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Opioids So it turns out my M/30 Oxy was indeed Fentanyl: Need advice

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Psynaught

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First of all, I know the best advice is to not use it, but that is not going to happen. The pills are very well made and I have taken them twice with no problem. I also purchased some Narcan just in case. Taking 90 mgs of Fentynal is not as euphoriating as 90 of Oxy....but that is OK. The bottom line is I do not need to get high, but I do live with pretty constant pain and the Fentanyl absolutely 100% does give me excellent pain relief from just one pill.

Can I take 1 pill say twice a week relatively safely? I know that you cannot be 100% safe taking this drug but the operative words here are harm reduction. For example 1 bottle of 50 100 mg Tramadol last me a year and a half. I also take Kratom 4 days a week (only 4 grams a day). I usually go 2 days a week with no opiod type drug at all.

All advice is appreciated and yes I know this is a slippery slope.
 
If you've already taken a pill and were fine, I think you'd be fine taking 1 pill twice a week.

Just keep in mind that if you're only using twice a week, you are not going to have a tolerance to the fentanyl. So you might be fine one time, but the next time you use, it could hit you harder & possibly even put you into dangerous territory.

If you use other opioids daily, then you already have some slight tolerance, but fentanyl is so potent that it probably doesn't matter much.

Using fentanyl is also going to render your kratom almost useless, cause your tolerance is gonna go up to an extreme degree. I find kratom pretty weak to begin with, so I can't imagine anyone getting anything out of it if they start using fentanyl. But everyone's different I guess.

It sounds like you're well aware of the risks & what not, so I won't preach. If the pills are pressed then there's always a possibility that one pill might have a higher concentration of fentanyl then another pill, so it's a good idea to have the narcan on hand. And if you can, try to use around another person who knows about you're use & is okay with it. Because if you do accidentally OD, you probably aren't going to be able to narcan yourself.

Wish you the best of luck!


PS : I don't think the pills you're taking are actually 90mg of fentanyl, because if that were the case, you'd be dead. Fentanyl is so potent that it's usually used in lower doses, like 100 micro-grams to 2mgs. I think even 2mg of fentanyl is a high dose. So unfortunately there's no real way to tell what the dose of fentanyl is in these pills. But if you've taken them & been fine, I'm assuming it's gotta be quite a low dose.
 
Psynaught said:
First of all, I know the best advice is to not use it, but that is not going to happen. The pills are very well made and I have taken them twice with no problem. I also purchased some Narcan just in case. Taking 90 mgs of Fentynal is not as euphoriating as 90 of Oxy....but that is OK. The bottom line is I do not need to get high, but I do live with pretty constant pain and the Fentanyl absolutely 100% does give me excellent pain relief from just one pill.

Can I take 1 pill say twice a week relatively safely? I know that you cannot be 100% safe taking this drug but the operative words here are harm reduction. For example 1 bottle of 50 100 mg Tramadol last me a year and a half. I also take Kratom 4 days a week (only 4 grams a day). I usually go 2 days a week with no opiod type drug at all.

All advice is appreciated and yes I know this is a slippery slope.
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2 milligrams of pure fentanyl is the fatal dose for the average person and would fit on the tip of a pencil. Fentanyl is measured in micrograms( aka 1/1000th of a milligram) also you need at least 3 bottles of narcan in case of an overdose of fentanyl and someone there with you to give you the narcan( you would be unconscious) and you would need to be seen by paramedics and hospitalized.

Narcan wears off and there is still a chance of still overdosing and dying.

I have been on a much lower daily dose of oxycodone( the good ones without: Tylenol aka acetaminophen aka paracetamol) than 90 milligrams.

I use my prescription oxycodone responsibly ( almost always) and after 8 or so years one 10mg( actually 11mg and the ones with Tylenol 8.9mg) will still help with pain and give me a mood lift.( like right now one has kicked in and I can feel it slightly and am happy, which is not something that happens without it, usually)

I was a drunk, who nearly died and take a bunch meds due to screwing up my liver and my pancreas.( I have no predisposition to opiods though).

A lot of people have abused prescription opiods and died not from an overdose, but because they killed their livers from the Tylenol or acetaminophen or paracetamol ( all the same drug but different names for it)

From what you wrote, there is no way you have a tolerance 45 times that of an average person. Even then it would still kill you.

What DeathIndustrial88 is correct and I know him from here. He knows information on opiods extremely well and knows what he is talking/writing about.

Oxycodone is 1.5 times as strong as morphine.

Fentanyl is 50-100 times as strong as morphine. So don't think that because you can handle 90 milligrams of oxycodone, that you could even come close too taking 90mg of fentanyl.

Luckily for you, as DeathIndustrial88 wrote, you took quite a low dose, otherwise ☠️.

Those fake oxycodone pills are hit or miss or often death.

Welcome to the Jungle, kid
 
DeathIndustrial88 said:
If you've already taken a pill and were fine, I think you'd be fine taking 1 pill twice a week.

Just keep in mind that if you're only using twice a week, you are not going to have a tolerance to the fentanyl. So you might be fine one time, but the next time you use, it could hit you harder & possibly even put you into dangerous territory.

If you use other opioids daily, then you already have some slight tolerance, but fentanyl is so potent that it probably doesn't matter much.

Using fentanyl is also going to render your kratom almost useless, cause your tolerance is gonna go up to an extreme degree. I find kratom pretty weak to begin with, so I can't imagine anyone getting anything out of it if they start using fentanyl. But everyone's different I guess.

It sounds like you're well aware of the risks & what not, so I won't preach. If the pills are pressed then there's always a possibility that one pill might have a higher concentration of fentanyl then another pill, so it's a good idea to have the narcan on hand. And if you can, try to use around another person who knows about you're use & is okay with it. Because if you do accidentally OD, you probably aren't going to be able to narcan yourself.

Wish you the best of luck!


PS : I don't think the pills you're taking are actually 90mg of fentanyl, because if that were the case, you'd be dead. Fentanyl is so potent that it's usually used in lower doses, like 100 micro-grams to 2mgs. I think even 2mg of fentanyl is a high dose. So unfortunately there's no real way to tell what the dose of fentanyl is in these pills. But if you've taken them & been fine, I'm assuming it's gotta be quite a low dose.
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Thank you for the response. Yes I misspoke, misstyped that they were 90 mgs of Fentanyl. They obviously are much lower doses.

But the bottom line takeaway is that I don't want to do what I can with real Oxy, and take 3 in a short period once and get high, that is too risky (even if I wait an hour between pills). With these I think I can only take one and stay relatively safe. The guy I got em from, who was ignorant to the fact that they were dangerous fentanyl only took 1-2 a day.

Can a maker of these pills accurately dose them at say 250 micro grams each or something like that? As I said, I do feel quite good and get excellent pain relief from just one. I did not take any last night, just did about 5 grams of Kratom which gave me a mood lift and pain relief also.

Thanks.
 
Jnowhere said:
2 milligrams of pure fentanyl is the fatal dose for the average person and would fit on the tip of a pencil. Fentanyl is measured in micrograms( aka 1/1000th of a milligram) also you need at least 3 bottles of narcan in case of an overdose of fentanyl and someone there with you to give you the narcan( you would be unconscious) and you would need to be seen by paramedics and hospitalized.

Narcan wears off and there is still a chance of still overdosing and dying.

I have been on a much lower daily dose of oxycodone( the good ones without: Tylenol aka acetaminophen aka paracetamol) than 90 milligrams.

I use my prescription oxycodone responsibly ( almost always) and after 8 or so years one 10mg( actually 11mg and the ones with Tylenol 8.9mg) will still help with pain and give me a mood lift.( like right now one has kicked in and I can feel it slightly and am happy, which is not something that happens without it, usually)

I was a drunk, who nearly died and take a bunch meds due to screwing up my liver and my pancreas.( I have no predisposition to opiods though).

A lot of people have abused prescription opiods and died not from an overdose, but because they killed their livers from the Tylenol or acetaminophen or paracetamol ( all the same drug but different names for it)

From what you wrote, there is no way you have a tolerance 45 times that of an average person. Even then it would still kill you.

What DeathIndustrial88 is correct and I know him from here. He knows information on opiods extremely well and knows what he is talking/writing about.

Oxycodone is 1.5 times as strong as morphine.

Fentanyl is 50-100 times as strong as morphine. So don't think that because you can handle 90 milligrams of oxycodone, that you could even come close too taking 90mg of fentanyl.

Luckily for you, as DeathIndustrial88 wrote, you took quite a low dose, otherwise ☠️.

Those fake oxycodone pills are hit or miss or often death.

Welcome to the Jungle, kid
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Thanks for the post. Correct, as noted I mistyped, misspoke, I obviously did not take 90 mgs. These pills are probably something like 300 micro grams. The guys I got them from has been taking them 1 or 2 a day for a while. It is my hope that if I only take 1 at a time I will be OK.
 
Jnowhere said:
2 milligrams of pure fentanyl is the fatal dose for the average person and would fit on the tip of a pencil.
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The claim that "a fatal dose of fentanyl is two milligrams" is widely cited but is not entirely accurate or evidence-based. This figure often originates from a crude equianalgesic conversion of morphine's lethal dose to fentanyl rather than empirical toxicological data. The actual lethal dose of fentanyl varies significantly depending on factors like individual tolerance, route of administration, and whether the individual has opioid tolerance.

You hear this "2mg" number widely reported by media outlets, police, and even in some peer-reviewed papers, but likely the figure for a non-tolerant adult human is higher. Most acutely toxic would be the intravenous route, with a fatal dose in a non-tolerant adult likely closer to 3mg. Again that is when administered intravenously. Taken orally, like how the original M30's are meant to be consumed, the lethal dose of fentanyl drops significantly due to the very low oral bioavailability of fentanyl, with a lethal dose closer to 10mg+.

So those shock figures reported in the media where they say, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 10 million people" always assumes that those 10 million people were lined up and injected with it intravenously. Additionally, all of shocking media reports base the number off of the total mg weight of the M30 pills or street fentanyl powder seized (and assuming both the pills and powder are made of 100% fentanyl), then dividing the total weight by the "lethal" dose of 2mg. So if 10 kilograms of M30s pills are seized, they report it as, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 5 million people". And again, this assumes that the entire pill or powder is made of pure fentanyl and that everyone is lined up and given an IV of their lethal dose.

Similarly they say shocking things like "just enough on the tip of a pencil will kill you", when the reality is that most grown adults, even without a tolerance, could lick that tip of the pencil and survive.

This is not to diminish how lethal street fentanyl is, because the facts are clear, fentanyl and it's relatives kill people on a level never seen with heroin. Nor that fentanyl is a potent opioid. But some of the figures reported in the media are way overblown, designed to shock and generate clicks and advertising revenue.

I've actually seen a few news outlets report that the probable lethal dose is 3mg, which is respectable, but they still don't mention that said 3mg must be administered intravenously to cause death.
 
Hey, I got the same number from a bunch of respected medical sites. Besides, I wanted to scare this kid a little. He thought 90mg of fentanyl was like taking 90mg's of oxycodone.

Honestly, I was well aware of all you said but this kid makes Beavis and Butthead seem like geniuses, and I would rather report medical scare stats than add another BL'er to the shine.

But I didn't outright lie, but I wanted a kid who has no tolerance to not pop 3 fake fentanyl fueled fake Oxy's. Hey I am in my late 40's and have no kids. That is just my rarely seen natural human paternal instinct kicking in.

Besides would you have rather had me cheer him on and if got a bum batch, try 4 or 5 next and possibly last time?
 
negrogesic said:
The claim that "a fatal dose of fentanyl is two milligrams" is widely cited but is not entirely accurate or evidence-based. This figure often originates from a crude equianalgesic conversion of morphine's lethal dose to fentanyl rather than empirical toxicological data. The actual lethal dose of fentanyl varies significantly depending on factors like individual tolerance, route of administration, and whether the individual has opioid tolerance.

You hear this number widely reported by media outlets, police, and even in some peer reviewed papers, but likely figure for a non-tolerant adult human is higher. Most acutely toxic would be the intravenous route, with a fatal dose in a non-tolerant adult is likely closer to 3mg. Again that is when administered intravenously. Taken orally, like how the original M30's are meant to be consumed, the lethal dose of fentanyl drops significantly due to the very low oral bioavailability of fentanyl, with a lethal dose closer to 10mg+.

So those shock figures reported in the media where they say, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 10 million people" always assumes that all those people were lined up and injected with it intravenously. Additionally, all of shocking media reports use the total mg weight of the M30 pills or street fentanyl powder seized (assuming both the pills and powder are made of 100% fentanyl) and dividing by 2. So if 10 kilograms of M30s pills are seized, they report it as, "enough fentanyl was seized to kill 5 million people". And again, that assumes the entire pill or power is made of pure fentanyl and that everyone is lined up and given an IV of their lethal dose.

Similarly they say shocking things like "just enough on the tip of a pencil will kill you", when the reality is that most grown adults, even without a tolerance, could lick that tip of the pencil and survive.

This is not to diminish how lethal street fentanyl is, because the facts are clear, fentanyl and it's relatives kill people on a level never seen with heroin. But some of the figures reported in the media are overblown, designed to shock and generate clicks and advertising revenue.

I've actually seen a few news outlets report that the probable lethal dose is 3mg, which is respectable, but they still don't mention that said 3mg must be administered intravenously to cause death.
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Thank you for the excellent post. I will be taking these orally. I probably will take one tonight. I do regret buying them but what is done is done. I was hoping they were (of course) real Oxy's but I should have been more diligent. I am stuck with them because I refuse to resell them.

They were much cheaper than Oxy's...by a third. I believe there is no talking about price but I do wonder how bad of a deal I got.

As was said, welcome to the Jungle.
 
Jnowhere said:
Hey, I got the same number from a bunch of respected medical sites. Besides, I wanted to scare this kid a little. He thought 90mg of fentanyl was like taking 90mg's of oxycodone.

Honestly, I was well aware of all you said but this kid makes Beavis and Butthead seem like geniuses, and I would rather report medical scare stats than add another BL'er to the shine.

But I didn't outright lie, but I wanted a kid who has no tolerance to not pop 3 fake fentanyl fueled fake Oxy's. Hey I am in my late 40's and have no kids. That is just my rarely seen natural human paternal instinct kicking in.

Besides would you have rather had me cheer him on and if got a bum batch, try 4 or 5 next and possibly last time?
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I appreciate the concern. I also wish I were still a kid, I am considerably older than you.
 
negrogesic said:
The claim that "a fatal dose of fentanyl is two milligrams" is widely cited but is not entirely accurate or evidence-based. This figure often originates from a crude equianalgesic conversion of morphine's lethal dose to fentanyl rather than empirical toxicological data. The actual lethal dose of fentanyl varies significantly depending on factors like individual tolerance, route of administration, and whether the individual has opioid tolerance.

You hear this number widely reported by media outlets, police, and even in some peer reviewed papers, but likely figure for a non-tolerant adult human is higher. Most acutely toxic would be the intravenous route, with a fatal dose in a non-tolerant adult is likely closer to 3mg. Again that is when administered intravenously. Taken orally, like how the original M30's are meant to be consumed, the lethal dose of fentanyl drops significantly due to the very low oral bioavailability of fentanyl, with a lethal dose closer to 10mg+.

So those shock figures reported in the media where they say, "Enough fentanyl was seized to kill 10 million people" always assumes that all those people were lined up and injected with it intravenously. Additionally, all of shocking media reports use the total mg weight of the M30 pills or street fentanyl powder seized (assuming both the pills and powder are made of 100% fentanyl) and dividing by 2. So if 10 kilograms of M30s pills are seized, they report it as, "enough fentanyl was seized to kill 5 million people". And again, that assumes the entire pill or power is made of pure fentanyl and that everyone is lined up and given an IV of their lethal dose.

Similarly they say shocking things like "just enough on the tip of a pencil will kill you", when the reality is that most grown adults, even without a tolerance, could lick that tip of the pencil and survive.

This is not to diminish how lethal street fentanyl is, because the facts are clear, fentanyl and it's relatives kill people on a level never seen with heroin. But some of the figures reported in the media are overblown, designed to shock and generate clicks and advertising revenue.

I've actually seen a few news outlets report that the probable lethal dose is 3mg, which is respectable, but they still don't mention that said 3mg must be administered intravenously to cause death.
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Very well said.
Thanks, negro.
 
Besides, by any age over 30, I would expect a reasonable amount of common sense. I guess I assume too much. Besides who says, with no tolerance, I want to do 90mg's of fentanyl?
 
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I guess I it read before you corrected it, kid. You mean like that? I thought so.
 
Psynaught said:
Thank you for the response. Yes I misspoke, misstyped that they were 90 mgs of Fentanyl. They obviously are much lower doses.

But the bottom line takeaway is that I don't want to do what I can with real Oxy, and take 3 in a short period once and get high, that is too risky (even if I wait an hour between pills). With these I think I can only take one and stay relatively safe. The guy I got em from, who was ignorant to the fact that they were dangerous fentanyl only took 1-2 a day.

Can a maker of these pills accurately dose them at say 250 micro grams each or something like that? As I said, I do feel quite good and get excellent pain relief from just one. I did not take any last night, just did about 5 grams of Kratom which gave me a mood lift and pain relief also.

Thanks.
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No problem!
Yeah technically whoever pressed them could dose them accurately, but it depends on how much care went into pressing the pills.

In mass manufacturing of pills, they have certain machines that help spread the amount of drug across the pill equally, so that they can be broken in half & each side will have the same dose of drug in them. But with pressed pills, there is a possibility that some of the fentanyl got concentrated in one spot in the pill, while having less in another spot in the pill, if that makes sense. So say you were only taking half a pill or even a quarter of a pill, there might be different concentrations of fentanyl in each piece of it.

But yeah, you'll be fine taking one. Does taking the one pill hold you all day? If so, that's odd since fentanyl is quite short acting. But I'm not familiar with fentanyl metabolism & how long it might work if taken orally. I've only done fentanyl intranasally & it was pretty much worn off within an hour or less. As long as it helps you though, that's all that matters.
 
Taking one is fine for now. Until you take one that packs a punch and you get your first blackout, OD, or death.

I only snort a quarter at a time until I reach desired effect...been many times where I thought 2nd quarter I'll be fine, and then realized it was a bit too much.

You are no kid. And definitely some senile peeps around at times lol.

Some smoke it off foil because they really do not want to risk death...it's risky business but I understand what you mean by hey this is what I have and what I am going to take no matter what..just please tread as careful as possible, tolerance to fent happens quite fast and have found it sort of stems from the constant want of dosing a bit more because duration is so fast and not really euphoric.
 
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