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solubility of 4-ho-mipt-fumerate

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toxide

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what is up with this wierd ass chem, it doesn't dissolve into anything? 200ml of h2o for 10g crystal and it settles out and turns black. what the fuck can I do???
 
even isopropyl-alcohol wont dissolve, is ether the only good medium? I don't want to heat it and oxidize it
 
Maybe try DMSO?
Though - why are you trying to get it into any sort of solution?
Seems to me it'd be easier to just put it in gel-caps. Dissolving into water would seem to be a bad idea because those 4-hydroxyl tryptamines seem to degrade quite quickly.
 
usually (at least in the case for 4-ho-dipt) it's the 4-acetoxy counter part.

But since that's what it'd be metabolized into, not a big deal.

wait- I might be misremembering this horribly.
 
^^Nah, degradation is into an inactive compound. 4-aco-mipt fumarate lost significant potency in 100% ethanol in under a week. 4-ho-mipt may degrade even faster ... perhaps in minutes if you're reporting a change in color that quickly. Usually the change in color occurs with only a small change in potency, but by the time it's black, a significant amount has been lost.

Don't dissolve 4-ho-mipt.
 
Found this in another thread:

sdafsdfdsafasdfdsa said:
I recently acquired some miprocin fumarate and when I added it to water it almost instantly turned green. I took 20mg soon after. In a few hours there was a layer of foam at the top of the bottle. I experimented with the substance 48 hours later and the results were very close to nill. I ended up taking over a period of 2 hours what should have been 40mg but felt like 5mg or less. Apparently this chemical broke down REAL quick when I dissolved it in water. Anyone else notice this? Are there other solvents I could use to prevent this? Real bummer, lost a lot of good product!
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=4254180&highlight=degradation#post4254180
 
so this crazy chem doesn't last long at all, it breaks down? into what? when using the hcl and placing it into chocolate it lasted quite a while, please don't scare me. tell me if you know for sure what it is doing. It wont mix with water it just seperates to the bottom and there is black liquid. what is this???????? why is it such an asshole chemical. I hope my 10g is still good.
 
Just weigh it out with a scale. If you don't have one, get one. The 4-HO-Ts are notoriously unstable in solution. Most tryptamines are actually.
 
is there a way to salvage it before it's too late? should I mix it with a solvent, or mix it with hcl? can I evaporate it on low heat without destroying it? should I freeze it? Anyone know, please don't tell me this shit will become no good.

I don't get it, I've heard of people making mushroom tea and what not, I thought only Lysergic compounds where this unstable, But I've even seen acid stay for quite a while in liquid without too much loss
 
If it is still in the water, GET IT OUT.
Filter it. A/B it. Anything that will get it out.
Otherwise you are going to lose it all.
 
My condolences for your loss.

I don't want to poke fun at what happened, it truly is a shame, but I thought of how funny it would be if your 4-ho-mipt had an obituary:

"...he is survived by his father, MiPT, his brother 4-Aco-MiPT..."

Ok, maybe it't not that funny after all.
 
one lesson learned and something most all have done in haste is testing an unknown method using the whole lot of material as opposed to only testing with a small test lot

:\ :(
 
toxide said:
so this crazy chem doesn't last long at all, it breaks down? into what? when using the hcl and placing it into chocolate it lasted quite a while, please don't scare me. tell me if you know for sure what it is doing. It wont mix with water it just seperates to the bottom and there is black liquid. what is this???????? why is it such an asshole chemical. I hope my 10g is still good.
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You mentioned about putting it into chocolate or food. Can anyone elaborate on a way to do this with out liquids involved?
 
yikes.

i remember adding a sample of 4-ho-mipt to a small bottle of clean water and watching it instantly turn into a vibrant green colour, which soon completely took over the transparency of the water. needless to say, it was all gone by then.

a sad day...
 
Even if it the potency is not significantly reduced if you are fast... still I am not sure if you could sell me on ingesting such a blob. Then again, we have a lot of water in our body so I think it is safe to say that when we take a 4-HO tryptamine it may 'denaturalize' initially.
 
To resurrect this thread:

I've had luck w/ 30mg in 1 ml of water w/ heavy mixing- but this was for immediate IM'ing. I first added water to 4-Ho-MiPT in a small plastic flat-cup; mixed over and over w/ an oral syringe & by drawing in and out repeatedly until solution seemed fully dissolved.

Then, I just had to inject repeatedly (inject, re-add water, shake; repeat by adding water & shaking syringe- had to do this 3x), as a layer would form in my rig's bottom where the water was apparently going through the substance, settling rather than fully dissolving. Just had to re-add water; shake syringe vigorously, worked fine.. had to do this 3 times before syringe was cleared. This was w/ a 29g point, mind you. I'm all out of 27 guages.

But I sure as shit tripped balls =D
 
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