flexmasta12
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This might sound wierd but i'm more scared of abusing pharm's than illicit drugs. i've just seen & heard many stories of how quickly people get addicted and the withdrawels being hell.
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So who likes benzos? El Benzo Threado Spectacularrrr 2nd Edition
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drug_mentor
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TripppAR I don't use benzodiazepines daily thankfully, there have been a few periods where I came pretty close but sometimes I take a week or two off and I am definately not addicted. I use benzo's a few times a week at the moment, sometimes less.
S.M.F.G
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weeerl im loveing Klopin atm, ive steped fullly away from xanax now and have little desire to redose on them as opposed to tha xanax i was reachin 4 more all the time and useing grapefruit juice n a beer or two, last two days i droped the grapefruit juice out with little effect (although ive a healthy supply of op8s for pain atm) but the fact of the longer halflife definitly has swayed me towards klopin, although the two are quite on par strengthwise![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
puckboy
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Thanks mate, and I hope one day you find a way to deal with your anxiety too.
I don't try hard enough myself to do things that will help reduce my anxiety because I've always looked for that 'quick fix', I've always been like that though (even with non-drug related things).
I have a new GPt that has taken over my anxiaty/sleep issues. i've had 2 sessions him with and my first visit i got 100 .5 mg of clonazepam, which i''ve never tried before and always wanted. it;s not under the PBS when not indicated for epilepsy so i paid a little extra and i have been started off an weekly pickup of 33 tablets. he's really good and straight away he knew that i knew what i was talking about and could have an in-depth discussion on the medication. he mentioned price because i'm unemployed ATM (but thinking of creating an on-line NSP). so when i go back i going to tell him that they're the best for my anxiaty, because prior to seeing this GP i has see several others in the same practice. one wanted to trough xanax at me and another struggled to give me valium and fortes. but now that i'm happy with ny new GP i feel he'll simply put me on the 2mg clonaz tablets simply because of the price.... it's virtually the same but you get and get 100 tablets... yes 200 2mg tablets of clonazepam, which is like a combination of xanax and diazepam IMO lol
well lets do the maths for that 2mg is apparently rhe same as 40mg of valium, but i don't have much experience with clonaz but i know xanax 2mg bricks is meant to be 40mg of valium, but from my experience it feels like 30mg,,, i'd imagine it be easier to compare clonaz to valium because of the similar onset and duration////.// so who here has experience with clonaz and its pro, cons
strength un comparison to other strong benzo's.
recreational value,
use for ending psychedelic tip,
WD'ing,
potential for addiction,
tolerance and build up rate
effect sex druve more. less thab average benzo
I'm sure there are other questions and i hope there are guys out there with some experience on thiis medication. when i mentioned maths before. if one had 200 2m pills, 4 grams of clonazepam then that would be the equivalent to 700 5 mg of diazepam or 14 scripts. like i was saying before, we got on perfectly and because he's put down to take 2 .5 tablets 3 times a day so what i'll tell him is that it's more cost effective to get the 2 mg tablets and that for relief i find 2mg to be sufficient
. he'll definitely go for it, but he might get me to continue to weekly pick up until i settle in with it
Anyway my next visit i talk about how clonanzepam is good for anxiety but i'be always had sleeping issues and insomnia, i asked for a long acting hypnotic(all i could think about was hypnodorm) so he asked what i had taken befor. i didn;t want to say temaze because my tolerance is 3weeks at bout 10mg of equiv diazepam a day and temaze dont do shit, so he gave me mogadon or nitrazepam 25 big tablets.... i rec'd once on it... took 7 but again, i should taper down a bit. felt slightly euphoric but i had some codeine with it
so yeah thats my little benzo update. i hadn't had any for a while because i changed GP's the last one would give me loraz and oxaz but not clonaz. eventually i'll want to try oxazepam again, but anyway with this new doctor, who kind of specilises in benzo's and offeres flumazinil reatment(gaba antagonist?) like nalaxone to opiates) so he seems pretty care free when handing out benzo's.
which leads me.... i'm not going to ask for hypnodorm on my 3rd visit, but i'm not sure when i comes to hypnotics... i know hypnodorm comes in 30, and authorityy for 60 90 120 etc. but from what i can recall they seem to only come in 25.... is this the case? Should i ask for midazolam or tirazolam..... i don't know.... i'm not asking for DS tips BTW. MY GP is just comfortable with giving me benzo's as he's seen all me history of anxiety depression and sometimes insomnia and is listening to all the factors building in my life.
so i'm covered for a benzo for general anxiety and panic attacks, what are some of my options for a benzo at night.... no z drugs as i have a taste in my mouth the next day.
and if anyone knows, i'm pretty sure clonaz is the biggest script but what about sleepers? fuck it i might just ask for hypnodorm once i'm on the 2mg clonaz.... i'll let you guys know
well lets do the maths for that 2mg is apparently rhe same as 40mg of valium, but i don't have much experience with clonaz but i know xanax 2mg bricks is meant to be 40mg of valium, but from my experience it feels like 30mg,,, i'd imagine it be easier to compare clonaz to valium because of the similar onset and duration////.// so who here has experience with clonaz and its pro, cons
strength un comparison to other strong benzo's.
recreational value,
use for ending psychedelic tip,
WD'ing,
potential for addiction,
tolerance and build up rate
effect sex druve more. less thab average benzo
I'm sure there are other questions and i hope there are guys out there with some experience on thiis medication. when i mentioned maths before. if one had 200 2m pills, 4 grams of clonazepam then that would be the equivalent to 700 5 mg of diazepam or 14 scripts. like i was saying before, we got on perfectly and because he's put down to take 2 .5 tablets 3 times a day so what i'll tell him is that it's more cost effective to get the 2 mg tablets and that for relief i find 2mg to be sufficient
. he'll definitely go for it, but he might get me to continue to weekly pick up until i settle in with it
Anyway my next visit i talk about how clonanzepam is good for anxiety but i'be always had sleeping issues and insomnia, i asked for a long acting hypnotic(all i could think about was hypnodorm) so he asked what i had taken befor. i didn;t want to say temaze because my tolerance is 3weeks at bout 10mg of equiv diazepam a day and temaze dont do shit, so he gave me mogadon or nitrazepam 25 big tablets.... i rec'd once on it... took 7 but again, i should taper down a bit. felt slightly euphoric but i had some codeine with it
so yeah thats my little benzo update. i hadn't had any for a while because i changed GP's the last one would give me loraz and oxaz but not clonaz. eventually i'll want to try oxazepam again, but anyway with this new doctor, who kind of specilises in benzo's and offeres flumazinil reatment(gaba antagonist?) like nalaxone to opiates) so he seems pretty care free when handing out benzo's.
which leads me.... i'm not going to ask for hypnodorm on my 3rd visit, but i'm not sure when i comes to hypnotics... i know hypnodorm comes in 30, and authorityy for 60 90 120 etc. but from what i can recall they seem to only come in 25.... is this the case? Should i ask for midazolam or tirazolam..... i don't know.... i'm not asking for DS tips BTW. MY GP is just comfortable with giving me benzo's as he's seen all me history of anxiety depression and sometimes insomnia and is listening to all the factors building in my life.
so i'm covered for a benzo for general anxiety and panic attacks, what are some of my options for a benzo at night.... no z drugs as i have a taste in my mouth the next day.
and if anyone knows, i'm pretty sure clonaz is the biggest script but what about sleepers? fuck it i might just ask for hypnodorm once i'm on the 2mg clonaz.... i'll let you guys know
Verybuffed
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In the A.C.T. you do.
bobbydarren
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When going to a new Dr, many Dr's won't outright say no, but instead say you need to seen by a psychologist/Psychiatrist before he can prescribe & may prescribe 'just this once'. He may also have a prop letter that is in easy reachable distance which he'll show you, being a warning to him about over prescribing. He'll say something like "I trust you, but I have to cover my back, if the psych agrees you have a condition that requires this medication I can prescribe"
Well my view on this, is the dr is just full of shit, but is scared to say outright NO, but it is a no, a non-confrontational no. He'll likely suspect you'll never bother going to a psych and you'll just dr shop at the next dr instead.
So my opinion is that if a dr tries that bullshit on with you, just go to another dr, because he doesn't trust you and probably thinks you're just a filthy drug addict.
Dr's can prescribe benzos but many will pretend they have to refer you to a psychologist/psychiatrist before they're allowed to.
drug_mentor
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^ I have got plenty of flat out no's in my time but I do agree most do try and give a less confrontational no, it is worth considering I am a (usually) quite scruffy looking 20 year old male that is probably the demographic most quickly profiled as drug seekers.
The psychologist thing is likely when talking anxiolytic benzo's, I have never had this happen when asking for a sedative. In melbourne a GP can give you a referral to see a mental health specialist so medicare pays for a certain number of sessions (I think 5 or 6) and you can do this every 6 months.
Many doctors will write a one off script but ask you not to return, a doctor you have some history with will often be cool giving you a script every few months to take as needed if he has no reason to assume you are seeing other doctors.
Too many GP's say they aren't allowed which is a flat out lie, I get annoyed by being lied to, if they want to refuse me that is fine but don't patronise me. I have to say I have never been presented with a "prop letter" as you put it bobbydarren.
The psychologist thing is likely when talking anxiolytic benzo's, I have never had this happen when asking for a sedative. In melbourne a GP can give you a referral to see a mental health specialist so medicare pays for a certain number of sessions (I think 5 or 6) and you can do this every 6 months.
Many doctors will write a one off script but ask you not to return, a doctor you have some history with will often be cool giving you a script every few months to take as needed if he has no reason to assume you are seeing other doctors.
Too many GP's say they aren't allowed which is a flat out lie, I get annoyed by being lied to, if they want to refuse me that is fine but don't patronise me. I have to say I have never been presented with a "prop letter" as you put it bobbydarren.
bobbydarren
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Yeah, you need a regular dr. All the dr's at my regular medical centre disappeared, & i'm left with this lying dr, too afraid to even presribe tramadol for pain.
I've had the prop letter from the health authority shown to me by 3 different dr's. It's likely not training for them to do that, but probably this technique is passed from Dr. to Dr. & they like it, because a possibly deranged patient can't blame the dr for not presribing, it's just that he's not allowed to.
A lot of dr's see difficulty sleeping as a symptom of mental illness. "If you can't sleep, why?" If you say something about finding it difficult to sleep due to anxiety then you're a perfect candidate to be forced to see a psych (or better still don't come back)
When you think about it, other reasons for lack of sleep are usually transient. Shift worker changing shifts, temporary pain, death in the family.
I think most people have difficulty with sleep due to anxiety but I don't believe a psychologist can help me.
I've had the prop letter from the health authority shown to me by 3 different dr's. It's likely not training for them to do that, but probably this technique is passed from Dr. to Dr. & they like it, because a possibly deranged patient can't blame the dr for not presribing, it's just that he's not allowed to.
A lot of dr's see difficulty sleeping as a symptom of mental illness. "If you can't sleep, why?" If you say something about finding it difficult to sleep due to anxiety then you're a perfect candidate to be forced to see a psych (or better still don't come back)
When you think about it, other reasons for lack of sleep are usually transient. Shift worker changing shifts, temporary pain, death in the family.
I think most people have difficulty with sleep due to anxiety but I don't believe a psychologist can help me.
drug_mentor
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^ I have been referred to see a sleep specialist but they atleast gave some sleeping pills. I never took the study because my problem isn't waking up its getting to sleep, and I would of been on drugs which would mess with the results anyway. Plus it costs like 80 bucks.
I have had SO much bullshit shoved in my face about insomnia over the years about how to cure it and blah blah blah and there are definately people who suggest other psychological things but nobody ever, including doctors, has suggested I see a psychologist due to insomnia or a request for sleeping pills.
This is getting a little off topic anyway, I had a bit of bromazepam the other night and have to say I am really coming to enjoy that benzo.
I have had SO much bullshit shoved in my face about insomnia over the years about how to cure it and blah blah blah and there are definately people who suggest other psychological things but nobody ever, including doctors, has suggested I see a psychologist due to insomnia or a request for sleeping pills.
This is getting a little off topic anyway, I had a bit of bromazepam the other night and have to say I am really coming to enjoy that benzo.
psytaco
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Drug Mentor: as someone who has suffered from insomnia on and off for about 5 years now, I feel your pain.
But to be honest, benzos or any sort of sleeping tablet is not the answer to the problem of insomnia. Yeah, they will get you to sleep, but they come with plenty of side effects (addiction been the big one in the case of benzos). The problem with sleeping tablets is they don't let your brain enter REM sleep which is when alot of psychological rejuvination or rest may occur. So you'll notice that when you wake up the next day, you will have slept, but you never feel as rested psychologically as when you sleep naturally.
some things that let you sleep with REM sleep are strong antihistimines. there is also this herbal remedy called 'rescue sleep' which are drops you put on your tongue. they do a good job in calming your mind before you go to sleep and relaxing you. I used them when going through benzo withdrawals and afterwards for general insomnia, and they were surprisingly effective.
if you are going to go the drug route for insomnia I recommend zolpediem (stilnox) or zolpleclone (Imarest) due to their lack of addictiveness.
seeing a psychologist and getting your sleep hygiene in order might be necessary if you do want to try and beat insomnia, as particularly for men, sleep is one of the first things to go when they are anxious or depressed.
But to be honest, benzos or any sort of sleeping tablet is not the answer to the problem of insomnia. Yeah, they will get you to sleep, but they come with plenty of side effects (addiction been the big one in the case of benzos). The problem with sleeping tablets is they don't let your brain enter REM sleep which is when alot of psychological rejuvination or rest may occur. So you'll notice that when you wake up the next day, you will have slept, but you never feel as rested psychologically as when you sleep naturally.
some things that let you sleep with REM sleep are strong antihistimines. there is also this herbal remedy called 'rescue sleep' which are drops you put on your tongue. they do a good job in calming your mind before you go to sleep and relaxing you. I used them when going through benzo withdrawals and afterwards for general insomnia, and they were surprisingly effective.
if you are going to go the drug route for insomnia I recommend zolpediem (stilnox) or zolpleclone (Imarest) due to their lack of addictiveness.
seeing a psychologist and getting your sleep hygiene in order might be necessary if you do want to try and beat insomnia, as particularly for men, sleep is one of the first things to go when they are anxious or depressed.
debaser
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Of course they are addictive. If not more than benzos.
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I really think you are misinformed on the addictive potential of Z-Drugs there psytaco, I am sure they are addictive, although probably less so than benzodiazepines.
I think overall they are a better option for sleeping than benzo's as they are less recreational (for me) but more hynotic than most benzo's and seem to induce a more refreshing sleep. Imovane leaves a funny taste in my mouth though so I prefer zolpidem.
For me I favour high doses of longer acting anxiolytic benzodiazepines for sleeping if I need them because then I can enjoy anxiety relief into the next day. Generally I use benzo's for anxiety and weed and alcohol for insomnia.
I think overall they are a better option for sleeping than benzo's as they are less recreational (for me) but more hynotic than most benzo's and seem to induce a more refreshing sleep. Imovane leaves a funny taste in my mouth though so I prefer zolpidem.
For me I favour high doses of longer acting anxiolytic benzodiazepines for sleeping if I need them because then I can enjoy anxiety relief into the next day. Generally I use benzo's for anxiety and weed and alcohol for insomnia.
psytaco
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really? though have nothing but personal experience to back this up with, I used them every night for over a 6 month period. My tolerance grew to the point where I needed 3 stilnox to sleep.
After my thesis was written and hence my stress was gone, i ceased taking them. I didn't taper or use anything else to sleep. i slept perfectly fine from there on and had noticed no withdrawal symptoms what so ever.
MrIbis
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lol, yeah that metallic taste from imovane is fair shit. I noticed it went away with progressive use. like on the next few doses i didnt get it. the first one sucked but.
I quite like the body feeling i get from z-drugs.
I quite like the body feeling i get from z-drugs.
drug_mentor
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Z-Drugs do synergise well with marijuana, and alcohol to an extent (although combining them with alcohol is a TERRIBLE idea) and they lower ones inhibitions greatly but I always turn into a loopy guy who talks a hell of a lot of shit on them.
7.5mg of zopiclone didn't give me the metallic taste too badly, but it was definately noticeable. Much like zolpidem I felt very refreshed the day after I took it and had a solid, undisturbed sleep.
7.5mg of zopiclone didn't give me the metallic taste too badly, but it was definately noticeable. Much like zolpidem I felt very refreshed the day after I took it and had a solid, undisturbed sleep.
slowpoke1967
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I totaly agree with ya.Most people talk about the WD from opiates and how bad it is but i can say that after one day without my benzos the WD are terrible.I suffer from anxiety on top of so many other things and if i dont have my clones the feeling is absolutley terrible and i have to beg for a a couple days worthe till i get my script again.
I also take temazepams ,nozinans and seroquel but if i run out of clones i can use temazepams if i still have any that is,but if im out of bothe i cant last a day without going into WD and that is one shitty feeling,it feels like yer going nuts and i shake and feel sick ,the whole bit.Most peeps wouldnt say that you can even have WD from benzos but believe me you can ,Specially when youve been on high doses for years......
slowpoke1967
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man i didnt even know ya could get ten mg temazepams.
I have only seen 15 mg or 30 mg here in canada.
Bothe in capsule form.
I get 30s 60 a month
And i did used to take them recreational back before i had a permanent script.
I found that taken 5 while smokin pot felt great ,but as stated on this thread you realy become tollerant to all benzos i can take what would kill alot of people and still bairly feel them .
But if i lie down i will crash out..
And true enough taken alot of benzos while drinking will make you ferget what the hell you did the night before .
Thoughi found that while on them the night before while drinkin you dont seem to have a problem and can associate fine.
Youll just ferget everything you did the night before,as it shuts the lymbic system of the brain off.which is aslo why you will probably not dream at all.
its like you crash then wake up a minute later even though 10 hours may have passed...
I have only seen 15 mg or 30 mg here in canada.
Bothe in capsule form.
I get 30s 60 a month
And i did used to take them recreational back before i had a permanent script.
I found that taken 5 while smokin pot felt great ,but as stated on this thread you realy become tollerant to all benzos i can take what would kill alot of people and still bairly feel them .
But if i lie down i will crash out..
And true enough taken alot of benzos while drinking will make you ferget what the hell you did the night before .
Thoughi found that while on them the night before while drinkin you dont seem to have a problem and can associate fine.
Youll just ferget everything you did the night before,as it shuts the lymbic system of the brain off.which is aslo why you will probably not dream at all.
its like you crash then wake up a minute later even though 10 hours may have passed...
zopiclone i will not take because of that taste. it really has an awful comedown. zolpidem was the first (non)benzo i rec'd on and surprising that i still remember now. From what i've heard, why would a GP prescribe zopiclone over zolpidem? they're both quick to act and have short HL's i think... since that one time recently, of zopiclone 7.5mg, i havent had any experience with them.
is the honeymoon with GP's and Z drugs over, or is it still "less addictive" "fewer side effects" etc?
Right now, after the occasional diazepam oxazepam combo week or 2 then 6 weeks off, i've talked to a new GP and he was happy to write me a script of Clonazepam. I couldn't beileveve it because i've always wanted to try it and here's me getting rx'd 100 2mg tablets every 3 weeks to be taken 2 t.i.b as required. I was too busy tring to hide my loy as he was looking at is monitor to look up clonaz. he was saying something about the .5mg tablet and we had a conversation of what i thought was him saying he'll start me on the .5's.
I took the 2mg tablets for 2 weeks thinking they were the .5's. on day 2 i had nothing to do so i thought i try a rec dose. I alreay had a mild tollerence to benzo's before the clonazepam and the night before i think i took 6 tablets thinking it was 3 mg. I felt good but actually wqas a little disappointed because i thought 3mg would of felt better and in reality it 12mg of clonaz? and the nect day i rec'd and did what i thought was 6mg, but was of course 24 mg. well it made buprenorphine feel like oxycodone. anyway my tollerernce took a soaking in those 2 weeks but i've dosed 2x2mg in the morning and one 2mg at night for the last 7 days easily so overall so far i think its a very stable benzo to be on. i find it has no negative effects and yeah... pretty much a xanax crossed between diazepam sums up Clonaz. i'd love to rec on it with fuck all benzo tolerance and am thinking of sticking to a 3mg a day regime to 2mg and then i will be able to start spiking days without any discomfort. I'deally i would like to only take it when necessary and stockpile it.
great benzo with it's no nonsense sultlty benzo feeling with more of a euphoric and a less of a boadyload benzo, which has legs and legs and synergyses very well with buprenorphine... speaking of HL's i think bupe and clonaz is roughly the same
is the honeymoon with GP's and Z drugs over, or is it still "less addictive" "fewer side effects" etc?
Right now, after the occasional diazepam oxazepam combo week or 2 then 6 weeks off, i've talked to a new GP and he was happy to write me a script of Clonazepam. I couldn't beileveve it because i've always wanted to try it and here's me getting rx'd 100 2mg tablets every 3 weeks to be taken 2 t.i.b as required. I was too busy tring to hide my loy as he was looking at is monitor to look up clonaz. he was saying something about the .5mg tablet and we had a conversation of what i thought was him saying he'll start me on the .5's.
I took the 2mg tablets for 2 weeks thinking they were the .5's. on day 2 i had nothing to do so i thought i try a rec dose. I alreay had a mild tollerence to benzo's before the clonazepam and the night before i think i took 6 tablets thinking it was 3 mg. I felt good but actually wqas a little disappointed because i thought 3mg would of felt better and in reality it 12mg of clonaz? and the nect day i rec'd and did what i thought was 6mg, but was of course 24 mg. well it made buprenorphine feel like oxycodone. anyway my tollerernce took a soaking in those 2 weeks but i've dosed 2x2mg in the morning and one 2mg at night for the last 7 days easily so overall so far i think its a very stable benzo to be on. i find it has no negative effects and yeah... pretty much a xanax crossed between diazepam sums up Clonaz. i'd love to rec on it with fuck all benzo tolerance and am thinking of sticking to a 3mg a day regime to 2mg and then i will be able to start spiking days without any discomfort. I'deally i would like to only take it when necessary and stockpile it.
great benzo with it's no nonsense sultlty benzo feeling with more of a euphoric and a less of a boadyload benzo, which has legs and legs and synergyses very well with buprenorphine... speaking of HL's i think bupe and clonaz is roughly the same
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