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Heroin some questions about smack

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hi there,

i hope i dont "double post" but my questions are a bit specific i think.
well im doing smack now and then. since about half a year or so.
started with occasional smoking, etc first every weekend but i noticed that didnt go so well, cause id use a weekend and in 5 days would the tolerance go up, so i made that usually 2 weeks. not more than 2 days in a row.. maybe 3 with friday evening. sometimes i purify it, weight it and shoot it too.

last time i did it, however , i weighted a well sized amount and shot it slowly.... almost nothing. i needed to do a relatively huge amount to get any effect. (almost half a gram in relatively poor smack quality but it should be still alot)

i smoked that stuff on foil before to identify if its any worth trying. tasted/acted like usual stuff.

the next day i got noticable chills and fever symptoms. nothing serious. was gone within a day. could this have been tolerance buildup already? i heard its sneaky but i wasnt doing anything for like 2 weeks before. :|

and yeah i pretty much know it. nearly everybody says its almost impossible to stay chipping. whats your feeling about the probabilities of staying that way? 1/3? 1/5? 1/10?

i have experienced cravings (but i didnt follow them and they went away after prolonging breaks) and a few psychological downsides, so i wanted to cut it down for the next months anyway and i dont have any negative feelings about that. not so sure about a real long timespan maintaining recreational use tho. anyway, im not here for any approval, just want to hear some opinions, because mistakes arent forgiven easily ;)
 
this is how nearly all heroin users start off, bit here and there and yes your right it dose creep up. 1/250 is what i give you for staying off full time. might take months or a few years but by the sound of it you already got the heroin bug. one day rolls into 2 then 3 then just 4 days this week i wont do it next time. game over. heroin is pain as much as it is a joy. personly i love it but thats cas i got the luxry of a methadone script that i get to take weeks worth at time from chemist so that always saves me from the pain of withdrawal all though weekens the H buzz. its a compramise i can make.
 
I'd put your odds a lot worse.
Say 1 in 1,000 or hell 1 in a 1,000,000 from personal experience. :\
But meh I don't know of any real statistics on this.
So it's just a guessing game.

As for tolerance, well lets put it this way.
My gf uses opiates at most once a month usually once every 2 months.
She has had her tolerance go from 5mg oxycodone to 30mg oxycodone in about a year of using.
She dosed at most 10-15 times in said year.

The same applies to heroin. As I was just using the oxycodone as an example.
She doesn't always use oxycodone, she has also used H, Oxymorphone, etc. in equivalent dosages to those listed above.

So from my experience regardless of the time between doses you will still build at least some sort of tolerance over time.

I'll try to give you some more information later but I have some holiday things to attend to atm so I must egress for now.
 
I've been chipping (snorting, very infrequently injecting) for the past 6 months. Prior to that I was using for stretches of like a week, quitting and going through withdraws (based on my choice, I had money and dope available) then back to using it after breaks of like 5 days in between each weeks stretch of use. I did that for like 4-5 months.

I have a wife that is very anti-drug and also have limited financial resources now so don't think I will get dependent on it. If anything I would switch over to suboxone as it's a lot cheaper. I've taken suboxone obtained illegallly for back pain in the past, the high was significant for me. I was using suboxone along with the perc's I was getting from the dr.

To me it would be simple (and I should probably switch now for financial reasons anyway): 1-2g's of heroin 1-2 days a week= $300 per week
suboxone 1-2 pills per day= $5-$10 per day/$35-$70 per week (and getting high every day vs just 2-3 days max)
 
I chip...if ypu can all it that lol. Use till my paycheck runs out (usuall have the willpower to pay my bills...atleast less than 30 days late lol).

but yeah I am on subutex (or methadone in the past) between my dpe usage...so if you wanna call that chipping I use like once a week on average. maybe twice....
 
I was being bit generous with my first odds, did not want said thred poster to lose all hope but my first thought was 1/100000 and thats only if your arms and legs happend to fall off for no reason and you were no good at using your nose to ring dealer then were lucky enoth to be in easy rolling distance from said dealer.
 
Just quit now. While maybe you still can. So many people wish they had. Like my and some of my friends. Heroin is no fun drug. Go party and take some E ,dance, drink and have fun with friends.
I also had a girlfriend that was very anti drug and did not have loads of cash but i still got addicted. Thats 7 years ago now and i'm still not of the shit
Heroin makes you lose everything you love.
 
hazejunk said:
Just quit now. While maybe you still can. So many people wish they had. Like my and some of my friends. Heroin is no fun drug. Go party and take some E ,dance, drink and have fun with friends.

Heroin makes you lose everything you love.
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Yes, yes and yes. nearly everyone i know wishes they stayed on the party drugs. problem is this person already likes opiates too much and we all know heroin users make insane choices over this drug cas we all think at the start i aint like the rest of them users i got willpower but when the sickness gets bad willpower is thrown out the window along with sense and only returns part way when your high again and you have great ideas of how your going to quit tomorow.but as the song goes tomorow never comes..:\
 
Willpower.

After 5 years of taking oxycontin and percocet for degenerative arthritis, and it getting to the point where it just wasn't helping anymore, but still taking almost 400/mg a day... I said fuck this noise, and pulled myself right off em.\

Now, I notice i have a recreational heroin habit. Not too bad tho - I will pick some up on a weekend, go through.. eh.. 7-12 grams in a day or two smoking it, and then drop it again for a week or two.

Doesn't anyone else just chalk it all up to willpower no matter what? I mean.. dependence is just that, but that wont stop me from dropping something I see as harmful to my life and social relationships..

So.

A question about the H tho - I'm getting this stuff, that's light brown when I get it - and with air (moisture really) it turns dark brown, and rock hard after a lil bit.. seems strong as fuck as far as i can tell. but then, morphine never was a big hit with me.. thus the 7-12 grams in a day or two.

Anyone know what that's cut/adulterated with? Also, anyone have ANY clue why I've developed a nasty cough with some icky greenish crap getting hacked up? Hrm.. I've gone through just about anything you can smoke in the past at some point, never had a cough like this.. but never smoked something that felt harsh either - so..

Comments? ideas? Any way to wash it down to get me some purity without the hack? Thoughts are appreciated.
 
Titus said:
I've been chipping (snorting, very infrequently injecting) for the past 6 months. Prior to that I was using for stretches of like a week, quitting and going through withdraws (based on my choice, I had money and dope available) then back to using it after breaks of like 5 days in between each weeks stretch of use. I did that for like 4-5 months.

I have a wife that is very anti-drug and also have limited financial resources now so don't think I will get dependent on it. If anything I would switch over to suboxone as it's a lot cheaper. I've taken suboxone obtained illegallly for back pain in the past, the high was significant for me. I was using suboxone along with the perc's I was getting from the dr.

To me it would be simple (and I should probably switch now for financial reasons anyway): 1-2g's of heroin 1-2 days a week= $300 per week
suboxone 1-2 pills per day= $5-$10 per day/$35-$70 per week (and getting high every day vs just 2-3 days max)
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You must have a baby sized tolerance if you can catch a significant buzz off subs lol... Anyways your little plan there would only lead to no buzz at all daily and a physical addiction to buprenorphine... If one wants to get high would be better off to do the heroin 1-2 days a week.

If you want to get high, dont get on subs lol..:p
 
hazejunk said:
Just quit now. While maybe you still can. So many people wish they had. Like my and some of my friends. Heroin is no fun drug. Go party and take some E ,dance, drink and have fun with friends.
I also had a girlfriend that was very anti drug and did not have loads of cash but i still got addicted. Thats 7 years ago now and i'm still not of the shit
Heroin makes you lose everything you love.
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Although SWIM has been chipping for the past 6 months and has never had an ongoing H addiction (SWIM has had H addictions several times lasting about a week) SWIM realizes that it is always a possibility regardless of any life circumstances. In the past SWIM had a coke addiction (SWIM strongly believed he would never get out of control/develop addiction to coke) where SWIM used 1/2 oz of coke per week (only snorting) for 1 1/2 years. SWIM essentially went through a Kilo of coke in 1 1/2 years. He started holiday weekends only and things progressed to heavy out of control coke use with lots of paranoia, etc.

So SWIM would definitely advise anyone to stay away from H if they have not started or are using intermittently. SWIM agrees that despite anyone's best intentions there is a strong likelihood anyone who starts to use H will become dependent.

Also, thanks for the reminder that using suboxone daily one will stop getting high off of it and will become dependent. SWIM should switch to suboxone use 2-3 days/week from H 1-2 days/week or of course ideally just stop altogether
 
Just giving a little insight that I do have on this topic..well i guess you could say a lot of insight...I used H for 2 years straight..(no more though) It all started by what they call chipping using it here and there and for me being a person with a highly addictive personality i lost all control. Now if you are the type of person that you know you can stop whenever you like (which I doubt alot of people can do) espically if you are injecting. That was my downfall...never experienced bad withdrawls from just snorting but has soon as I put that damn needle in my arm it was all over..I highly dont recommend it because I know how hard of a time I had. But dont get me wrong it is the best high in the world!
 
I think about trying heroin every now and again, but I am not sure how I would do with it. I have been using pain killers recreationally for almost two years now. I can binge for days on end and then stop without experiencing withdrawal symptoms and without picking pills up again for weeks or months. It's strange.

I think that part of the reason for why I can start and stop using pain killers so easily is that I have never experienced withdrawal symptoms. If I had experienced really terrible withdrawal symptoms, then I would probably continue using, you know?

But I don't know that I can use heroin in the same way that I use pain killers. If I experience withdrawal, then I will want to continue using. Not to mention that heroin is relatively cheap in comparison to how much I sometimes spend on pills, and that would definitely motivate me to use heroin more often than I use pain killers. Hmmm!
 
well if you think you are spending a lot of money on pills now...yeah once you try heroin, your habit might be a couple bags a day, well most of the times just like myself i see people spending up to or more than X a day, just as bad believe me!
 
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Yeah, $x a day is no joke. I don't know that it makes a difference, but I would choose to snort it as opposed to IVing it.

The reason for that is, well, intranasal is my preferred ROA, and I am not all that big a fan of needles. I am sure that everyone says that, "I don't like needles," but honestly, I cannot imagine that IVing could ever become my preferred ROA.
 
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