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So these new wave of rcs will bring about changes in prohibition?

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imo in a few weeks or months
nrg-1 will have have replaced mephedrone and if you thought mephedrone was bad nrg-1 is about 10x worse:(
so does anyone else think that this ban will be a good step forward? ignoring the fact that alot of people will harm themselves taking these new rc's d2 pm included...
 
never heard of nrg-1?

Do you have any idea what the main constituant is? If it is a substituted cathinone, we can pretty much already rule out that its illegal.

Do the people responsible for this product say it's main ingredient anywhere? Or is this like the new neo-dove... I mean idealistically, and i speak about this in my thread on drug synergy with legal substances - people will endeavour to create new drugs that resemble MDMA in nature, so far as 5-HT2x agonism, and neglect any physical side effects it may have on the body.

I've been very pro-mephedrone for its euphoriant properties, but respect that there is danger to it - and know those dangers and those risks and have weighed out the pros and cons and how to do it correctly.

Perhaps, provided this isn't like bk-pmma or something horrid something simmilar will resolve from all this.

Okay now i just quoted this
drugsforum.com said:
Okay so I emailed a vendor asking what the active chemical was in this new product known as Energy-1 or NRG-1 and they have now released the that the active ingredient is O-2482 also known as Naphthylpyrovalerone or Naphyrone. Despire claiming that product is 99.5% pure it states that said chemical is the main active compound which I dont really understand.

If this is the case, i had never been much interested in MDPV or pyrovalerone stimulants in general - it might hit it big... the whole ivory wave thing (which i never even heard about once til the news) blew over fast.

They're marketing it as "naphyrone" obviously a take off on the novel names of mephedrone/methylone (the -one suffix is quite valid given the iupac names) and in saying this i note that "mephedr-one" the start of the name has nothing to do with the chemical thus why we all called it 4mmc. I'd also note that the iupac name of these newish substances really does not warrant a suffix of 'one' to sell the drug other than the sling it as the new thing.

Anyway i've spent 15 minutes writing this rant, coz i have nothing better to do and cant seem to sleep properly and keep waking up and ungodly hours. i'll leave it there... lets see if we can't bring up some discussion on this compound (trip reports anyone).

I might go so far as to add in this link http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=120671 as the information provided within seems to point out generally (and im just looking at the molecule here) that the drug would be substanically simmilar by our laws to pyrovalerone and thus, is already fricken illegal before it's even hit the shelf.

I'd like our analogues act to be removed as it is really a rubbish act, and doesn't leave any room for HR other than to use our channels for prohibition, instead of thorough investigation, sure bio-assay (however dangerous, these willing individuals form the basis for our notes on NEGATIVE side effects, as well as positives) and lighten the fuck up until people REALLY start dying - and no not the media saying x ripped his penis off.. or "meow meow" turns you into a cat. Mephedrone has seens a speight of 'deaths' arrise from it's use in the UK only, and i think two other places before it. Yet there is little to no toxicology data available to substanciate the claims (from what i've read there has been in 2-3 cases worldwide). Hardly enough as a cause for concern.

The concern here is kids buying the shit from the local milkbar and heading to school high as kites (as young kids like to do). Which initself gives rise to the whole idea of RESTRICT SALE TO 18-21+. But no, people use this for nothing more than getting high, so we axe it. Hell RU486 abortion pills killed people... yet thats okay, its an acceptable risk with 92% success rate, i'd say use of RCs has a much higher than .01% average of users dying, and maybe <5% complaining of side effects, until far deeper in their use.
 
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In answer to your question, yes. I think the recent media interest in RCs is a very very bad thing. Not only because the recent ones are specifically banned, but because their use has increased by about 1000% due to increased awareness. I'd be surprised if, by the end of the year, most countries don't have a very wide "catch-all" law. Quite depressing really.
 
Warning

Both from a member here, and from a contact in a department intent on tracking new drugs, it appears the new Energy 1 capsule (nrg1?) contains Naphyrone



Naphyrone Wiki


Advanced DD Naphyrone/0-2482



This is a major concern, as it's widely (and with reason) speculated that this drug is not only neurotoxic but could very possibly be a carcinogen. Naphyrone contains the naphthalene moiety, which is often metabolised via forming a ring epoxy, that when opens forms a nasty diol, which has been shown to be carcinogenic.

In relation to media, that's the least of worries in regards to banning things. Intel departments worldwide, including Australia, and the TGA are closely following the RC market.

Remember, it's the unscrupulous marketeers of untested or potentially carcinogenic compounds (e.g. JWH-018 etc) that are milking things for what they're worth. Who ultimately pays? The consumer of course.

Very few people believed mephedrone was harmful when it first appeared, and so ignored all the warnings. Now, many of these same people have realised that long term, or high dose usage can present some problems, with vasculitis or the sensitivity to it persisting long after use ceases. However, if Naphyrone turns out to be as bad as some people think, mephedrone will look like cure all by comparison.

Be very wary of this one folks. Who knows how dangerous this could turn out to be. Some cancers take years to manifest, and believe me, brain cancer is seldom a walk in the park. I'm happy to eat my words if it's discovered the drug is not so dangerous, but more than ever with this one, until some research has been done we should err on the side of caution. Incidentally, there's likely to be more compounds with this moiety popping up in future. An early warning system is a must!

Once I have a bit more on products thought to contain Naphyrone I'll start a thread on it. Unless of course someone else has any knowledge and is willing.
 
Yeah well this thread is as good a starter if any (change the title perhaps). Early warning by both myself and you (in terms of law and possible extreme negative effects) that should be taken on by most aussie users. Also with the naphthalene, i believe thats used in alot of high quality DMT synths? or at least i observed that in the pictures i saw years ago on erowid, i've not once seen dmt that looked the quality of those photographs
 
Naphyrone is still not confirmed/tested to be the ingredient i might add, its still speculation really. From trip reports/having seen it in person the dose range is not established yet, id put it somewhere between 30-100mg. tops but since alot of rc sites have made the switch from selling mephedrone to this chemical by the grams i expect alot of nasty reports from people over doing it.
Its a mild like amphetamine like buzz but with a really bad crash that lasts 2+ days.
 
+1 for this being an unfortunate substitute for Mephedrone.

I can just picture some group of 18 year olds who have developed a habit and a high tolerance to Mephedrone, ripping open their 'substitute' product and hoovering 1g each. Terrifying.

It's going to happen, and happen soon, if it hasn't happend already. How many deaths before the media fill the front pages again, that's the question. Quite a lot of months before anything but the election and result take center stage. It's a strange twist of fate that the media's exaggeration over the number of deaths caused by Mephedrone, might directly result in figures from Naphyrone that will not have to embellished or manipulated in any way....
 
I can only see an increase in the number of available RC's to be a negative. Public perception of recreational drug use is already swayed by the rare death involving MDMA, let alone having the media saturated with varying and unpredictable effects of an array of unknown substances.
 
Also with the naphthalene, i believe thats used in alot of high quality DMT synths? or at least i observed that in the pictures i saw years ago on erowid, i've not once seen dmt that looked the quality of those photographs

You might mean Naphtha not Naphthalene. Naphtha is a solvent while naphthalene is better know as moth balls. Naphthalene is a stinky white powder that has a strong oder. Naphtha is a liquid. Powdered Naphthalene on top of an explosive such as black powder will make a nice orange fireball when exploded. The explosions in movies are often Naphthalene.
 
Naphyrone is still not confirmed/tested to be the ingredient i might add, its still speculation really.

I was informed the SA police know about it, so I wouldn't be surprised if analytical results surface sometime soon.

Thanks for clearing up that naphtha-naphthalene thing static. Naphthalene made it's big introduction during WWII where it was a cheaper alternative to camphor. It effectively killed the camphor industry in China (camphor was used for oil lamps). See Guenther Essential Oils, vol 3)
 
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