So Who Likes Benzos? Ver III: Blackouts and Amnesia

[p-man]

Really?? I'll definitely have to give it another try then. Maybe too little meth/too much oc the first time?

I'll post an update soon hopefully

 

[p-man]

Sooner than expected more so.. even though I spent over 1/2hr prepping and crushing up an oc for some odd reason (but went up smooth as silk!) %)

DEFINITELY feeling it a lot more this time .. and yes. Very nice indeeeeed!
Guess I botched something or maybe wasn't in the right state of mind the first time. Meth being something I usually never take just to kick back and relax on..


Apologies for going off track btw. I'll stop it here

 

[tyrael]

Hmm, I may have to indulge sometime when I have the cash.

Could someone please describe how it was, how it affected the gear high, how it affected the opie high and the resulting feeling once you've plateaued. This intrigues me.

On a similar note, I am hearing some wildly mixed report about combing stims with downers. For the major drugs, afaik, they'll be no pharmacological iterations however the resulting affect may cause issues in other organs.

If someone could point me to a reliable source, peer-reviewed pager, etc. That would be awesome!!!

 

[p-man]

For myself. Basically being very awake, with the pleasure of being able to indulge in the opie high at the same time. Quite a different feeling as I usually never mix oc with anything else.


On a different note. I've quite recently started taking/experimenting with Nitrazepam(Mogadon), and on a couple of occasions have awoken all of the sudden. With my whole body being in a paralyzed state with me being completely awake and open eyed.. and its taken ALL of my strength to even move a muscle let alone pull myself out of it
Completely freaked me out and has NEVER EVER happened with any other benzo. Listing alphra, bromaze, clonaze, diaze, nimetaze, temaze, zopidem which all have been used to/for sleep aside from nimetaze.

Any thoughts? Explanations on this?

 

[Divine Moments]

^ Sounds exactly like sleep paralysis (I know several people who experience it), though I'm not aware of any relation to benzos

 

[tyrael]

On a different note. I've quite recently started taking/experimenting with Nitrazepam(Mogadon), and on a couple of occasions have awoken all of the sudden. With my whole body being in a paralyzed state with me being completely awake and open eyed.. and its taken ALL of my strength to even move a muscle let alone pull myself out of it

My advise on this;

1. Becauseful with Nitrazepam- I've personally found you crave for it. This coupled with it's high amnesic effect (and long half-life), unless your stash is stored tightly. It's quite easy to go through them all and wake up (the next day if you're lucky) or be zombied out for a few days!

2. I can't give you answer as to why Nitraze would cause this though. Is it happening every night you use the nitraze? What if you were to take a one night break, does it still happen?
At a guess, I would think the Nitraze is messing with REM sleep. It's during this state of conciousness whereby your body is literally paralysed (excluding essential organs like the heart, the ears, etc.) Yeah, also sleep paralysis - I suffered from it quite bit as a kid but grew out of it.

Play it safe!

http://www.erowid.org/pharms/nimetazepam/nimetazepam.shtml

 

[p-man]

^Nitrazepam (which actually isn't listed on erowid) but I always do my research before taking a new pharms. I actually have this bookmarked and visit it quite frequently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines

For me, benzo's are only used when they're really needed. To keep tolerance down and so I don't end up relying on them every night to get to sleep. I've probably only used them 4-5 times in the last month and its happened on 2 separate occasions that I can recall. (dosage varying from 5-20mg)

I was basing it on the fact that it's a sedative/hypnotic and that I hadn't taken enough to knock me out all way. Therefore woken up earlier than expected while still being partially active in my system resulting in what DM posted/sleep paralysis.. but just looking for some closure really. If it worried me that much then I'd just stop taking it all together

 

[drug_FUCKED]

For myself. Basically being very awake, with the pleasure of being able to indulge in the opie high at the same time. Quite a different feeling as I usually never mix oc with anything else.


On a different note. I've quite recently started taking/experimenting with Nitrazepam(Mogadon), and on a couple of occasions have awoken all of the sudden. With my whole body being in a paralyzed state with me being completely awake and open eyed.. and its taken ALL of my strength to even move a muscle let alone pull myself out of it
Completely freaked me out and has NEVER EVER happened with any other benzo. Listing alphra, bromaze, clonaze, diaze, nimetaze, temaze, zopidem which all have been used to/for sleep aside from nimetaze.

Any thoughts? Explanations on this?

Yeah i have had this before not from benzos but it sounds just like sleep paralysis. Did you see demons or anything? I did
Its interesting that this is happening only with nitraz. I could find anything on MIMS about it so that must mean its not common. How long after dosing does this usually happen?
Next time it happens write down what time it happen and also take note of what time you took it. Are you taking any other drugs? When it happened to me i had been on a binge of drinking, md, mushis, dmt, weed and poppers for many days.

If people are looking for an alternative to benzo for sleep I have 2 meds that work great repreve and avanza.
Benzo addiction is the worse fate it! took me years to get off benzos! I cannt say this enough; if you have ever had a bad trip then you have some idea understand what benzo withdraw is like, its just much much longer!
Try to not use more than 2 days in a row, no more than 3 times a week and not use 2 weeks in a row.

If anyone is having trouble with benzos feel free to drop me a PM i have had a lot of experience with GABAs having being scripted everything except clobazam.

 

[p-man]

Pretty sure I had some wicked nightmare's to go with it, can't recall much of it though..
I had heard of sleep paralysis(though didn't know much about it), but don't believe I've ever experienced it before taking Nitrazepam

Btw before its mistaken, no pharms I've been taking/have taken have been prescribed to myself personally just to clear things up a bit.

 

[Tripman]

Weird, I love nitrazepam.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Funny thing with nitraz is it works on some people and is long acting but with other it doesn't work well at all.
Had you been on any drugs before having the nitraz? i mean where you on the meth or something for a while couldn't sleep so took some nitraz?

 

[p-man]

Xanies and Stilnox have always been personal favorites of mine! Nitrazepam is probably at the bottom of my list atm

Adding to DF's edit.
From memory its happened not too long after being taken, maybe no longer than 4-5hrs? Most recent one I was pretty much sober for.. had a very small amount of speed prior which barely did anything and with also a fair gap between the two. The other time I can't recall if I had anything prior to it, but I'd say there's good chance there had been meth in my system. The only other downers I ever really take are Oxycontin and GHB and have never gone on binges with them.

Appreciate the help/concern but I'm no where near addiction when it comes benzo's. But if I do ever run into any troubles with them, won't hesitate to shoot you a pm or post it right here. Cheers!

 

[Tripman]

When I had nitrazepam it was usually mixed with 2mg alprazolam and 20mg temazepam. But yeah I have pretty bad insomnia and throughout the day i would have taken another 4mg of alprazolam and a bunch of diazepam.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Stilnox gee that poison its certainly a trip if you can stay up on it but never worked for sleep for me. It just keeps doubling your vision with the more you take.

4-5 hours that strange cause nitraz should just be just peaking at that time. Maybe you should see if you can recreate it. Sleep paralysis kinda reminds me of yopo or ketamine and i like those.
If you were getting scripted these drugs telling the doc about might get you some strong meds
I recon a bit of sedating weed before bed might help unless your one of those people that gets stimulated by weed, because weed stops or makes you forget them

When I had nitrazepam it was usually mixed with 2mg alprazolam and 20mg temazepam. But yeah I have pretty bad insomnia and throughout the day i would have taken another 4mg of alprazolam and a bunch of diazepam.

Sounds like a good mixer but personally I recon you got too many short acting benzos for my tastes.

 

[p-man]

So far. Stilnox has been the ONLY benzo that can guarantee me a decent/clean sleep after smoking meth. Which is actually the reason why I started with benzo's in the first place I think.

Come to think of it, probably better if I give nitraz a rest. The only reason why I was taking it was because it was new(to me) and was seeing how it compared against the other's I've tried. But that is a pretty good idea with the doc mate! Now you got me thinking lol!

Umm.. I never really smoked weed tbh, and don't plan on starting hehe

 

[Tripman]

Stilnox is technically not a benzo. It's zolpidem, one of the Z-class sleeping drugs. It's technically an imidazopyridine.

 

[p-man]

Whoops, yep. Somehow got into the habit of calling it a benzo.. been corrected a few times now but still can't help it!

Well its basically the only prescription med that I've come across so far that works best with my body in order to get a proper nights sleep. Never needed to take more than 10mg too

 

[Tripman]

I much prefer it to the other Z-class sleeping drugs. Zopiclone really doesn't do a great deal for me apart from give me metal mouth.

It does have similar properties to benzo's so i can see how you'd mix them up.

 

[misk]

be weary if you use stilnox frequently and especially if you use it after meth use lol.
i found all it took was one night for my body not to be quite ready to be told to sleep by the stilnox and ever since then i can't take it.

it really depends on the cause of your insomnia, but i used to need help sleeping due to nerve pain and i'd take a stilnox and it just wasn't enough to put me to sleep, but my brain would think its dreaming, while i lay there awake.

i'd always been keen to try nitraz but found it very awkward to bring up with the Dr.
is it really all its made out to be compared to z-drugs for sleep?
the only benzo-type hypnotic i could take was zopiclone due to its longer half life and it was less likely to cause blackouts, but it wasn't that effective either.

 

[drug_FUCKED]

Whoops, yep. Somehow got into the habit of calling it a benzo.. been corrected a few times now but still can't help it!

Well its basically the only prescription med that I've come across so far that works best with my body in order to get a proper nights sleep. Never needed to take more than 10mg too

what ones have you tried cause it certainly not the best choice.

Just say to your doctor your problem with sleeping and say its effecting other areas of your life. Take what you get, dont argue, act dumb, then take the medication as directed and then if it doesn't work up the dose. If it still doesn't work try to go back to the doctor asap and say it didn't work. Dont wait a week and go see him again, see him asap.

If your doctor wont help you there are plenty of other doctor that will. This is not a doctor shopping thing merely a way of getting your insomnia treated.
I must have gone to 100 different doctors over the years and only a hand full were helpful. thankfully now days i am scripted a nice range of benzos and barbs for every occasion.

With stilnox people should be aware that tolerance and addiction do occur.

Pharmacodynamics. Zolpidem belongs to the imidazopyridine group of compounds and is structurally unrelated to other hypnotic agents. Zolpidem selectively binds the omega-1 receptor subtype (also known as the benzodiazepine-1 subtype) which is the alpha unit of the GABA-A receptor complex. Whereas benzodiazepines non-selectively bind all three omega receptor subtypes, zolpidem preferentially binds the omega-1 subtype. The modulation of the chloride anion channel via this receptor leads to the specific sedative effects demonstrated by zolpidem, i.e. the preservation of deep sleep (stages 3 and 4 slow wave sleep).

MIMS