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Feelin-u4ia

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We might die from all the medication, But we sure
I thought it would never happen to me, I never got addicted to any drugs I tried/ and or used, from cigs to alcohol, speed, ecstasy etc... Until now opiates, it has taken over my life and is all I think about, always worried about by next dose, living in secret living a double life because it would break everyone's heart... Apap poisoning.. How can I find the courage to kick this? Is there a light once u pass the tunnel ? Is it really true that after X amount of months later you truly no longer have a desire ?? Are these stories true? And even if they are how do I know that I have not fried my liver from all the tens of thousands of apap per dose... Is it too late anyways? Is the human liver a tough cookie? Or is it weak and easy to go... Any advice, words, even pity or sympathy ... Anything
 
Firstly, if you continue using APAP combinations (I'm assuming you're using codeine?), please read through this thread and use a Cold Water Extraction. The liver is fairly tough, but continual abuse doesn't give it time to repair itself at all.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, but that doesn't mean that once you get a certain amount of time in that you magically beat the addiction. Sometimes it's a lifelong battle with cravings but don't let that deter you. Ultimately kicking the habit will be better for you. No more lying, secrecy or danger to yourself.
 
I fell into the opiate trap as well and like you, I was sick of living a double life. Take a deep breath, yes it can be done, it took me several tries before I got it right. I didn't feel I was strong enough but eventually I was able to quit. You will need a realistic plan to taper yourself off. We do have some good threads around here for tapering opiates, let me look around.

Have you had any blood work done to have your liver enzymes checked? This will show indications of liver damage. You've got to get this done in case there is damage, the sooner you get medical help the better. I can't stress this enough because mine's fried from alcohol. It's the not knowing that makes it so much more stressful. In the meantime, please try and slow down on the apap. There is a light at the end of the tunnel, just hang on! We have loads of resources and people here to help. <3

Here's a thread to get you started:
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/569872-The-Opioid-Withdrawal-Megathread-and-FAQ?
 
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The liver has an amazing power of regeneration (if given the chance), yes it is possible to stop, but you may need to seed medical help. What are you taking and how much? Also i believe it takes 7-9 months with no opiates for the brain to get back to "normal", but over this period of time, the cravings get scarcer and scarcer.
good luck, hang in there!
 
Congratulations on posting and seeking help--even if it is only here thus far. Don't panic, you can get out of this. Sober Living will have lots of resources for you in terms of others that are going through opiate tapers, WDs or PAWS--there are people that are doing it for the first time or the tenth time and there is a lot of hard-won wisdom being shared. The main thing is to come up with a plan for your recovery. How are you going to do it? What support are you going to line up for yourself?

We can offer real day to day support and the great thing is always someone online so that means 24 hours a day! But it is important to have support IRL. Tryng to kick in secret is really difficult. Do you have people in your life that you can trust with sharing how out of control things have gotten?

Again I would caution you not to panic. Be your own best friend. Ask yourself what pain you needed to numb and develop strategies for dealing with the pain, not just the drug. Be compassionate with yourself and patient. <3
 
Thank you all so much for all your love, I take about 900 mg hydro extracted from apap, and like 700 mg oxy IR... Pretty heaven hitter dose leaving me broke regRdless of my good job the habit is too expensive. My life is about to get started soon my girlfriend is finishing nursing school I'm sure she will soon want to move in together with me but is completely unaware that I am still doing this I have been lying for months on end. I have been extracting my doses because sometimes I total up to 34,000 mg of Tylenol but I seem to do a very inpatient job and squeeze the filters all the time which is why I'm convinced that I get way more than 4000 mg. Every three months I get blood work done they check my kidneys and they said they do a liver test and some other stuff because of a health condition that I have I'm assuming they are probably checking my liver for function and so far has not been any problems but I've done a lot of stuff in the past three months so who knows what the next one will look like. I'm honestly not even worried about the physical withdrawals I have enough to get past that it's the cravings that hit mean every 56 or seven days and really bad anxiety and depression
 
Hey u4ia:) Sorry you find yourself struggling with an addiction<3 It seems to me that you are rolling around the cycle of addiction. If you haven't checked this these threads out you may wish to give them a go over. The addiction guide has some good stuff about what you are up aginst (look at post #3 4 sure) and the Brian and Addiction has some other relevant information.

As You and herbivore stated the paws and addiction are the real battle..
PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
http://www.clairedorotik.com/NLWC-EXERCISE_AND_MOOD.htm

ADD take http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/673580-Hey-I-thought-the-grey-matter-of-ADD-could-chew-on-this
Managing depressive thinking

it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts possitive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!


As far as the craving that you experience at these times. When we become addicted the dopamine reward pathway has now logged in the use of these drugs as something necessary for life. As with other "natural" actions needed for life, like eating has the drive to eat and thats hunger, drinking has the drive to drink and thats thrust, the drive to reproduce has sex drive or horniness. The way this system in the brain works is it has access to all our senses. If it picks up on something it feels is a chance at a positive rewards to manipulates us to achieve that reward. So for instance you are walking down the street and the smell of a barbecue is detected. Boom it begins to manipulate you. Suddenly you realize that you are hungry, It can make your stomach grown or feal empty, it can make you mouth water, it can send memories of how amazing putting a piece of fresh grilled steak in your mouth, "the old I could almost taste it"..

This is how the brain works and how triggers work. it is the same for the drugs we are addicted to. So if it now sees something that thinks you are close to getting the positive reward of using the drug we are now addicted to it will get triggered and try and manipulate us into getting and using the drug. It will send the best memories ever of use, It will make us crave (like hunger or thirst) also called jonesing, it will also use any of the negative emotions if it thinks they will work.. it cam throw shame or guilt, it can try and use fear or anxiety, it can use loneliness and pity, basically any emotion it will think may get us to use.. so double think all your emotions that make you want to use. Oh and dont forget it can use positive emotions as well, I am a positive relapser.. It has it advantages cause my addiction has figured out that on to it game of making me miserable to try and promote use.. it also knows that I no longer fall for its craving nonsense, it always whispers it will be the best thing in the world, lies lies lies.. I also crave big macks once and awhile and they never taste anything like what my mind says.. they kinda taste like dog food and make me sick half the time.

Now about the addictive cycle.. so even if we are avoiding all triggers nicely if a time period passes and we have not used the drive/reward system will say alright enough of this if we haven't stumbled across any of the opportunities we will have to go out and find them. Your brain likely thinks that around 57 days or what not its had enough and say alright time for you to go looking for it and starts sending you the craves and emotions and everything else it has in its bag of tricks.. its got a big bag as its the hypothalamus

Functions of the hypothalamus can be listed as:

controls the release of 8 major hormones by the pituitary gland
controls body temperature
control of food and water intake, hunger and thirst
control of sexual behavior and reproduction
control of daily cycles in physiological state and behaviour also known as circadian rhythm
mediation of emotional responses


The hyptothalmus actuall does much more than this little list but this will work for a start. So since the hypothalamus control the sexual behavior and reproduction think of the addictive cycle in terms of this. Say a person hasn't seen a potential mate for a certain period of time so it hasn't been directly triggered. Think about a sailer on a ship back in the day. But after a certain period of time the brain says shit we really need to mate and reproduce to ensure the continuation of the species. So it then starts to make the animal horney it makes them more and more obsessed with finding a mate. So this would likely make a person change their current lonely practices and drives them to find a mate. This would promote sex and reproduction. Thus why many the sailors hit port and go straight for a hooker, they have been obsessing over getting laid for a long time as their limbic system has determined that all this damn sailing is cool but we need to procreate for the good of human kind.


So IMO this is what is happening with the cycles of addiction. We use and then get back to life only to be driven back to use as the use of this drug has been logged in as something we need to promote and sustain life.

What is the recovery plan you have been using to try and cope with your addiction? What work have you done to heal from the effects of addiction?

So hey hang in there.. dont beat yourself up.. until you are able to come up with the things that work for you try and avoid the typical "black or white" thinking we are prone to.. as this drives use and is very dangerous as far as relapse. We have a tendency to fight for so long with will power (frontal lobe or conscious mind) that when it the subconsiouse wins we say alright enough of this shit "fuck it" and then tend to go on a binge. This is the going from nothing at all to hog wild or all or nothing thinking or black or white thinking.

The mere knowledge and awareness of this thought process will not allow you to use a drug you are addicted to with success though it is really important to keep in mind for any relapses. As going from no drugs to allot of drugs is real dangerous and a huge percentage of the people who I know who have died died almost immediately with the first couple usages of a relapse. Also the reason people use so much on a relapse is that is never like we were told or imagined. ;)

Twelve-Step Addiction Recovery Support Groups
SMART Recovery (Support Group information and discussion)
Thread: Varied Approaches to Addiction Recovery

You can do this!!!

^^ allot of links in there even though the aren't blue..
 
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we never think we will become desperate addicts when we're young.
but it happens to whoever.
addiction doesn't give a fuck about social status,GF issues,school,clothes etc.
addiction wants you dead.

it's a terminal disease and don't feel guilty.
just realize how serious this is,you're facing years of recovery.
time will heal but u need to stop using.

we here at BL have been through a lot and some are still alive.
try to take action right now and stop and live to tell your story.
your story might ending up saving someone else down the line.

major luck,I have done it,you can do it.
much love from cali.
 
There is no magic tunnel...there is is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. There is no one solution. YOU have to find a way...especially opiates...ain't easy. You have to find what works for you. Exercise...yoga...music...some higher power (whatever the fuck that is). Find something to takes it's place. Careful not to switch one for another. Best of luck.

It will always be there. Moving...new friends. It's a start.
 
Hey u4ia:) Sorry you find yourself struggling with an addiction<3 It seems to me that you are rolling around the cycle of addiction. If you haven't checked this these threads out you may wish to give them a go over. The addiction guide has some good stuff about what you are up aginst (look at post #3 4 sure) and the Brian and Addiction has some other relevant information.

As You and herbivore stated the paws and addiction are the real battle..
PAWS LINKS
Why We Don’t Get Better Immediately: Post-acute Withdrawal Syndrome (PAWS)
Post Acute Withdrawal (PAW) Excerpted From “Staying Sober” By: Terence T. Gorski
Post-acute-withdrawal syndrome Wiki
http://www.clairedorotik.com/NLWC-EXERCISE_AND_MOOD.htm

ADD take http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/673580-Hey-I-thought-the-grey-matter-of-ADD-could-chew-on-this
Managing depressive thinking

it is a powerful thing to keep our thoughts possitive and here are some threads many of us use to help us do this.
Good things about being off drugs/getting sober
Share something POSITIVE from your day!
Today I Am Thankful For... Ver. 3: Earth, Wind and Fire!


As far as the craving that you experience at these times. When we become addicted the dopamine reward pathway has now logged in the use of these drugs as something necessary for life. As with other "natural" actions needed for life, like eating has the drive to eat and thats hunger, drinking has the drive to drink and thats thrust, the drive to reproduce has sex drive or horniness. The way this system in the brain works is it has access to all our senses. If it picks up on something it feels is a chance at a positive rewards to manipulates us to achieve that reward. So for instance you are walking down the street and the smell of a barbecue is detected. Boom it begins to manipulate you. Suddenly you realize that you are hungry, It can make your stomach grown or feal empty, it can make you mouth water, it can send memories of how amazing putting a piece of fresh grilled steak in your mouth, "the old I could almost taste it"..

This is how the brain works and how triggers work. it is the same for the drugs we are addicted to. So if it now sees something that thinks you are close to getting the positive reward of using the drug we are now addicted to it will get triggered and try and manipulate us into getting and using the drug. It will send the best memories ever of use, It will make us crave (like hunger or thirst) also called jonesing, it will also use any of the negative emotions if it thinks they will work.. it cam throw shame or guilt, it can try and use fear or anxiety, it can use loneliness and pity, basically any emotion it will think may get us to use.. so double think all your emotions that make you want to use. Oh and dont forget it can use positive emotions as well, I am a positive relapser.. It has it advantages cause my addiction has figured out that on to it game of making me miserable to try and promote use.. it also knows that I no longer fall for its craving nonsense, it always whispers it will be the best thing in the world, lies lies lies.. I also crave big macks once and awhile and they never taste anything like what my mind says.. they kinda taste like dog food and make me sick half the time.

Now about the addictive cycle.. so even if we are avoiding all triggers nicely if a time period passes and we have not used the drive/reward system will say alright enough of this if we haven't stumbled across any of the opportunities we will have to go out and find them. Your brain likely thinks that around 57 days or what not its had enough and say alright time for you to go looking for it and starts sending you the craves and emotions and everything else it has in its bag of tricks.. its got a big bag as its the hypothalamus

Functions of the hypothalamus can be listed as:

controls the release of 8 major hormones by the pituitary gland
controls body temperature
control of food and water intake, hunger and thirst
control of sexual behavior and reproduction
control of daily cycles in physiological state and behaviour also known as circadian rhythm
mediation of emotional responses


The hyptothalmus actuall does much more than this little list but this will work for a start. So since the hypothalamus control the sexual behavior and reproduction think of the addictive cycle in terms of this. Say a person hasn't seen a potential mate for a certain period of time so it hasn't been directly triggered. Think about a sailer on a ship back in the day. But after a certain period of time the brain says shit we really need to mate and reproduce to ensure the continuation of the species. So it then starts to make the animal horney it makes them more and more obsessed with finding a mate. So this would likely make a person change their current lonely practices and drives them to find a mate. This would promote sex and reproduction. Thus why many the sailors hit port and go straight for a hooker, they have been obsessing over getting laid for a long time as their limbic system has determined that all this damn sailing is cool but we need to procreate for the good of human kind.


So IMO this is what is happening with the cycles of addiction. We use and then get back to life only to be driven back to use as the use of this drug has been logged in as something we need to promote and sustain life.

What is the recovery plan you have been using to try and cope with your addiction? What work have you done to heal from the effects of addiction?

So hey hang in there.. dont beat yourself up.. until you are able to come up with the things that work for you try and avoid the typical "black or white" thinking we are prone to.. as this drives use and is very dangerous as far as relapse. We have a tendency to fight for so long with will power (frontal lobe or conscious mind) that when it the subconsiouse wins we say alright enough of this shit "fuck it" and then tend to go on a binge. This is the going from nothing at all to hog wild or all or nothing thinking or black or white thinking.

The mere knowledge and awareness of this thought process will not allow you to use a drug you are addicted to with success though it is really important to keep in mind for any relapses. As going from no drugs to allot of drugs is real dangerous and a huge percentage of the people who I know who have died died almost immediately with the first couple usages of a relapse. Also the reason people use so much on a relapse is that is never like we were told or imagined. ;)

Twelve-Step Addiction Recovery Support Groups
SMART Recovery (Support Group information and discussion)
Thread: Varied Approaches to Addiction Recovery

You can do this!!!

^^ allot of links in there even though the aren't blue..

alot of great info thank you so much! How many times have you relapsed? im technically on like relapse # 47... but whos keeping track?

so your saying im FOREVER going to crave opiates it will never leave to the point where its just whatever? i used to do ecstasy ALOT in highschool and a few years after high school... 5 years clean now with no craving at all for it.. i was 3 years clean from mdma until opiates.. and in those 3 years only did some drinking...

funny fact but since i started opiates, I have totally lost my love for drinking.. infact i cant stand it now... why?
 
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