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Spasms and twitches 1 month after really strong MDMA crystals

Hello Savior999

Also good to see FBC back on here always a pleasure to read your posts :-)

Heres just a few things that you might like to chew over prior to your new trip to London. Please be aware all this is only friendly advice there is no preaching going on here.

If you are buying MDMA / E in London Uk be aware many pills over here now contain BZP. From my own experience this is a really nasty chemical particularly if you mix it with MDMA.

Based on your last pattern of purchase you had MDMA powder + pills. This could be a good method to create that awful mixture.

I would advise to have either the pills or the powder unless you know exactly what is in the pills dont mix the two.

BZP on its own is not great but a lot better than mixed with MDMA.

I noticed you also ask advice about drinking whilst on MDMA. To be honest I have had energy drinks, soda, water and alcohol whilst being on mdma and never had an awful reaction from this. That said I would advise you against alcohol and in an ideal world also advise you against energy drinks that contain caffeine such as red bull monster etc.

To be the peter perfect in pill taker I think it would be a reasonable supply of cool water. Remember your senses get a little hazey during MDMA intoxication so sometimes it is advisable to drink even when your desired thirst is telling you otherwise. I am not saying drink loads and loads of water but just something that is reasonable.

I am sure you learnt your lesson from before but keep the dose down the classic amount on here seems to be about 200mG. This equates to approx 2 reasonable pills. In the case of MDMA powder its a little more difficult to work out I might suggest something like a couple of reasonable dabs but this depends on many things such as the cut if any, how crystaline, how big your fingers are etc etc. Its easier to OD on powder than pills due to this problem but I think common sense and caution is the key.

One other point to mention from experience is that if I am carrying say a 1g wrap of MDMA there is a tendancy as one gets more wasted to dab amounts that your less in control of. Maybe you could carrry a little less this way there is no danger of a repeat of your last awful experience.

Regards to your question about 5 day festivals and redosing. So easy to preach this but less easy to practice as I have been to several festivals and been out of my mind for several days on E, alcohol and a whole birthday cake of intoxication.

In reality I really got my fingers burnt from this once as I took a coctail of MDMA and BZP and ended up on a 6 month come down of anxiety that was just awful. Come downs from these festivals even before this experience were sometimes painful such as 10 day come downs, headaches, depression, strong metalic taste in mouth the list goes on. I think if I look back my body has always been telling me this is way too much and as I got older the after experience just got worse and worse. These sessions definitely caused me some permanent neurotoxity.

As advice for these festivals I would recommend only one night on E and try and spread the other days out on different things such as drink, weed and maybe just some straight days. Ideally the drink and weed prior to the E. I do accept this is so easy to say LOL.

In reality its so difficult to advise someone on what to actually take. As despite taking any precaution each time you take any of this stuff as you know only too well there is still a huge risk. In some ways its better to just point out the dangers and to point out the preventative measures you can take and then allow the user to make the ultimate decisions.

One final point for you to consider. After suffering a 6 month come down I made the fatal error to go out again two years later on a pill and MDMA binge and here I am 9 months later this time suffering from derealisation, anxiety, panic attacks, paranoia etc. From my own personal experience I think if you have already experienced some kind of come down beyond normal ie above 6 days in your case 1 month I am 100% sure you definitely did some kind of damage to your brain. On this basis please be super careful when going out there and feeding your body the same kind of chemicals again. I must make it clear I am not preaching to you but just making sure you dont have to experience what I am going through as it is truly a living nightmare.

If I had my time again despite all the amazing times I have had on this drug I would definitely opt not to have taken it at all. As in my experience the bad times have out weighed the good times. I realise this is not the case for everyone but MDMA for sure has the potential to be very dangerous.

Have a safe time in London watch out for BZP pills they are lethal and besides make you feel like shit they are everywhere.

Have a fun and safe trip. I am so happy to here you were lucky enough to fully recover.

Futura x
 
Thanks a lot futura for your comprehensive and very clear analysis and experience.

I didn't know BZP was so common these times in London...luckily i have ordered and received yesterday the marquis testing kit here in Rome...but i don't know how to carry it to London, i don't want to risk to fly with it, even if i could put it in the bag that i check in.

Do you think if i send it to a friend of mine in London he/she risks something? As far as i know the pill testing kit is legal in U.K. Or do you have any clue on how i could get one there around 15 august? I am willing to pay even more if anyone can sell a test to me! please PM me if interested.

At least i could test it beforehand and if i see the reagent fizzing and without color change then it's BZP and i will not take it.

Ok i understood it's better not mixing pills and powder...i won't do it..unless i got a pill and a powder that go dark purple/black, so they both should have MDMA. But i guess i will have either one or the other. If i find a pill and test it successfully, i will take another one and that's it.

For what concerns drinking actually i was thinking about it the other day and i generally am not so interested in alcohol once i am rolling. I always have my small bottle of water and frequently zip from it, without drinking too much cuz i know u can get intoxicated also by too much water, that's why FBC suggested electrolytes i guess.

I also guess i will never go to a multi-day festival, I know i could not stand staying there smoking or having ketamine or opiates...i am more a one night stand guy :)

And i thank god that websites like this one exist. I've just understood the meaning of 'binge' and i will never do that again.

And i must say i am a very lucky guy...ten years ago when i was living in london (for 10 months), i used to rave almost every weekend, and never tested any pill, used to sniff base/speed and didn't know about binging nor pillreports, nor this website. I guess I also binged sometimes but did not have any really bad comedown. Luckily i am healthy and safe and want to keep being this way.

And i really hope you will recover soon, don't be negative, we are a perfect machine, and brain does not get permanently damaged, it recovers miracolously even from the worst of the hits, trust me! It sounds like yours is just a psychological disorder.

What helped me a lot was yoga, a particular meditation very easy to do that is studied specifically for shocks of body and mind http://www.yogibhajan.org/ybkriyas/index.php?id=92 i used to feel healing shivers down my spine and my brain doing it. Then a lot of sport, and melatonin to sleep.

cheers for now, take care!
 
Hello Savior

Yeah BZP is a bitch. You can often spot it on the basis the pills are very well pressed and shiny but like with everything this isnt the B all and end all to spot it. For me its a lethal combination when mixed with MDMA.

Re the legality of a pill testing kit I assume that they are legal in UK but I dont know for sure. The only thing I would say is if you get caught with a pill testing kit coming through customs sure as eggs is eggs you will get a grilling from customs. I might advise you get one once you are here. I dont live in London but I am sure they are easy to get there.

I think sometimes mixing MDMA powder with pills can be a good experience. I remember the good old days when you had pills that had a combo of MDEA and MDMA and that was an experience for sure. The problem you are faced with is you just had a bad experience 12 months ago and I think you need to be 100% sure that what you are taking someting that you know what it is. Particularly when mixing stuff. Thats my 2 cents anyway :-)

I think FBCs suggestion of the electrolytes is a good one!

This website / forum has been an amazing learning curve for me also. Whilst in the pits of despair last year reading some of the posts on here gave me hope way beyond what the average doctor has told me. Whilst I am still in recovery I now have enough energy to help people with support also so its always a pleasure to read and interact with people on here. FBC is a legend I always love reading his posts although not everyone loves his style. Sometimes the debates are fun also :-)

"And i must say i am a very lucky guy...ten years ago when i was living in london (for 10 months), i used to rave almost every weekend, and never tested any pill, used to sniff base/speed and didn't know about binging nor pillreports, nor this website. I guess I also binged sometimes but did not have any really bad comedown. Luckily i am healthy and safe and want to keep being this way."

I did exactly the same thing in my early 20s and although soon after I thought the same thing I reckon these binges do actually cause us long term damage and in many cases we dont realise it.

Its only in later life things start to materialise. Now I am 38 my memory has been hit bad and definitely cognotive function affected. I am far less smarter / sharper than I used to be before taking Es etc. The fact you have had a one month come down indicates to me you might have done some damage. Nothing that perhaps is noticable but all I am saying is be careful MDMA is a neurotoxin for sure I am 100% convinced of this. I know some will disagree but if you proceed with caution this has to be the best way to go if you catch my drift.

Thanks for the positive comments about recovery. I guess all long term come downs are psychological disorders correct? Yoga I have tried a bit of and so far so good. As my recovery gets better I will try it more for sure. Melatonin I have tried and not really had great results with it. Sleep has definitely been a big problem since this episode started. Serotonin related I am sure. I think once my sleep returns a lot of the symptoms will dissolve.

I will stay positive many of the comments from people on this forum have helped me stay positive. Some of the earlier days were simply dark dark dark.

Anyway enough rambling safe trip my friend enjoy London.

Futura x
 
Ok dude, many thanks...re the test kit, i called the hostel and they told me i can receive letters there, so before going i will send a letter with the kit. Problem solved.

On saturday I knew there was a party here in Rome, with Trance music, and here they are like gold to be found so i decided to go. Found some MD, wanted to try a little just to remove my fear and enjoy the roll in London without worries... tested it with Marquis and it seemed very good, reagent went dark blue/purple almost immediately. I bought what supposedly was .2 (maybe it was less), it was greyish, rocky but with some crushed powder too, don’t know if it was cut or if that powder was just MD that got crushed. I got a little bit more than half of it. Considering it is never 100% pure, i can presumably say i got around 75mg at maximum.

At 1 am i drank it, mixing it in the water. At 2 i started feeling it come up and and had a moment of almost strong hit as i used in the past, but at that moment i started being a little worried fearing i would have had again problems sleeping, music was not so good as the one i love, speakers were really shitty and people not really the best...so it never really give me a great come up...it might have been also the low dosage... this was nothing compared to my last 1 gram dose.

So at the end i had just a couple of hours of good energy and a bit of empathy, but really not so happy and friend with the world as i would have liked ...then i started feeling tired. At 6 am i went to sleep. I had just a couple of small muscular twitches but then slept very well until 12. Then slept again in the afternoon. At night before falling asleep a small twitch made me worry a little but then slept without any problem, like a baby. But why these twitches happen? anybody has them after rolling?

Now i feel still a bit dizzy, but i know this feeling, and know it will pass in the next few days.

On 18 I have the party in London...I know many people suggest to wait at least 3 weeks or a month, but considering the low dosage i took, I hope 2 weeks will be enough to recover, even if not 100%...i cannot miss it anyway, it’s all organized, and no refunds are possible. Will start taking 5 HTP today just to help my serotonin levels to increase.

Do you think i will be safe? Of course, i will test it and take a normal dosage. Was thinking 120mg, then 60mg at T+2.

And no, i don’t think that long term come downs are all psychological, mine for example looked really physical, as even if i was relaxed and calm, the twitches would come anyway...so i think you should not worry at all mate. I am almost 36 and yes, my memory too is really bad, but i don’t feel less smart than before (well today a little, yes :) )

Take care mate
 
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hello savior

"Do you think i will be safe?"

Sorry it would be unfair and unacurate to try and answer this question.

But you have your test kit, you are keeping a close eye on dosage. Two week recovery isnt ideal but I have certainly redosed after two weeks in my life so I doubt anything will go wrong. I dont recommend it but only you can make this decision. For sure taking 5htp now until then will help.

Personally now having experienced two long term comedowns my drug taking days are over but I am sure if I was more aware of the MDMA dangers before getting into it 18 years ago I may still be indulging.

The twitches you describe I get just before I fall asleep but this is something I have had now for a while maybe 10 years or so. I dont know if this is from long term MDMA use. It never used to get worse when I was actually on MDMA.

Something I did get recently was a thing called tics. This is an involuntary muscle movement in my arms and legs. These are not nice the cause for me was when I was trying out tryscyclic antidepresants which I have stopped taking now.

I think for me the long term comedowns have been caused by me having a really bad reaction to BZP combined with MDMA. I dont think they are just in my mind. I have had many MDMA sessions before this without problems like this. I notice there are a few other people out there who have had similiar problems with BZP mixed with MDMA. This mix for me just causes a horrible imbalance in my head and I experience paranoia, awful anxiety, insomnia, feeling of emptyness, generally depressed. Not nice fortunately I got out of this once before so am confident it will eventually go away.

For me the mistake I made was once I had experienced one long term comedown I decided to continue taking drugs. This for me was a mistake. The first 6 month comedown was clearly a warning sign and I made the poor decision to ignore it. How long this current comedown is going to last for I dont know.

I live in hope.

Enjoy your trip be safe.
 
Last night i took 5HTP around 20:30 and when i went to sleep at 23, i started feeling a weird sensation in the back part of my brain, like some shivers (pleasant actually), and when i relaxed my body, i got a tic/twitch, a quite strong involuntary muscle movement, starting from my neck, again. Then i started feeling my neck stiff, as when u take ecstasy and u r waiting for it to come up, it reminded me how i was last year, despite in a lighter way. I tried to relax, but got more tics, in my arms, legs, hands...got at least 20 of them (every 5 minutes more or less, or better, everytime i was about to go in sleep mode) and started worrying. I could not sleep until 1 am. I then took some melatonin and at around 2/2:30 i managed to sleep.

Is 5HTP a stimulant and should not be taken before going to sleep? Or could this be because of the MD i got on saturday night? but then why last night i had tics and sunday night i didn't ? (actually i had a a few but really light, last night i had more frequent, and stronger).

Tonight i will see how it goes, will not take 5HTP. If i still get these tics, i think i will give up the idea of rolling again, this could be a very clear signal .

I have like the impression that when my brain recreates serotonin, i got these symptoms, but i am not an expert, i do not
know how to explain it from a chemical, medical point of view....First Bad Comedown point of view could be useful here.

Will keep you posted. Any point of view on this is welcome anyway.

Cheers
 
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Hello Savior

You can rightly rule out the 5HTP being the culprit by trying a night without it. I personally take 5HTP at night and never get these effects. 20.30 - 23 seems to me like a short time to get from ingesting to be broken down and then feeling it in the back of your head but I could be wrong.

tics are definitely caused by messages being sent from the brain. I get them and they are horrible. I never used to get them before having this horrible MDMA related long term come down. For me I am 100% sure MDMA has been a cause of the tics.

I am not sure why the tics are happeing for you right now but clearly they are stressing you out. There could well be a link to the MDMA recently taken so definitely keep a close monitor on it.

If I were in your position I would definitly consider giving up as you have already had one nasty long come down. When I ignored my 6 month come down and carried on with the MDMA I got another long term come down 2years later this time harder and longer. Once I recover from this then MDMA and all other illicit drugs are out of the question for me. The question I asked myself is why take the riak anymore? The pros for me out weigh the cons.

Like you I am not 100% sure on what is happening to you right now lets hope FBC or someone with abetter understanding steps in.

Keep us posted on updates. How did you get on without the 5HTP?

Futura
 
I guess you are right mate, I think it's definitely connected to MDMA, as i had them also the day before and i did not take 5HTP. Also i read that some people use it to help sleeping so it shouldn't be the cause.

Yes, i think i agree with you, that the pros outweigh the cons and i am definitely thinking of giving it up.

What do you mean with "How did you get on without the 5HTP?". Last night it was the first time i ever took it. Just because now i know about serotonin replenishing etc...before i didn;t know anything about this, but i could cope with the come downs without problems...i mean, i got a bit of depression but i was used to it and knew it would pass...i am even more convinced now that our brain doesn't need anything to recover, it does an excellent job by himself.
 
hello savior

Sorry I didnt word that so well. I meant by "How did you get on without 5HTP" to go ahead and try a night without 5HTP and see if you still get the tics.

Looks like you still get them minus the 5htp. Oh dear

There is an argument that if you damage your neurons which MDMA does particularly at high dose then increasing your Serotonin supply using a precursor such as 5HTP has little or no effect. FBC argues this point very well and when you think about it it makes total sense.

Currently I do take 5HTP everyday for the last 6 months and it has had little effect for me. Very likely my neurons are damaged hence the 5htp having no effect.

If you are making that decision to quit the only thing I can add is if you do get one of these really bad comedowns like the one I am experiencing your in for a nasty shock. I can only describe it as living a nightmare. A total feeling of emptyness, no motivation, no zest for life. I used to be such a different person energetic, fun enthusiastic. It is only now that I appreciate what I actually had and would have given up every MDMA experience I ever had to feel my old self again.

I cannot guarantee you that you can never enjoy MDMA safely again but if you have had one long term comedown and are currently getting tics after taking it again. Maybe this is a message..

Thats my thoughts on it anyway. Personally I think each time you take MDMA it does a little bit of damage each time. Depending on how you use it depends on the amount of damage. In one report I read online MDMA is a subtle and progressive poison. This is how I view it.

I realise all this is a very debatable topic. Some dont share this opinion of MDMA. At the end of the day only you can be the judge.

Keep us posted on how your current recovery develops.

Futura
 
hi savior and futura,

regarding the 5-htp - i am no expert on this but i'd advise against taking it, because it bypasses the natural synthesis of tryptophan=> 5htp=> serotonin. while i can't find a study, there are rumors of it beeing cardiotoxic in long term use because the serotonin levels are raised in the bloodstream.

we don't even know for sure if low levels of serotonin are the culprit for the long term comedowns.

in my experience there are no magic supplements that will help your brain recover, it just takes time and a lot of confidence that it will - though it's never a bad idea to take antioxidants like vitamin, green tea, turmeric etc.

savior, please don't do x for a long time, your brain is already giving you signals that it does not want to. trust me, you don't wanna wake up everyday with headaches and a zombie like mind state for months, it's not worth it.

best of luck to you.
 
Ok last night i did not take 5HTP, took camomilla tea and went to bed at 11. Got some more mild tics, at least 10 in half an hour. So i took melatonin and around midnight i was sleeping.
Considering the intensity and frequency of twitches, and the amount of MD i took compared to the previous time, i presume they will last around a week maximum...not worth for 2 hours of not even intense rolling.

I canceled my trip to london, don't want to take anymore x, at least not now.

The good thing is that now i know they will go away with time. The first time i was f...ing scared, i was imagining living like that for the entire life, it would be a real nightmare. That's why i think i will not do it again now.

Maybe i could try one more time in some months, but if i have the same effects i will give it up for good.
 
Hello Cope Cheers for the input

Hello Savior

So in summary you have had one bad comedown, your currently still getting tics after another small dose, you have had to cancel your trip to London.

Reading in your post you were f..king scared.

Surely there has to be a message here??

Not that I think this will happen but imagine a scenario where if you take MDMA again the tics dont go? Personally if I were you I would hang up the towel on this. Yes rolling is a lot of fun. but.. there is so much more to life. I ignored my first long term come down and am really paying the price. Some times I am suicidal its just awful. Please read the signs they are obvious to me.

What ever you choose we are always here for you and will always support you. This forum is full of really good people who will always help what ever happens but please please please you really need to think about your choice to take more.

What ever you choose you have to give yourself a long rest.

take it easy keep us posted on how things develop.

Futura
 
FBC, your posts are inspiring. Thank you so much for taking the time to educate yourself, and in turn, the rest of us. I used to browse this forum anonymously for quite some time, and seeing a post of yours appear in a thread always excited me because I knew I was about to read something pertinent, informed and of course useful. Again, thanks for that.

OP, I have experienced a situation like yours. When I first started rolling, I got my hands on some Molly that was not as strong as the ones I had taken my first few times. I was unaware of the effects of the drug, and dosed pretty high (650~mg). The week that followed was best described as annoying. Brain zaps at night, dizziness, loss of balance, lack of motivation. etc. The effects did subside in the end, after about 10 days, but I learned a very valuable lesson. I discovered BL as a result, and took a 6 month break from the drug, accumulating as much knowledge as I could. I cannot provide the in depth breakdown that FirstBadComedown can, but I can tell you that educating yourself on the drug is the most empowering thing you can do for yourself. Buy a testing kit. Limit your doses. Space out your rolls. We are not invincible, and MDxx is dangerous. Hearing from a 'reputable source' that a batch of Molly is 'safe and pure' is worth absolutely nothing. When it comes to putting a dangerous substance into your body, never leave that to hearsay.

I sincerely hope you everything sorted out. I was scared, just like you. Now, I've learned to roll responsibly and I appreciate my rolls so much more. Take a long break, and perhaps test again 6-12 months down the road with a much safer dose (80-100mg) and see how you feel. until then, keep your body healthy and have a speedy recovery.

RF
 
Thanks a lot for your precious inputs Cope, Futura and RageFace.

Last night a few more mild tics, but seems improving. Smoked also some hashish that i guess relaxes the muscles and should help.

@cope: as u suggested, I definitely am not going to take 5HTP anymore, at the moment i am taking Vitamin C, Gingko, Magnesium, green tea and doing yoga and sport, i guess this is the best approach to recover for me, then everybody is different. Also taking melatonin which btw is the best antioxidant ever...if taken in large doses it rejuvenates! it stopped my hair from falling off :)

@futura: " imagine a scenario where if you take MDMA again the tics dont go?" i must admit i have thought about it, and was hoping someone would raise that point and convince me :)
I know, the decision at this stage should be obvious, and my last roll should also help me, cuz the positive sides were not so good as to make me want to do it again. But if i think about my previous rolls when everything went fine and rolling was solid, it is hard...i know....i am addicted in my mind :( for sure i will take a loooong rest and will try not to think about it anymore and try to find other interests. Maybe i will not feel the need to do it anymore in the future. At the end, if I cannot roll more than once a month...what would my life be like? always waiting for that night to come? That is not good. And the thought of having those spasms for my entire life is awful. I had promised that if i recovered from last year I would never had done that again...I guess i should renew my promise and this time stick to it.
(i tried to send u a PM but your mailbox is full...can u make some space?)

@RageFace: yeah u right, FBC is an invaluable source of information and a great man if you allow me... i regret not having known him and BL before, i would have avoided a lot of problems, and maybe now i could roll occasionally without problems. But what is done is done.
You too btw got quite a good amount, uh? how old were u when u took 650mg and how old are u now? Did u have also tics and twitches when going to bed? And how are your rolls now that (i presume) you use more relaxed doses compared to the 650mg ones?

These days i should also try to avoid alcohol. After last MD, like last year (but less visible) i get a very strange headache, like a loss of balance as RF said, when i drink.

Will let you all know when i am good again, hopefully by the end of the week.

Take care
 
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you are welcome savior,

your plan seems to be solid in terms of recovering and enjoying life without molly, glad you made that choice.

all the best and keep us updated on your progress. :)
 
Hello Savior

I know what your saying about giving up the rolls. amazing times for sure.

Please ignore me if I sound like I am ever preaching I just dont want people to have to go through what I am going through thats all.

I have cleared my in box now so feel free to send a message anytime.

All the best from me also.
 
Savior,

Yeah, it was a much higher dose than anyone should take, I have only ever had a dose like that once. Approx 18months have passed since the incident, I am now 23yrs old. I don't recall having many tics and twitches in bed, but I do VIVIDLY remember that the brain zaps became extremely intense as the day went on, and when I would lie in bed they would become unbearable. I would get that sudden feeling that I was free falling, accompanied by a loud ringing noise in my ears. I'm sure you've felt the same.

One thing that I feel contributed to my quick recovery was exercise.. I am extremely fitness oriented and work out 5-6x a week. Try to force yourself to do the same if you can.. start slow, and increase the intensity gradually over time if you can. It might help you too! Others have mentioned hydration / high potassium intake as well, I agree with this. I like coconut water a lot, it's very potassium rich.

As for my rolls now.. I have not had a bad comedown since that incident. I have since that day never ingested more than 200mg in a single day (usually I will take 100-150mg), and have allowed 6-8weeks (or more) in between my rolls. My comedowns are always very easy, no more zaps, no more dizziness, and I really appreciate the magic I feel much more.

My advice? Learn to go to raves and enjoy being sober (smoke a little weed maybe , provided it doesn't trigger any negative side effects). Find the magic in the culture (It's everywhere!!), feed off the energy of other people.. It's really easy once you learn how. after that point, it'll be much easier to look at rolling like a special treat that you can indulge in once in a while rather than a necessary piece of the raving puzzle.

I'm very happy to hear that you're taking all the steps in the right direction. you seem to have it sorted out. Be careful to not give in to the temptation and roll again too soon. Give yourself time. My comedown was much less severe than yours and I waited 6 months. Perhaps a full year would be more suitable.. Or even indefinitely if you decide to make that choice. I support that decision, you're journeying down a long path toward recovery. That may not be what you want to hear, but it's time to play it safe. Like you, I learned that we are not in fact invincible and that playing with a highly dangerous substance like MDMA requires care.

We all know how strong the desire is to redose once you've taken MDMA. You know what makes it easiest for me? I look at the people around me - especially the people I know - who continually dose 300+mg a night, every weekend. I realize what's going to happen to them if they continue abusing the drug, and it reminds me to stay grounded. I remember why I'm at the rave.. The culture. The music. The connections I make with people. I'm not there for the drugs. You shouldn't be either. Remember that!

Fingers crossed for you my friend, if you ever have any more questions about my experience, feel free to ask :) keep us posted!

RF
 
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Thanks RF for the clarifications...actually i have never had loud ringing noise in my ears...is that the brain zap? what i had, and still have unfortunately, is some involuntary muscular twitches/tics, when i go to bed (maybe i could have some also during the day but i don't realize cuz i am active and moving and they are not so intense, at night they are much more noticeable).
Last night though, i noticed that it could be a brain zap, in the sense that, it usually starts from the back of my neck/lower part of brain and it feels like a sudden zap..and it causes my whole spine or just a limb to jump. Sometimes i have just limbs jumping, without the brain part.

During the last nights i managed to sleep with a bit of struggle, always with melatonin...but 3 nights ago i did the mistake of drinking coffee at 9 pm (i ususally dont drink coffee) and at night it was much worse, many more tics, so i took 10 drops of bromazepam (lexotan) which helped. Last night i did not take coffee but my girlfriend made me nervous...and i had quite a few tics as well...so i took another 10 drops.

I am getting more and more worried now because it's 10 days now, and hoped it would last less.
Do you guys think it will eventually end?

Was thinking of taking Clonazepam (Klonopin/rivotril) if it does not improve. but it's very strong and would not want to become addicted to it.

Also is smoking weed a good idea or could it make it worse? Cuz i am smoking almost everyday, but trying to avoid alcohol.

If i manage to get over this, i will never do E again, for sure.
 
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hi saviour,

you should definitely go for complete sobriety. weed does not help. i even got a panic attack from smoking it on my first long term comedown. your brain is struggling to rebalance itself. even if it is the hard way, try to avoid anything that alters your mindstate.

let your brain work it out on its own. its a miracle organ capable of doing it. you have to sit it out - its the fastest route to recovery.

exercise really hard daily !

you are at day 10, that is not long in terms of recovery.

best of luck to you !
 
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