Sod the jubilee!

[Marmalade]

I've learned to ignore most of Blunstie's posts on anything related to this kinda thing, mainly because I don't really value his opinions much as they largely seem to be underpinned by entrenched viewpoints that he's not open to changing. so there's no point. we've all got those mechanisms going on, but I don't believe he's got a thorough understanding of his, nor a well rounded sense of self-awareness needed to develop his understanding in that area. despite his Jung 'obsession' (his words not mine). he'll probably get there eventually, but I think it takes more life experience than he seems to have under his belt at this point in time, and it also takes the ability to be a little less defensive. I haven't got a thorough understanding of his either, since it's impossible to really know someone else's, but i think it is possible to observe when they're at work.

so I've just learned to mainly skip his spiel and just stick to topics we do identify with, and there are a few of those luckily.

I've learned to like him more because of changing my approach with him.

[edits x eleventy due to trying to make better sense]

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

The ironic thing being marmz, is that the last time you changed your opinion on anything was err... never? You seem to try and propagate this sense that you are some sort of all seeing all knowing middle aged person (much like lecture monkey), when really you just gobble up your crap from the Guardian like a good girl. Your viewpoints are even more entrenched than mine, probably because of the extra length of time you've held them.

And lecturemonkey, i'm as against this as both of you. I am capable of seeing things from both sides, so I don't exclusively side with everything one side says. That's what happens when you are even vaguely open minded, unlike both of you.

My only bone of contention with your whinging yesterday about the jubillee and it's cost was that you could be doing so much more than the nothing you currently do to help the less fortunate if you really cared, but all you really care about is dragging down people who have more than you. The state doesn't even break even on your tax contribution. But hey, you keep on telling others what they should be doing and how they should spend the money, while you lap up your easy going life with drugs, fishing, and kite flying, while some poor cunt you don't even know huddles up in a sleeping bag in the rain - hopefully with a mug of soup provided by someone who isn't a totally hypocritical cunt.

 

[Mailmonkey]

My only bone of contention with your whinging yesterday about the jubillee and it's cost was that you could be doing so much more than the nothing you currently do to help the less fortunate if you really cared, but all you really care about is dragging down people who have more than you. The state doesn't even break even on your tax contribution. But hey, you keep on telling others what they should be doing and how they should spend the money, while you lap up your easy going life with drugs, fishing, and kite flying, while some poor cunt you don't even know huddles up in a sleeping bag in the rain - hopefully with a mug of soup provided by someone who isn't a totally hipocritical cunt.

Right, like Marmz, i normally ignore your unfounded waffle, but this paragraph I've just quoted is only made up of personal criticism.

I personally give money to charity every week, it's deducted at source from my wage, there are 4 charities I support, it's not a great deal, but it's something, not the "nothing currently do".

I don't want to drag anyone down either. I don't think the govt should be cutting back on essential services, telling the most needy they need to tighten their belts etc while spending all this money on SHITE, and making us all fucking watch it, and expecting us all to be rejoicing.

Yeah, I like my life, I like drugs, kites and fishing....what's wrong with that?

And although not personally, Mrs MM has in the 17 years I've known her always worked for drug/alcohol/homeless charities. 7 years ago we spent Christmas day at a homeless shelter in Exeter where she worked at the time, we, along with other staff members made Christmas dinner for people who would have had nothing that day. She currently works housing young homeless people and care leavers.

You, are a fucking idiot, and as I've said before, you're a fucking thicko. Just because you use the odd long word and refuse to budge, doesn't make you bright.

And almost everything you've said in your final paragraph of purely personal criticism (which you ALWAYS resort to) is nonsense. You know nothing.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Right, like Marmz, i normally ignore your unfounded waffle, but this paragraph I've just quoted is only made up of personal criticism.

I personally give money to charity every week, it's deducted at source from my wage, there are 4 charities I support, it's not a great deal, but it's something, not the "nothing currently do".

I don't want to drag anyone down either. I don't think the govt should be cutting back on essential services, telling the most needy they need to tighten their belts etc while spending all this money on SHITE, and making us all fucking watch it, and expecting us all to be rejoicing.

Yeah, I like my life, I like drugs, kites and fishing....what's wrong with that?

And although not personally, Mrs MM has in the 17 years I've known her always worked for drug/alcohol/homeless charities. 7 years ago we spent Christmas day at a homeless shelter in Exeter where she worked at the time, we, along with other staff members made Christmas dinner for people who would have had nothing that day. She currently works housing young homeless people and care leavers.

You, are a fucking idiot, and as I've said before, you're a fucking thicko. Just because you use the odd long word and refuse to budge, doesn't make you bright.

And almost everything you've said in your final paragraph of purely personal criticism (which you ALWAYS resort to) is nonsense. You know nothing.

Awww, well you should definitely feel better. I'm sure those charities enjoy your crumbs and I hope it helps you sleep well at night. While you carry on enjoying any luxuries whatsoever don't complain when others do. And who gives a fuck if your wife works for charities? I'm sure that money comes out of other people's pockets to pay her and she isn't just Mother Teresa who lives with 2 dresses that she wears alternately. You seem to be forgetting that the Royal Family also does a lot of charity, and their tax contribution makes your negative contribution look pitiful, so why can't they enjoy a fun day just like you do? (That's the point of the criticism of you. Criticising others before your take a long look at yourself).

I can see why you're pissed off though. I mean chipping in half a day handing out some dinner to people 7 years ago? Holy fuck. I'll write a letter to the Queen asking where your knighthoods gotten to. I now knight thee Sir Lecturemonkey III

 

[breakcorefiend]

not been following much of this argument but it seems like you have a bit of a vendetta against MM, he told you what he does give isn't a great deal but its a lot more than others give and so what if he enjoys some of things he does, can you honestly say you've given up your xmas day to help the homeless? i don't normally butt into peoples debates but you are coming across very petty on this one

 

[Mailmonkey]

Naaa, you're missing the point, I'm not claiming to be saintly....I'm just stating that most of your personal criticisms of me and my life are nonsense.

We would still do the Christmas dinner thing if we didn't have a child, but yes, I'd rather spend Christmas Day together as a family.

And I agree with you, I'm sure the charities we contribute to do enjoy our crumbs, most people give "crumbs " to charity.

And wtf, the Royal family's tax contribution SHOULD make mine, or anyone's tax contribution seem pitiful.

And thanks for the knighthood, but I'm declining it on the grounds I don't deserve it, and it's a meaningless title anyway.

 

[Mailmonkey]

not been following much of this argument but it seems like you have a bit of a vendetta against MM, he told you what he does give isn't a great deal but its a lot more than others give and so what if he enjoys some of things he does, can you honestly say you've given up your xmas day to help the homeless? i don't normally butt into peoples debates but you are coming across very petty on this one

stop there mate. You DO NOT criticise MSB, his beliefs, or his style, or his knowledge. You are wrong. I am wrong. Marmz is wrong.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

not been following much of this argument but it seems like you have a bit of a vendetta against MM, he told you what he does give isn't a great deal but its a lot more than others give and so what if he enjoys some of things he does, can you honestly say you've given up your xmas day to help the homeless? i don't normally butt into peoples debates but you are coming across very petty on this one

You misunderstand me. I don't expect some amazing contribution from people, and his contribution is reasonable. My point is that until you go without luxuries and enjoyment yourself for the sake of others how dare you expect others to do the same? No one has the right to be so pompous towards other people until they themselves put their money where their mouth is.

 

[Mailmonkey]

Proved my point. You're fucking thick, and this is no more than a personal vendetta, as bcf said.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Naaa, you're missing the point, I'm not claiming to be saintly....I'm just stating that most of your personal criticisms of me and my life are nonsense.

We would still do the Christmas dinner thing if we didn't have a child, but yes, I'd rather spend Christmas Day together as a family.

And I agree with you, I'm sure the charities we contribute to do enjoy our crumbs, most people give "crumbs " to charity.

And wtf, the Royal family's tax contribution SHOULD make mine, or anyone's tax contribution seem pitiful.

And thanks for the knighthood, but I'm declining it on the grounds I don't deserve it, and it's a meaningless title anyway.

They aren't nonsense though. The Queens Jubillee is the equivalent of your birthday binge on meph with a nice meal for dinner. You didn't go without that so you could give the money to the needy of the country, but apparently she should? You don't go without anything you want at all for the sake of others, so it seems very high and mighty to go around preaching such a thing to other people. No? I barely give anything to charity myself. Then again I don't bemoan the rich and see that as my contribution to making the world a better place.

I bring up the Queens tax contribution because she gives all of her income directly to the state. She doesn't have her own money to spend on these things or i'm sure she would. She has to be given it back, so people like you can get up your own ass about having paid for it, when you clearly haven't.

 

[breakcorefiend]

yeah i get where you are coming from but it is abit ridiculous the amount spent on that jubilee when there's all the people in need, just sorta rubs their faces in it that this country is very much 2 tier, but anyway im not getting involved

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Proved my point. You're fucking thick, and this is no more than a personal vendetta, as bcf said.

No, it is using your life as an example of the fact that you yourself do not live in the way you are trying to impose on others. How else, other than by looking at your life, would I prove such a point? If anything it is you who makes attacks on me constantly lecturemonkey. I mean look what started all of this - an unprovoked attack on me from you. So don't moan when I show you up for what you are. So I guess that's 2 ways your hypocritical? Let me guess, you're against people eating meat but you love a steak 8)

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

yeah i get where you are coming from but it is abit ridiculous the amount spent on that jubilee when there's all the people in need, just sorta rubs their faces in it that this country is very much 2 tier, but anyway im not getting involved

Yeah but it's a bit ridiculous the amount every single one of us on here spends on drugs on a weekly basis when there are people in need. It's swings and roundabouts. At what point can we start spending money on fun? I mean last year in the UK we spent £17.6 billion on drugs, excluding alcohol. Imagine if instead of us all getting fucked off of our faces on the regular we spent that on feeding and housing people down in the third world? That's more than the GDP of a lot of African states...

 

[Mailmonkey]

Yeah, imagine if we all stopped having hobbies, driving motorcars, taking holidays, eating anything other than the most basic rations for survival, owning washing machines, TV's, computers, phones, just imagine...imagine if we all stopped reading, listening to music....that's more than the GDP of a lot of African states too.

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Yeah, imagine if we all stopped having hobbies, driving motorcars, taking holidays, eating anything other than the most basic rations for survival, owning washing machines, TV's, computers, phones, just imagine...imagine if we all stopped reading, listening to music....that's more than the GDP of a lot of African states too.

Exactly. Where do we draw the line when we are choosing between our wants and others needs? I think maybe you might just see my point that criticising the jubillee celebrations is just a tad rich when you don't forego any luxuries whatsoever? I mean I can see how it's disgusting that say Roman Abramovich spends $1 billion on a yacht, but to him that's like me spending £10k on an Audi... If I get my Audi why doesn't he get his yacht? It just leads me to believe that even though we can see that that sort of spending is wasteful and selfish, we wouldn't behave any differently were we in their shoes.

 

[Mailmonkey]

I think maybe you might just see my point that criticising the jubillee celebrations is just a tad rich when you don't forego any luxuries whatsoever?

1. I don't see your point.
2. Your points are always just inflammatory nonsense.
3. You know nothing about what "luxuries" I have, don't have, or forgo.

4. Claiming to know how you or I would act in the Queen's (solid gold) shoes is just a shit argument. Its as bad as the recent thread about "Would you suck your dad's cock to save his life"

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

1. I don't see your point.
2. Your points are always just inflammatory nonsense.
3. You know nothing about what "luxuries" I have, don't have, or forgo.

4. Claiming to know how you or I would act in the Queen's (solid gold) shoes is just a shit argument. Its as bad as the recent thread about "Would you suck your dad's cock to save his life"

Settle down defensive monkey. I think you should just accept that you are a total hypocrite who can't see that his own way of living doesn't even vaguely gel with the morals and behaviour you espouse. And as for not knowing anything about you; We both know that you were privately educated, live in one of the most beautiful parts of the country, and work fewer hours than most people. We also both know that you eat an exceedingly good diet, use a rather large amount of drugs, and enjoy a greater standard of living than at least 90% of the UK. Talk is cheap, put your money where your mouth is. Go without a drugs binge on just one weekened and give that money to someone in genuine need, or just drop the duplicitous, self righteous bullshit peddling

 

[Mailmonkey]

I think you should just accept that you're a thick twat who can't see past his own assumptions.

1. yes, I was privately educated, not through choice, and I'd never send my child into private education, because it's immoral, and I don't agree with the methodology/techniques/expected outcomes of the private system.
2. yes, I live in a beautiful place, I gave up a well paid job in a very ugly city, moved down here with my then girlfriend, and got a job in a warehouse, it was hard, but we made it happen.
3. I work a 39 hour week.
4. my diet is pretty good, so what? I grow my own veg, I catch my own fish.
5. I use drugs, a large amount? I dunno, but you have said so, so it must be right....until last year I grew my own weed, for about 20 years, so wasn't spending cash on it at all. (not entriely true, I reckon it was costing me about a tenner an oz to produce)
6. Please tell me how you have worked out that I have a greater standard of living than 90% of the UK. The other week you were belittling me for being only capable of putting letters through doors. Are postmen in the top 10% of UK earners?

 

[Mr Smokes Blunts.]

Past my own assumptions? The whole point of this is that you enjoy plenty of luxuries in life that you could go without in order to help the needy more, but you don't because you enjoy them just like everyone else. Therefore you can't expect anyone, no matter how much more wealthy they are than you, to go without to help others. It's a very simple philosophy that I like to call "not being sanctimonious prick", you should try it some time.

 

[breakcorefiend]

ok, this original argument was about how the jubilee was a waste of Taxpayers money that could of been spent better right?

How did it morph into what it currently is??