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So it was the MDMA that fucked me...

libertine7427

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Hi everyone, I haven't really got any aim in mind when I post this, just wanted to share my experiences of MDMA abuse.

From September - December last year I took MDMA 3 times, with a month gap, which was good. I enjoyed the drug and didn't feel any negative impacts. Then came January 2016. I did MDMA at least 7 times that month, probably more and I was doing magic mushrooms swell on a fairly regular basis, coupled with daily cannabis use (which continued throughout the entire year) and occasional Ketamine use. Overall, in 2016 I have done MDMA or Pills at least 13 times. By March I was feeling very depressed and increasingly anxious. I would be scared of saying anything to anyone for fear of embarrassment. It got gradually worse and I also started to have deeply romantic feelings to someone who I had barely spoken to. I was convinced that I loved them and that they were the only purpose for my existance and I could literally think of nothing else. By the end of the year I was very depressed and taking a lot of MDMA. I would typically do 300mg for a night out, which I didnt realise was a high dose.

I've been clean for a month now and am getting better. The main point I want to make here though is that because I was in such a druggy social circle, I never even considered that MDMA abuse would be causing me to feel so shit. It's only since removing myself from a certain environment that I've realised that it was the MDMA that was fucking me up. It literally hadn't crossed my mind before. I think that because MDMA has a very obvious comedown, I assumed that that made up for the high and it was a process of readjustment. In retrospect, I can't believe that I didnt consider the long term effects of doing a class A drug so frequently. My decision making towards the end of the year was also shocking, and I was generally just emotionally all over the place

I'm getting better now, through exercise and 5-HTP, and staying away from MDMA. Fuck knows how much damage I've done to myself, I think I got out just soon enough though. If I'd have carried on I think things would have gotten dark. What I find amazing is that because of the circles I was in, I considered it to be very normal, and I really did not consider what I was doing to myself. Looking back, I find my ignorance amazing, but then I have to remind myself that my decision making was so poor because of MDMA. It's only in a period of sobriety that I've realised what I've been doing, and I've been shocked by it. It's been a month of deep introspection, but it has allowed me to put my problems into perspective

As I said, I had no aim when I posted this. Any thoughts are welcome, or if anyone has a similar experience. I suppose if I have one question, it is whether the damage is reversible? Personally right now I feel like it is, I'm getting better and although I did a lot of MDMA, other than in January and June there was usually at least a three week gap. Can I fully recover? The main problem I'm dealing with is anxiety, but I can feel it getting better. Right now I have to force myself to cut through it, I can recognise when its happening and tell myself to go past it. Hopefully I will get to the stage were it leaves me completely. I feel that my excessive cannabis use may have also contributed to this. However, now that I have recognised that it is drugs that have led me to be like this, I am putting my problems into more of a perspective

Well anyway, thanks for reading. I'm not going to bother proof reading, so I'm sorry if its a bit all over the place =D
 
Your excessive poly-drug abuse is what fucked you.

You should consider stopping 5HTP -- it maintains an artificially high level of serotonin, much like an SSRI without the same action.

As far as recovery -- many people have done much more MDMA than you and are fine. I personally know people who used to drop 3-6 pills every weekend, for years and they are fine.

Daily cannabis use will lead to paranoia, mood disorders, and withdrawal upon cessation in susceptible individuals.
 
Yeah ur gona feel like shit for a while mate. Agrees I would drop the 5- HTP and just start exercising every day and eat extremely healthy...lots of fruit, vegetables, protein and good fats. Also drink heaps of water...u should be up and about in 2 or 3 months.
 
Yeah ur gona feel like shit for a while mate. Agrees I would drop the 5- HTP and just start exercising every day and eat extremely healthy...lots of fruit, vegetables, protein and good fats. Also drink heaps of water...u should be up and about in 2 or 3 months.
Yeah I've been doing exercise, eating well all that. My thinking behind taking 5htp was that my serotonin levels will surely be depleted, so I thought it would be a quicker way to build them back up? I've only been taking 50mg a day, so not loads, but is that still a bad idea?

As for the other post, I've done a lot of reading that has led me to the conclusion that it was principally MDMA which got me in this situation. I only ever dabbled in other drugs, and things like shrooms were done at very low dosages, always less than a gram. Md was the only hard drug I did at high doses or with any consistancy
 
Yeah I've been doing exercise, eating well all that. My thinking behind taking 5htp was that my serotonin levels will surely be depleted, so I thought it would be a quicker way to build them back up? I've only been taking 50mg a day, so not loads, but is that still a bad idea?

As for the other post, I've done a lot of reading that has led me to the conclusion that it was principally MDMA which got me in this situation. I only ever dabbled in other drugs, and things like shrooms were done at very low dosages, always less than a gram. Md was the only hard drug I did at high doses or with any consistancy

It is a common misconception that you need to raise your serotonin levels -- The main changes to the serotonin system caused by MDMA are lowered SERT binding/expression, and downregulation of certain 5HT2 receptors.

Tryptophan depletion diets have upregulated 5HT receptors in animal models in just 3 weeks 5HT = serotonin

Furthermore Bacopa Monnieri has been shown (again in animal models) to upregulate downregulated ; and downregulate upregulated 5HT2 receptors -- basically normalizing them to control levels
 
There are a few of us who've been there. You will get people who say 'oh yeah but I do MDMA every weekend and have done for years and I'm fine', but some people are much much more prone to the negative effects of MDMA. The other drug use won't have helped, but it does seem to me like the MDMA was the primary issue as the problems you describe are exactly what I suffered from overuse of the drug, even when I was using no other drugs.

Consider stopping the 5-HTP as it can do weird things to you... I'd say best bet is eat very healthily, exercise, keep socialising, keep your mind sharp, just generally stay busy and stay completely sober until you've been feeling normal again for a while. You will be fine.
 
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