Specific Kratom intake withdrawal

[kratomfan]

Hello folks. First post. Long time reader. I'm interested in kratom withdrawals. All the thread about the subject are not specific.

So all the people you know that have had withdrawals, here are some questions...

How much were you taking?
What kind of kratom?
Leaf or extract?
What type of extract?
What type of leaf?
For how long?
How many times a day and what dosage?
How long did withdrawal last for you?

I think this info should be made available. Again, yes... There are a lot of kratom withdrawal threads but nothing specific.

Thanks

 

[pr0d1gy]

A few years ago I used plain leaf Bali kratom for about 5 months almost daily. I probably averaged 15 grams a day. Withdrawal was apparent very quickly after stopping use. It wasn't anywhere near as bad as true opiate withdrawal but the character was certainly present. The most apparent physical effects were severe restless leg syndrome at night and insomnia. After about five days things were less intense but RLS was still irritating.

 

[kratomfan]

That's exactly what SWIM is taking (plain leaf bali kratom). It's only been a month though of daily intake. SWIM is thinking about taking a break to avoid withdrawal.

 

[kratomfan]

Anyone else?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

currently stopped

Just going thru the situation although as the moment was coming I did a quick taper.

How much were you taking? +25 gr a day
What kind of kratom? Type was Borneo red vein and green Malay
Leaf or extract? powdered leaf
What type of extract?
What type of leaf?
For how long? very long
How many times a day and what dosage? at least 4 times a day till right before sleeping
How long did withdrawal last for you? haven't noticed any withdrawal yet yesterday was at 2x 2,5 gr today 1 x 2,5 gr maybe

Negative symptoms is reoccuring lower back pain, sleepiness, mild craving, restlessness.

Other times I tapered my kratom way better then this time and no withdrawal was noticed.
Then again I always stopped before my kratom was finished unlike this time.
Will give you an update in a dew days how it went, are you going thru something similar.
Or doing a risk evaluation concerning addictiveness of Kratom?

 

[emkee_reinvented]

That's exactly what SWIM is taking (plain leaf bali kratom). It's only been a month though of daily intake. SWIM is thinking about taking a break to avoid withdrawal.

Before you continue, policy of the site is not to use SWIM or furry pets as cover. We know you took it no big deal certainly not incriminating of any sorts.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

promised update esp 4 kratomfan

Keep in mind that previous to this cessation of Kratom I was in bad health.
9 Weeks ago I got the flue bad and after that I was in and out of colds like infections lasting up till today.
So these symptoms are present added to the withdrawal which are hard to seperate.

After my last post I felt sleep come up on akward times which could not be resisted.
Had goose bumbs during day and night and was very slow, fatiqued and unmotivated.
No sleeping problems however on this day accept extreme shivers.
Managed to go to a great event on day 2 with my kid, kept my mind completely off any bad feelings cold or withdrawal.
Made the mistake on day 2 and 3 to eat garlic resulting in sleeplessness, this is commun to me.
Sleep can only be forced with Kratom/ sleepaids/ ..., so that was a bad choice.

 

[Dexed]

How much are you taking? My current rate is 10-15g a day, and is steadily climbing. Past history of opiate addiction with ~1 year recovery time from an average of 300mg daily CWE'd hydrocodone, and unfortunately Kratom spoiled that. Hydro was cheaper in bulk, why not?
What kind of kratom? Regular Bali
Leaf or extract? Leaf
What type of leaf? Powdered "Ultra Premium" Leaf
For how long? 6 months overall, 3 months of daily use.
How many times a day and what dosage? 5-8g 2x a day via tea (w/o straining leaf) or a lazier toss and wash.
How long did withdrawal last for you? I've yet to ride it out all the way to determine that figure. But, when going without any opioids/kratom for 3 days last month or so, I was hit with moderate withdrawals. Much more than expected.

Each dose holds me off for 8-10h depending on absorbtion rates.

Day 1: Runny eyes/nose, mild sweating, restlessness/anxiety, heightened drug craving, insomnia, RLS, lack of motivation, small ache in body past t+20h. 12 hours after my last dose is when the fun truly starts.

Day 2: Hot/cold flashes, nausea, physical pain+weakness, zero focus or drive to do things, exacerbated sleep paralysis, cognitive deficits, noticeable tremor, increased HR/BP/respiratory rate of course, and at this point feelings of anxiety and depression are ever so intense.

Day 3: Intensity peaked to a 5/10 in the 'opiate withdrawal scale' before my mail arrived, not too shabby. - 1/10 IMO would be stopping after a week of 15-30mg/day oral hydrocodone in divided doses, while a 10/10 could be compared to a user's experience stopping cold turkey after more than a year of opiate dependency, with current daily doses equivalent to more than 200mg IV morphine, or 750mg oral oxycodone. Call me crazy, but I've met a few fentanyl junkies who reach or exceed these marks all the time. I'm sure plenty of others in the game have as well.



I'm still very much dependent on Kratom, but would rather cling tight to simple Kratom leaf instead of picking up where I left off...physically addicted to Lyrica/benzos/booze, opioids, amphetamines (heavy psychological dependency), synthetic cannabinoids, and of course cigarettes. Not again, oh please.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

7 days later now, had an sleepless night again yesterday. while stupidly boozing myself with beer.
normally at least you sleep on alcohol but not me this time.

If these are withdrawals symptoms, or personal problems coming to the surface is not entirely clear.
but the latter suggest when the kratom blanket is lifted you could be confronted with unsolved matters.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I'm still very much dependent on Kratom, but would rather cling tight to simple Kratom leaf instead of picking up where I left off...physically addicted to Lyrica/benzos/booze, opioids, amphetamines (heavy psychological dependency), synthetic cannabinoids, and of course cigarettes. Not again, oh please.

very true and perfectly worded. Kratom has the ability to satisfy without sacrefising your life.

 

[generic username]

How much were you taking? Between 3g 2xday and 5g 2xday, did about 13g first time the day I got it
What kind of kratom? 56g Powdered GVT and 5g some AMAZING 10x FSP (nodsville)
Leaf or extract? Both
What type of extract? 10% Full Spectrum Powder
What type of leaf? Powdered Green Vein Thai
For how long? All over 10-11 days straight
How many times a day and what dosage? 1-3xday, usually 2
How long did withdrawal last for you? 2 days of feeling like I had a horrible flu and body aches, 2 more days of residual stomach problems and etc.. Felt like I was coming off amps and opies while getting punched by Mike Tyson, but I'm totally going to order a shit ton more. Annihilated my 6 year straight heavy pot tolerance with NO break at all, it was like smoking mad weed for the first time all over again. Definately worthy of adding to the herb cabinet.

 

[Sagulations]

One time, 12g dosage of bali kratom, great euphoria, and plenty of nodding. Feels good.
Next time, same dose, +3g for tolerance. Nothing. Mostly nausea and indigestion.
Third time, same as second time.
Fourth time, there was no fourth time...only Zuul. (ghostbusters :I)
joking aside i thought kratom's ratio of intake/effectiveness was just to imbalanced, and a large waste of money.

 

[generic username]

^^ Sounds like you're taking way more than you should. Most quality strains are very active between 3-7g depending on method and personal factors and I've also noticed a few times with mine that more does not = more/better effects. In fact I've noticed that for me a 9-10g dose is about the most I can take before I hit that line and start getting sick instead. Kratom is a very interesting and unique plant with a whole plethora of alkaloids that include stimulants, opiate agonist/antagonist and calcium channel blocking effects as well as ones that remain unknown/unstudied. Quality of leaf plays a big part in the experience though so you need to find a GOOD vendor.

It can also be hard to tell if you're really feeling it until you have an idea how Kratom comes on and is supposed to feel. Since it has a long come up it's fairly common for me to get caught up in something and not notice that I'm actually feeling it until speedy part goes 3-4hrs and the opiate-like waves kick in. It reminds of low dose methadone or valium with the way it takes a while to get steam but then leaves you with a nice long buzz that can go into the next day.