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So why do SSRI's stifle the effects of MDMA?

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samhandwich22

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The way I see it, if you take an SSRI, then it will prevent reuptake of serotonin, thus leaving more in the active synapse. Since MDMA works primarily on serotonin receptors, shouldnt SSRI's potentiate the effects of MDMA rather than inhibit them? I am very interested in understanding the neurological relationship between the two if anyone here is savvy.
How do SSRI's effect LSD since LSD is also a serotonergic drug?

I currently have a friend who takes anti-depressants consistently and am trying to figure out a way I can help her roll for her first time without putting her safety or psychological well being at risk (and I do believe the mdma experience would be therapeutic for her).
 
Try using the search. There is a HUGE thread on this with plenty of info.
SSRIs and MDMA are not a good mix and SSRIs will not potentiate the effects of MDMA.
 
MDMA causes your 5-ht receptors to dump massive amounts of serotonin at once, thus giving the incredible, euphoric feeling of MDMA. But with SSRI's, like you said, they inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, leaving less of it in your receptors, so your receptors are not able to unloads massive amounts of serotonin, since most of it is flowing through your synapses.
 
The way I see it, if you take an SSRI, then it will prevent reuptake of serotonin, thus leaving more in the active synapse. Since MDMA works primarily on serotonin receptors, shouldnt SSRI's potentiate the effects of MDMA rather than inhibit them? I am very interested in understanding the neurological relationship between the two if anyone here is savvy.
How do SSRI's effect LSD since LSD is also a serotonergic drug?

I currently have a friend who takes anti-depressants consistently and am trying to figure out a way I can help her roll for her first time without putting her safety or psychological well being at risk (and I do believe the mdma experience would be therapeutic for her).

i've been prescribed zoloft (100mg) for the past 2+months. i've taken some pretty potent lsd in the past 2 days and it worked just fine. if you find anything else out about the ssri mdma combination, PLEASE let me know. it would be greatly appreciated
 
i've been prescribed zoloft (100mg) for the past 2+months. i've taken some pretty potent lsd in the past 2 days and it worked just fine. if you find anything else out about the ssri mdma combination, PLEASE let me know. it would be greatly appreciated

LSD and MDMA are TOTALLY different drugs. LSD does bind to serotonin receptors, but MDMA releases a shit ton of serotonin. There is a big difference. Do NOT combine the two (MDMA and SSRI).
 
I had some pretty pure molly when I was on 20 mgs of celexa and I was rolling just fine. It was such a good high...haven't tried it on 40 mgs though ill have to see.
 
I remember reading it was because SSRIS have a higher affinity for the reuptake transporters than MDMA does.
 
okay please read all of this. I found it in the directory.

"First of all, both SSRI's (Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitors )(This includes Prozac, Zoloft, Paxil, and the like, and no, there really isn't any difference between them for our purposes here) and Ecstasy both have affinity (Meaning they will interact with and affect) the brain's seratonin reuptake transporters. Seratonin has an extremely important role in brain chemistry, as we all know, and regulates all sorts of things. SSRI's work by stopping the seratonin reuptake in the brain. The idea is for those that are depressed is that by reducing the amount of seratonin reabsorbed back into one's neurochemical system (and thereby increasing the amount of seratonin present), an increased amount of seratonin will help people feel better (With the help of therapy, of course. Very rarely will SSRI's work without the will and help of both the user and his/her doctor.)
Okay, now for the role of Ecstasy. Ecstasy works by flooding the synapse in the brain with seratonin. (again, as we all know.) Because Ecstasy uses the actual reuptake transporter mechanism to cause seratonin release, obviously any sort of chemical (Like an SSRI) blocking that mechanism (Which SSRI's do,) with a higher affinity for it (Like Ecstasy) will severely reduce or completely eliminate the affects of the Ecstasy. Ecstasy (beyond the threshold dose of ~40-60mg) without the presence of SSRI's generally drains a large amount of the brain's seratonin for 12-24 hours, and the brain has generally not reached full seratonin levels for up to a week afterwards.
SSRI's "downregulate" (inhibit the efficiency & the ability) of seratonin reuptake transporters. This means SSRI's affect your brain's seratonin system in a negative way as well as a positive way; the idea is that the positive effects outweigh the negative i.e. higher seratonin levels outweight the fact that your brain isn't using it as efficiently. Basically this means that even for MONTHS after one quits taking an SSRI, the brain is less efficient at using seratonin. Those who go off SSRI's and take E, even MONTHS later, will most likely have a REDUCED roll, regardless of the amount of E you take. Essentially, your brain's maximum of seratonin concentration (what makes rolling feel good) goes DOWN. "

There is your answer. If you want more info on this, there is more in the directory.
 
Seratonin... :\

LSD and MDMA are TOTALLY different drugs. LSD does bind to serotonin receptors, but MDMA releases a shit ton of serotonin. There is a big difference. Do NOT combine the two (MDMA and SSRI).
Not to forget LSD binds to 5-HT2A and 5-HT2B receptors, while SSRIs and MDMA bind preferentially to the SERT (which is not a serotonin receptor but a serotonin transporter). However, this whole 'serotonergic drugs while on SSRIs' is your typical YMMV-problem. Some people report increased intensity, some people report close-to-normal intensity, most people report diminished experiences.

Anyway, what you should really be asking yourself: How the hell will MDMA have therapeutic benefits in someone chronically taking SSRIs? Unless she is taking SSRIs for a social anxiety disorder and you are a skilled therapeut when it comes to said disorders, you will only fuck her brain up by depleting all her serotonin with MDMA. No offense, but your reasoning why SSRIs should potentiate MDMA clearly shows you and your friend will both be better off letting professionals decide about the appropriate medication.
 
^ I've never heard of anyone reporting increased intensity when mixing SSRI's with MDMA.

No Consequence has given you the answer but for an easier to read version:

SSRI's block the serotonin reuptake pump, and has higher affinity for it than MDMA.

MDMA reverses the reuptake pump.

The reuptake pump is what takes serotonin from your synapse and put's it back into a brain cell.. where it is basically doing nothing but being a reserve supply.

MDMA makes the pump take serotonin from your brain cell and put it in the synapse where it can bind to serotonin receptors.. exciting your serotonin neurones (what your want)..
 
Anyway, what you should really be asking yourself: How the hell will MDMA have therapeutic benefits in someone chronically taking SSRIs? Unless she is taking SSRIs for a social anxiety disorder and you are a skilled therapeut when it comes to said disorders, you will only fuck her brain up by depleting all her serotonin with MDMA. No offense, but your reasoning why SSRIs should potentiate MDMA clearly shows you and your friend will both be better off letting professionals decide about the appropriate medication.

This isn't exactly true. MDMA can have great therapeutic benefits for almost all reasons SSRI's are prescribed. Although yes you are right in that it COULD make things worse.. especially if they get into an abusive dosing pattern.
 
thanks for all the info. i last took the zoloft monday at 6am. i tried a little less than a "theraputic dose" last night and felt a slight effect from it. i currently have enough molly to get 3 people rolling hard. i just hope that it's not a waste. once again, thanks for all of the info! :)
 
so i remember when i was on ssris and i would take mdma but, because it didnt work for me, i would take like 2 or 3 times the amount other peole would take.

do you think that, even though the mdma wasnt affecting me, it could have still been causing neurotoxic effects?
 
^ it would have been causing some toxic affects but i doubt neurotoxicity was heightened anymore than regular dosing..

Although giving the rats Prozac (fluoxetine) up to six hours after the MDMA prevented some of the damage, it was only a partial solution. Even at three hours, significant damage appears to have occurred. If there were reason to believe that somebody was beginning to suffer neurotoxic damage (high dose, heatstroke) an SSRI might be an effective 'rescue' medication to limit the extent of the damage.

That was after giving a rat fluoxetine (SSRI) AFTER MDMA.. beeing on one before and during will have helped neurotoxicity further..
 
My friend tapered off zoloft for 3 weeks and took some bomb molly. He rolled balls. It really is nice being with someone who is rolling for their first time.
 
I'm going to a fat rave in Manchester tomorrow, if you know the score you will know what one I am talking about

It looks like I will be doing my first pill in a good few years, and I am a bit apprehensive because I have had a few heart problems in recent years. Nothing major, but palpitations and an awareness of my heartbeat, this may all be brought on through anxiety? Who knows?

I have been on 100mg of Zoloft for years now, but I took my last one on Sunday night because I want the pills to work tomorrow.

I just want to have a good time raving, and I really do not want to die!!!!!
 
I'm going to a fat rave in Manchester tomorrow, if you know the score you will know what one I am talking about

It looks like I will be doing my first pill in a good few years, and I am a bit apprehensive because I have had a few heart problems in recent years. Nothing major, but palpitations and an awareness of my heartbeat, this may all be brought on through anxiety? Who knows?

I have been on 100mg of Zoloft for years now, but I took my last one on Sunday night because I want the pills to work tomorrow.

I just want to have a good time raving, and I really do not want to die!!!!!

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=437963
 
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