriously playing with fire

Yes, when you pull this combo off it CAN be one hell of a night but, seriously consider the risks before attempting this combo

My worst trip ever was a mix of stimulants and LSD, words can't even explain the intensity of that trip and how much I wanted to be dead rather than deal with what was going through my mind. THAT IS COMING FROM ONE VERY EXPERIENCED TRIPPER!!!

I have also had other semi-bad trips that have fucked my night/day/festival from smaller amounts of said combo

Losing your shit while stimmed on psychs, makes the average bad trip feel like a walk in the park. I'm sure some of you have experienced losing it on mushrooms, LSD, 2C*'s etc. trust me, that is childs play in comparison!

This combo takes out roughly 1 good friend at every event I go to! I'm fed up with dealing with disaster cases and want to get the word out to you all

People never usually listen to old psilo's harm reduction rants, that is, until they are lost for words and hating every minute of a trip they brought on through their own misuse of drugs.

For that reason i will give a few tips

NEVER take a psychedelic drug while you are feeling charged from any kind of stimulant

NEVER take large amounts (I strongly suggest not taking any amount) of stimulants while on a psychedelic

If you have been using stims and really can't help yourself, I suggest waiting till well after the peak effects have worn off and only dosing half a normal dose, waiting 2 hours (3+ hours if dosing anything from the DO* family, be very careful with unfamiliar tabs as they could be DO*!)

I think that about covers my view

I won't go into any other combo's because this is a harm reduction forum, not a "let's get fucked up" forum

Psychedelic drugs are strong enough without having to add anything to the mix

I don't wanna hear about how people have pulled this combo off etc.... Good for you but, be warned, it will nip you in the butt one day and you will know what myself and many others have learned

The part of the mind unlocked when you're over stimmed on psychs is what I imagine hell to be

I have been to hell and I hope that from reading my experience, you don't have too

Respect the amazing psychedelic compounds we have access to

They are amazing mind tools, you can learn so much from them and you can have so much fun on them

Dosage, set and setting are the key factors

Stay safe and enjoy tripping for years to come my friends

Psilo %)

 

[perthboy]

Wise words Psilo, can you tell me if mixing a couple of dexies with a single tab is still a pretty bad idea?
I almost threw that into the mix for NYE and would just like to know how things could have played out.

 

[chdza]

I don't think I'd ever wonna take speed with lsd, wonna candy flip sometime though.
I think you'd be better off with just a DOX as they are all more stimmy than acid.

 

[chemi]

Off-topic, but yes, candyflips are a MUST MUST MUST for anyone. If candyflipping was a drug by itself, it would be my favourite drug. MDMA 90 minutes after the LSD

 

[perthboy]

chemi would you take the pills 90mins after having the tab or 90mins after the tab kicks in?

 

[belarki]

My worst trip ever was a mix of stimulants and LSD, words can't even explain the intensity of that trip and how much I wanted to be dead rather than deal with what was going through my mind....

The part of the mind unlocked when you're over stimmed on psychs is what I imagine hell to be

I'll echo that; my worst LSD experience to date was due to me stupidly being awake for several days eating copious amounts of speed and than having a microdot in the wrong setting with no friends around. I was a mental wreck for months afterwards. I've made the mistake once and won't be repeating it.

Candy flipping, on the other hand

 

[chemi]

chemi would you take the pills 90mins after having the tab or 90mins after the tab kicks in?

About 180 minutes after eating the tab. I don't feel the LSD effect much before around 60-90 minutes. That's just me anyway. Click here for an Erowid article on MDMA/LSD timing.

 

[PsiloSubNaut]

I'll echo that; my worst LSD experience to date was due to me stupidly being awake for several days eating copious amounts of speed and than having a microdot in the wrong setting with no friends around. I was a mental wreck for months afterwards. I've made the mistake once and won't be repeating it.

Candy flipping, on the other hand

It's not fun at all

May I also add that you don't have to be awake for days for this combo to take you out.

Just the stimulation+psych combo is enough to send you into a hell bad trip

Sleep deprivation or not