Hi I have been using tramadol as a painkiller i plan on using for 2 weeks but because of my ex massive kratom addiction (the two have a cross tolerance) my tolerance is enormous and it takes me 600mg to get an effect. Why space would you recommend between dosing this high a dose. I read it can lower the seizure threshold thts why I ask
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That amount could be enough to induce seizures, sure.
You will be safer taking a benzo with it rather than spacing doses. Anyway, tram half life is about 6 to 8 hours, meaning that after that time your body does eliminate half of the dose, so after that time you still have 300 mg in your system. The obvious answer is that the longer you wait, the better. I would not redose before 12 to 16 hours after last dose
You will be safer taking a benzo with it rather than spacing doses. Anyway, tram half life is about 6 to 8 hours, meaning that after that time your body does eliminate half of the dose, so after that time you still have 300 mg in your system. The obvious answer is that the longer you wait, the better. I would not redose before 12 to 16 hours after last dose
Do you require 600mg for any effective pain relief?
What are you going to do after two weeks?
If you're just using for pain relief and only for 14 days, you might consider trying to spend the second week lowering the dose each day. I say that because tramadol can cause some rebound discomfort (both mentally and physically) and if you do 600mg every day for two weeks and then just stop suddenly, you might have a rough time or end up back on kratom or something.
To add to the excellent posts above me, which if i were you i would strongly consider and basically heed advice you were given, as it's good .Could you answer a couple of questions, because something does not add up for me. How much kratom have you been taking in grams during one day? What is your purpose here, what i mean is your planning to use Tramadol as a painkiller for two weeks only and you've started at 600 mg? Why two weeks only ? Are you using tramadol as an aid to withdraw from kratom? Are you using it as a stop-gap before you get something better for your pain? Or is it for pleasure? Oh and how long time have you stopped kratom before? Have you done tramadol before?
Too much unknowns to give you concrete advice at this point, but in general you are above the seizure threshold. I know what are you getting at with spacing the doses, but imho it is highly anecdotal and highly personalized, ie. i for example due to tolerace etc have used even higher doses and i almost always space my doses in various time-intervals and i haven't had a seizure yet. Did i have at least 4 really close calls .. Yes. My point is that i got lucky, my tolerance to tramadol is/was up to the roof and still i might have a seizure. I remember a couple of posts from this forum of ppl who used for example for 3-4 years, haven't had a seizure, spaced their doses and still had a seizure at some point. It's a risk which if you go above 400 mg will always be there imho. Let's say you take 600 mg, space the dose so you take 100 mgs every hour, so to oversimplify things lets say the half life of tramadol is 6 hours, so by the time you take your last 100 mgs, there's still 550 mgs of tramadol in your system. You will also make the duration of the effects longer that way which for example can fuck up your sleep scheldue (believe me been through it many times). Is it safer than gulping down all the 600 mgs at once, maybe but it isnt a foolproof method to not get a seizure.
As you started doing it anyway, i would broke up that 600 mg ( but first ask yourself do you really need that big of a dose) into 2 x 300 mg. Dose you're first 300 mg after you wake up, dose it anytime between 30 mins - 1 hour ( with 1 hour being the more 'safer' method). Then after your last dose of the morning wait somewhere between 6-8 hours and do same dosing between 30 min - 1h( but be aware that it adds that complexity that may mess up your sleep scheldue) . If you have an access to a benzo, even a small amount with or before your dosing would in a way act as your insurance against the seizure risk.
My only problem is this that for whatever purpose you are using the tramadol, i see that it could easily escalate into dosing more and more and you would end up on a 900 mg a day (as starting on 600 mg is a lot). Add to that a benzo and let's you say you like the effects too much and from there it all snowballs into a bigger problem and it's not worth it. If i am asuming something inappropriate and you truly plan to use it only for two weeks and then stop, then i'm sorry. But if you are using it as an withdrawal aid or a stop gap between getting some other drug or kratom, i would reconsider your dose. You don't need to be high or feel pleasure etc. Try lowering your dose up to a point, where you just feel okay and functional, you could try 400 mgs for starters. If you are using it for pleasure then basically no can predict will you have or won't have a seizure. I feel like the risk will always exist if you go above 400mg. Using a benzo or pregabalin could mitigate that, but of course you could get dependent on them. That's also a risk. Tread carefully. If You space your doses, pay close attention to your body, if you do feel good at a certain point, stop at that and dont redose. Believe me when i tell you that there's risk involved and the reward for that risk ain't that great , so maybe reconsider what you are doing? Wish you well!
Too much unknowns to give you concrete advice at this point, but in general you are above the seizure threshold. I know what are you getting at with spacing the doses, but imho it is highly anecdotal and highly personalized, ie. i for example due to tolerace etc have used even higher doses and i almost always space my doses in various time-intervals and i haven't had a seizure yet. Did i have at least 4 really close calls .. Yes. My point is that i got lucky, my tolerance to tramadol is/was up to the roof and still i might have a seizure. I remember a couple of posts from this forum of ppl who used for example for 3-4 years, haven't had a seizure, spaced their doses and still had a seizure at some point. It's a risk which if you go above 400 mg will always be there imho. Let's say you take 600 mg, space the dose so you take 100 mgs every hour, so to oversimplify things lets say the half life of tramadol is 6 hours, so by the time you take your last 100 mgs, there's still 550 mgs of tramadol in your system. You will also make the duration of the effects longer that way which for example can fuck up your sleep scheldue (believe me been through it many times). Is it safer than gulping down all the 600 mgs at once, maybe but it isnt a foolproof method to not get a seizure.
As you started doing it anyway, i would broke up that 600 mg ( but first ask yourself do you really need that big of a dose) into 2 x 300 mg. Dose you're first 300 mg after you wake up, dose it anytime between 30 mins - 1 hour ( with 1 hour being the more 'safer' method). Then after your last dose of the morning wait somewhere between 6-8 hours and do same dosing between 30 min - 1h( but be aware that it adds that complexity that may mess up your sleep scheldue) . If you have an access to a benzo, even a small amount with or before your dosing would in a way act as your insurance against the seizure risk.
My only problem is this that for whatever purpose you are using the tramadol, i see that it could easily escalate into dosing more and more and you would end up on a 900 mg a day (as starting on 600 mg is a lot). Add to that a benzo and let's you say you like the effects too much and from there it all snowballs into a bigger problem and it's not worth it. If i am asuming something inappropriate and you truly plan to use it only for two weeks and then stop, then i'm sorry. But if you are using it as an withdrawal aid or a stop gap between getting some other drug or kratom, i would reconsider your dose. You don't need to be high or feel pleasure etc. Try lowering your dose up to a point, where you just feel okay and functional, you could try 400 mgs for starters. If you are using it for pleasure then basically no can predict will you have or won't have a seizure. I feel like the risk will always exist if you go above 400mg. Using a benzo or pregabalin could mitigate that, but of course you could get dependent on them. That's also a risk. Tread carefully. If You space your doses, pay close attention to your body, if you do feel good at a certain point, stop at that and dont redose. Believe me when i tell you that there's risk involved and the reward for that risk ain't that great , so maybe reconsider what you are doing? Wish you well!
I was using about 50mg kratom of day two doses of 25mg 12 hours apart (too high I understand). I have 10 pills of clonazepam on hand I could use. Yeah I understand and thanks for your concern my last dose was at 10pm last night its not 6pm im planning on just feeling uncomfotable for a couple of hours and trying a lower dose since 24 hourscould be enough time to clear it completely? im not 100 percent sure.
I just barely feel anything below I think my enormous kratom dosages of 50mg kratom a day have boosted my tramadol tolerance to really high levels.
Sorry but i'm not sure if i understand completely. But you used 50 G (grams) of kratom a day? And You just recently stopped kratom? If i am understanding that right , then yes you would need to wait 24 hours before starting tramadol, as kratom blocks it's effects for at least 24 hours maybe more. That's why imho you needed such a high dose of kratom plus ofcourse kratom does raise tolerance to tramadol. Oh and i just realised that if you're talking about your last dose being tramadol then yes 24 hours it is cleared completely. But now i have to ask you when did you stop kratom? A couple of days ago? To be on the safe side use that clonazepam but please tell me what is your end goal here using tramadol to stop kratom? switching to tramadol as a painkiller? Stop all drugs all together? I think i get your situation but please provide more clarification. Sorry im in the middle of something, so i will read your messages later. In the meantime use that clonazepam and if you can use lower tramadol.
IE. What are you planning after two weeks with tramadol?
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No im using tramadol as a painkiller for a acute rotator cuff tear. After that idk im planning on buying some gabapentin and just dosing tht low I read thts gd for getting off both. They are both similar (tramadol and kratom) in allot of ways it seems including withdrawal sides etc. I dont plan on using the tramadol for anything more thn 5 days then its the switch to nsaids and whtever would help me get off the kratom (followed by tramadol) which im hoping based on reddit threads lyrica will help do.
Ive been through the kratom withdrawal before and i cn deal with the physical effects fine but feeling so suicidal is not something I want to experience again thts why I want to transition to lyrica when im done with tramadol in a few days. About 1 week of tht im hoping will clear the initial extremely mentally painful part of the withdrawal and then I cn get bk to normal life with some minor discomfort.
Okay, now i completely understand. Sounds like a good plan. Just be careful, esp if you get lyrica, dose it low ( getting addicted to it is nasty) and watchout for that tramadol as it's generally more potent than kratom, if you catch yourself escalating doses. Stop and get on gabapentin/lyrica earlier (But be mindful of them too). So to sum it up you were using kratom as a painkiller, switched to tram for transition and then you want to transition to lyrica/gabapentin and go off everything/ stay on gaba/lyricas / nsaids, right? im no specialist but your injury sounds serious and as who has to deal with chronic low back pain i can relate in a way. How long were you using kratom for pain? That's important info. You've probably got that figured out but in your case you probably should visit a physio after stopping everything. Wish you all the best!
Yeah u got it. Sorry for the convoluted explanation. thx for the advice.