RCs so what's the deal with mephedrone?

[FlowerOfLife]

Anyone selling these drugs is preying on the vulnerability of unhappy people or those with mood problems who may be desperate to change the way they feel, and who would be better on prescribed appropriate treatments.They sell for their own selfish gains and do not care at all about what happens next. They do not see the physical, emotional, social, legal, psychological and behavioural damage, and they do noit care about the effects during drug use or after effects ! They rely on the stupidity and experimentation of youngsters and the vulnerability of those with mental problems looking for ways to lift their mood, or sustain a high, or treat a depression, but it is no solution and generally makes matters much worse. They are not there to pick up the pieces of distressed individuals and traumatized families and wrecked relationships, and serious mental illnesses disrupted. The people selling these drugs are parasites, and the buyers fools ! stupid ,vulnerable , poor fools !

yeah well theres good and bad everywhere, u cant have 1 without the other. Where ever money is involved theres always potential 4 problemos, but it dosent mean all drug dealers are bad and all drug users end up in trouble-ups and downs swings and roundabouts, most things are just perfect the way they are its just difficult to see it sometimes

 

[dice101]

Man hopefulness why do you think that the only reason people do drugs is because they have a mental disorder or as you put it are "stupid"? I feel that this is a very false statment especially since throughout history there have been many very inteligent people that have done drugs there have even been whole civilizations that practiced using hallucinigions as a way to help them religously. So Hopefulness do you think that all of these people through history were just idiots or did they all just have emotional disorders.

 

[tyrael]

I think he/she just came on to troll. All 4 post of his has been 'anti-drug', talking crap. =/ *sigh*

 

[Falcon0r]

My good friend used to have a coke problem. He got sober and has been doing this shit nonstop. Went through about 7 grams of it, ran out, ordered more, went through about 10 grams in like a month. I'm really worried about the kind of shit this may be doing to him, but he claims to, when he doesn't have it/hasn't used it for a while, feel no different than before he did it. His health has not declined nor has he turned into a social retard or shown some kind of evidence of mental/psychological damage. While he has cravings, he has yet to have any kind of physical addiction to it.

BL talks about mephedrone like it is the worst substance you can possible put into your body, but we have yet to experience anything bad. I am hoping this doesn't turn into a "Told you so" situation when suddenly bad things just start happening, but is this being exaggerated?

 

[Shambles]

Possibly. Possibly not. If it is then I'd quite possibly be a prime exaggerator but I've read about and seen for myself the state of people in various stages of addiction - when it's up to several grams a day it really isn't pretty at all. And some of the stories (media so who knows ) of all the standard addict stuff - burglaries/robberies, addicts breaking into dealers houses and robbing their meph at knifepoint, 12 year old kids snorting it at school, young girls prostituting themselves for it and so on I'd say there's some cause for concern on the addiction potential, myself.

It also metabolises to a known and highly potent cardiotoxin so it almost certainly damages the heart - maybe a lot, maybe not such a lot but at the levels of abuse some are at...

Given the amount of gobsmacking stupidity and ignorance out there in the real world and on some other forums in webworld (not drug-based forums) where people are actively recommending multi-gram sessions in a night, snorting lines of a gram at a time and the like I personally err on the side of caution (or outright disgust sometimes when in crotchety mood I must admit 8)). Check out the various threads - Big OD Meph Thread, How Toxic is Mephedrone? and the many Meph Megathreads (and the Meph Addiction Thread) in my sig cover just about all sides from lovers to loathers and anything in between.

Check 'em out and decide for yourself

 

[.xbuzzybeex.]

i suppose because there is so much unknown about this drug and the bluelight community is rather caring, they just want people to realise that not knowing much and no research is probably a bad thing. there has already been cases of worst case scenario and i suppose they dont want this to happen to anyone else, so i think exaggerating it slightly will get the message across to some people

i can see that sometimes people take it a little too far and arguements start, but we should look after ourselves and each other.

mephedrone and drugs alike it havent been tested like the "original" ones have been because it simply hasn't been enough time or the "need" by the government to test them.

Just be responsible with drug use and if you notice things going badly, get help!

I just hope that mephedrone isnt as bad as we all htink it is....obviously it quite possibly be likely that its very bad for you...

but then again...arguements about how too much of anything is bad...blah blah blah

just be careful inits xx

 

[Coolio]

The real reason the Bluelight community doesn't really like mephedrone much is because it isn't even a good drug. The effects are so short, and there are numerous other entactogens which are just plain more useful recreationally that don't have the toxicity issues.

 

[Shambles]

There are still plenty more who would strongly disagree though - type "mephedrone" (or "methedrone" or other assorted names it's picked up) and I think you'll find those who are less than enamoured are very much in the minority still. I'm no fan but each to their own and all that, I suppose. Definitely a lot less "ZOMG!1!!1!!! Best drug EVAR!!12\!" posts than there was a while back though. Novelty seems to be wearing off just a bit... and when it does I'm gonna come out as a secret mephelator

 

[Oxymorphone]

Well whatever the case is I have a little under a gram waiting for me I'm going to try with a friend later. We'll see how it goes. Any advice to get the most out of it (smart ass comments aside)? If I want to give someone a sample to try what's the minimum dose needed to really feel the effects?

 

[Shambles]

Bomb it rather than snorting - much nicer high, lasts longer with less of the shitty effects and fiending.

I'd say 150-200mg is a decent first dose - less is always an option but many find it underwhelming - not completely monged but still a bit of kick. Maybe 250mg if you want the fully spangled effect. Some like to sniff a 50mg or so line after bombing but it kicks in pretty quick anyway so not a huge difference - depends if you have nasal fetish really.

See, no smartarsery here :D

 

[Oxymorphone]

Bomb it rather than snorting - much nicer high, lasts longer with less of the shitty effects and fiending.

I'd say 150-200mg is a decent first dose - less is always an option but many find it underwhelming - not completely monged but still a bit of kick. Maybe 250mg if you want the fully spangled effect. Some like to sniff a 50mg or so line after bombing but it kicks in pretty quick anyway so not a huge difference - depends if you have nasal fetish really.

See, no smartarsery here :D

Thanks. This may be a dumb question but what's the best way to bomb it? Wrap it in tissue paper and swallow, put it in a capsule (I might have a couple empty adderall xr caps laying around), or just mix it in a shot of water and knock it back?

I am a needle fiend so I want to try IVing it after trying other methods just for the hell of it. What's a good way to eyeball dosages if you don't have a scale? I'm not sure what I'm getting is exactly a gram (I think it's more like .9) so dividing it up would be an ok approximation I just have a hard time visualizing 50mg of powder.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Also how does mephedrone mix with opiates?

 

[Shambles]

Meph with opiates is better than meph alone, IMO. Eases the jitters (if you are one of those that gets them bad) and smoothes some of the rough edges.

Bombing: I'd say put it in a Rizla/other cig paper but I guess tissue would be the same - sticks in my throat though. Also works well just dropped in a shotglass with liquid of choice and knocked back.

Other ROA would be sublingual - supposed to greatly reduce side-effects and/or comedown... at least those that say so say so. Put it in a small amount of liquid and swill it round your mouth for as long as you can stand - 60secs or so is okay I hear - then swallow. Taste's nasty though

Plugged? For once I'd say skip it if not your thang cos the oral come up is quick, dose is similar and the rectal BA doesn't seem significantly higher - can reduce side-effects though. Not often I don't ram plugging up ya hole so must be a bit meh

IV: Honestly, it's a big disppoinment IMO. 100mg is when it starts to get more interesting to me (below is does little but bit of speediness and loadsa side-effects for me) but even at 100mg+ don't go expecting bell-ringers, bliss or bugger all difference from snorting really - quick, dirty, fiendish and more side-effect than fun. Nice for maybe 15mins or so but not worth it and that stuff is highly corrosive by all accounts (drop a coin or the like in solution to see how bad an idea it is to shoot). If you've IVed just about anything else you really will find it a waste and a complete letdown, I find. YMMV etc...

Ih you have a gram or so just divvy into 10 piles similar size and go forth and have fun


(or be deeply disappointed and wonder what the hype is about

for you know you way :D


PS can be smoked as it is if you really like smoking toilet duck and hacking up chucks of crap regularly - not nice having to smoke 75-100mg of harsh as fuck perfumed smoke for an effect that, again, is too similar to sniffing or IV it an ROA with comsiderisom

 

[Oxymorphone]

Meph with opiates is better than meph alone, IMO. Eases the jitters (if you are one of those that gets them bad) and smoothes some of the rough edges.

Bombing: I'd say put it in a Rizla/other cig paper but I guess tissue would be the same - sticks in my throat though. Also works well just dropped in a shotglass with liquid of choice and knocked back.

Other ROA would be sublingual - supposed to greatly reduce side-effects and/or comedown... at least those that say so say so. Put it in a small amount of liquid and swill it round your mouth for as long as you can stand - 60secs or so is okay I hear - then swallow. Taste's nasty though

Plugged? For once I'd say skip it if not your thang cos the oral come up is quick, dose is similar and the rectal BA doesn't seem significantly higher - can reduce side-effects though. Not often I don't ram plugging up ya hole so must be a bit meh

IV: Honestly, it's a big disppoinment IMO. 100mg is when it starts to get more interesting to me (below is does little but bit of speediness and loadsa side-effects for me) but even at 100mg+ don't go expecting bell-ringers, bliss or bugger all difference from snorting really - quick, dirty, fiendish and more side-effect than fun. Nice for maybe 15mins or so but not worth it and that stuff is highly corrosive by all accounts (drop a coin or the like in solution to see how bad an idea it is to shoot). If you've IVed just about anything else you really will find it a waste and a complete letdown, I find. YMMV etc...

Ih you have a gram or so just divvy into 10 piles similar size and go forth and have fun


(or be deeply disappointed and wonder what the hype is about

for you know you way :D


PS can be smoked as it is if you really like smoking toilet duck and hacking up chucks of crap regularly - not nice having to smoke 75-100mg of harsh as fuck perfumed smoke for an effect that, again, is too similar to sniffing or IV it an ROA with comsiderisom

Thanks for the solid reply. Yeah I might skip IVing on this one, I like my veins and I'll be getting some dope and maybe dillies and was wondering if doing either of them with it would negate the effects or if it would be a good synergy, Ill get my IV fix with that. Does it cancel out the opiate high at all? I was thinking of shooting up first to get the rush and enjoying the initial opiate high for an hour or so then once it starts to get to the point where it feels sustained and normal break out the mephedrone.

So many people say they snort a little after bombing, is snorting really that bad? I'll definitely start off by bombing 150-200mg. I'll probably do a small 50mg line as well just to see what it's like. Also, anything against stuffing gel-caps for bombing or is it just personal preference/habit? This should be an interesting night.

 

[Shambles]

Personally the only synergistic effects I've noted with meph are with other similar stims (methylone and butylone specifically - probably cos they all feel like "half a drug" on their own, if you know what I mean) and one or two psyches (2C-I in a big way and 2C-C was okay). Downer stuff I find is best to help with the jitteriness and roughness of it - it really does feel "dirty" to me on the body aside from the very brief peak when it's fun... even if it does feel a bit like you've been given a lobotomy with shitty coke as a painkiller (IMO and all that).

Never used with nice opies like that, but I've taken a good dose of codeine before, after and often during (assuming 24 hour use which is on the low-end by many standards) but I get all the shitty effects and need something to ease them up a bit. The meph will probably overwhelm the opi but a dose (orally) only lasts maybe 1-2 hours max so that may give you an idea on timing. You really want a benzo or opie to come down with ideally, in my opinion.

Lines are okay - just once you've done one you'll snort the lot rapidly cos it's so short and fiendy. Also, many find if they snort more than just a kicker or two they don't feel the oral dose - it's pure tail chasing and leads nowhere but frustration for me (and many who once swore by sniffing). Also fucks your nose pretty bad sometimes - stings a tad, bleeding is pretty common and you'll be pouring snot for days if you sniff too much.

Gel-caps should do the job fine - just take longer to kick in is all. The Rizla/tissue/shot glass method has you up in 15mins or so and hits you all at once which is kinda important with meph cos it's not exactly potent and leaves you betwixt-and-between and chasing that ol' tail again. With only a gram that may well be an issue already :D

 

[Coolio]

There are still plenty more who would strongly disagree though - type "mephedrone" (or "methedrone" or other assorted names it's picked up) and I think you'll find those who are less than enamoured are very much in the minority still. I'm no fan but each to their own and all that, I suppose. Definitely a lot less "ZOMG!1!!1!!! Best drug EVAR!!12\!" posts than there was a while back though. Novelty seems to be wearing off just a bit... and when it does I'm gonna come out as a secret mephelator

Methedrone is a different, more euphoric drug than mephedrone. It's 4-methoxy instead of 4-methyl. It's suspected by many on BL to be more toxic than mephedrone but I have a feeling it's the better drug despite having yet to try it myself.

On the other hand, there are TONS of RC entactogens and stimulants out there that aren't very toxic or non-toxic now. Most mephedrone users have only tried meph and maybe MDMA or methylone - they haven't had a chance to try the variety of MDA, MDEA, 4-fluoroamphetamine, ethcathinone, desoxypipradrol, buphedrone, MMDA-2, MDAI, and all the other aminoindans, cathinones, amphetamines, etc. that are far superior.

 

[Oxymorphone]

Yeah maybe I'll stick to taking it orally, I usually regret sniffing stuff since it tends to be wasteful. Assuming it's close to a gram I would ideally like to just split it in half from the beginning and lock half of it away so I have around 450mg between two people to experiment with. We're not looking to binge, just try something different so I think just bombing it and enjoying it for an hour or two sounds good. Maybe set aside a little for lines as we're coming down and if we want to do more. It sounds like once you have it you can't stop but I can control myself with coke relatively well so I think I could be all right with this, plus were both downer people and dope addicts.

I'll probably just do a small amount of heroin or maybe dillaudid and enjoy it then take a ride with the meph and have enough nice opiates to transition to (I wouldn't really call it coming down since I expect to just go into a full opiate high after- which I hope works how I expect).

 

[Shambles]

^ Hehe. I wish you well. That works out at one good dose each, fiending kicking in after an hour or so with another dose just sat there... some can manage to resist but far more seem to struggle. I don't even like the stuff much but when someone gave me a 5g bag I still dosed around the clock till it was gone - one of those "itch you can't scratch" thangs - only you know the other half g will scratch it even if only for a short while

Much easier with oral dosing and if you have benzos/opies to come down and try t of forget it's there then all the better. You're a better man than I and I'm not exactly enamoured with this ickystuff. Have fun and good luck with the fiening

Methedrone is a different

I know that, you know that - not so many vendors do and even few of the punters posting here do though. Every methedrone report I've seen makes meph sound like a good and entirely safe drug in comparison - either that or so little effect you'd get a bigger hit from a cup of green tea or summat. Last batch I heard actually was green in fact

 

[Oxymorphone]

Got the drone, looks pretty good and pure and is the fine crystalline (shiny) white powder kind as opposed to the other large crystally looking or off color stuff some people said was crap. Smells like what I've heard which I was curious about, my friend and I are just too tired to mess with it tonight. I shot some hydromorphone and some some dope and I'm feeling great so no need to spoil it now by screwing with controversial toxic RCs.

 

[MeDieViL]

Methedrone is a different, more euphoric drug than mephedrone. It's 4-methoxy instead of 4-methyl. It's suspected by many on BL to be more toxic than mephedrone but I have a feeling it's the better drug despite having yet to try it myself.

On the other hand, there are TONS of RC entactogens and stimulants out there that aren't very toxic or non-toxic now. Most mephedrone users have only tried meph and maybe MDMA or methylone - they haven't had a chance to try the variety of MDA, MDEA, 4-fluoroamphetamine, ethcathinone, desoxypipradrol, buphedrone, MMDA-2, MDAI, and all the other aminoindans, cathinones, amphetamines, etc. that are far superior.

Methedrone is probably less toxic but more deadly.