Opioids So Far I Think Fent SUCKS and I'm trying not to PANIC! TIPS?!?!

[buttershots21]

So today was the day I switched from my MS Contins to these patches. The Malli's that I see everyone complaining about not working well enough are working just dandy here. Maybe too damn dandy. I'm used to taking my 180mg morphine in the morning, getting my warm fuzzies and the meds wearing off throughout the day, until the next morning, when I do it all over again with my perc 10/325 for breakthrough pain. I take my meds for pain, but the warm fuzzies are nice too, and two or three times a month I might take an extra one of my 60's on a bad day to feel a little fuzzier and drop my pain to a 1-2 instead of the constant 4-5 it's usually at. I also take Xanax for anxiety and I have frequent panic attacks, especially when trying something new. So I'm in a totally backwards situation. I put this first, 50mcg/hr patch on, around 10:30am, this morning. Worried that from everything I read, these things would SUCK. Now it's 7:30pm, this shit just keeps coming at me, getting stronger, and it's nothing like what I'm used to. Reading that it can take up to 6 freaking days for this shit to peak in my system has got me rattled. I don't want to take a Xanax (.5mg) and make a potential problem worse, but I don't want my panic getting the best of me either. I can't use my pupils as any sort of guideline unless the straight up disappear, because they are always on the smallish side no matter if I'm on meds or completely in WD's for a solid week. This feels like a combo of taking a lot of Suboxone with a handful of Tramadol, it's not a feeling I enjoy at ALL, and I'm only like what, 8 hours in? I see a sleepless night ahead of me for sure, for fear of falling asleep and not waking up, even though I have my husband and a friend here both "babysitting" me. Because what if they fall asleep too? Fuck I hate being this paranoid!!! And I don't like this feeling at all. I don't like feeling "high" apparently because this shit is just not right. Any advice on how paranoid I'm being about the Xanax? I've taken my 3 a day most days, with my morph and percs, for over a year now with no issues. Unless you count sleeping good an issue. It's gonna be a loooong three to six days at this rate!! And people LIKE this shit? WHY????

 

[buttershots21]

Is it me, or did this section used to be a lot busier? I see a long night of me talking to myself lol. I know I haven't been by in awhile, but where did everyone GO??

 

[tacodude]

You did not even give it an hour... Someone else is having similar issues in the chewing fentanyl thread. You are working with a very potent compound in a manner that is supposed to overcome its short duration of effect. I know there's patches half that size try asking your doctor to switch. If anything just take it off. You will not get the same effect as your old meds. If anything you will get much stronger repository depression before anything else with what you are on.

Personally I've avoided fent while being tempted as it is a very unique potent compound. I don't want it until I need it for pain levels of ten throughout my body.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Hand out some percs & people will stop by to talk to you .....LoL!

I wouldn't mix any xanax with fentanyl......doesn't matter how bad you heard these are, they have killed many people mixing other stuff with it like xanax......you stated you're still getting a stronger high every so often, last thing you should do is mix a xanax.

 

[TheLostBoys]

You did not even give it an hour... Someone else is having similar issues in the chewing fentanyl thread. You are working with a very potent compound in a manner that is supposed to overcome its short duration of effect. I know there's patches half that size try asking your doctor to switch. If anything just take it off. You will not get the same effect as your old meds. If anything you will get much stronger repository depression before anything else with what you are on.

Personally I've avoided fent while being tempted as it is a very unique potent compound. I don't want it until I need it for pain levels of ten throughout my body.

I won't mess with it either Taco, stuff scares me......had plenty of chances & declined each time.

 

[buttershots21]

Every month I go to my Dr and every month he brings these damn things up, saying I need around the clock maintenance instead of the ups and downs even extended release meds provide. I had a really bad month pain-wise and it just broke me down and I caved. I'm trying this with a "Dr. knows best" attitude instead of my usual " I research everything to death and am scared of anything new if it's broke don't fix it" attitude. Morphine may not be perfect and I'm at 60mg 3x a day (which I take all at once, bad I know, but that's what I do) and my 10/325 percs 6x a day, which I usually take 2-3 two or three times a day. Maybe I should have just asked for an increase in my morphine, or something in between the morphine/fent spectrum, like Opana. If I could make requests, that right there would be it. And no Xanax, check. I'll just do my best to keep my panic under control by other means.

 

[Harrisment]

We are still here . I've had fent a few times in a hospital setting. It never did give me a whole lot of euphoria, but i did find it to be a great pain reliever.

 

[TheLostBoys]

I would have the doctor increase the morphine because once you start up with Opana, the morphine & percs won't work so well.......

IMO/ime, morphine works great, I like using it for my chronic back pain with norcos for break through.

I'm no where near what you're taking.......

Can I ask what exactly is your pain coming from? Like what's the diagnosis of your pain?

 

[tacodude]

The multiple percs are a huge problem. 325 mg should be maximum dose of acetaminophen. Get the sustained released with 325 mg acetaminophen prescribed on the site as not only does it have its own pain relieving effects, but it boosts the pain relieving effects of oxycodine somehow. Use your meds as directed and you should be fine....

Is medical cannabis available around you? It could be an alternative to the xanax although I would not advise to stop your xanax without professional help and a proper weening plan.

 

[buttershots21]

I had a long post all written out and lost it and not doing that all over again. Fibromyalgia is the card that toppled this house of pain. I have other problems that the fibro amplifies, but I was getting along fine on Norcos until 2010 when fibro reared its nasty head. It's taken me that long to find a Dr that isn't a total idiot. I just had bloodwork done, and have abnormal liver enzymes, so I have an ultrasound tomorrow, so I'm worried about THAT also. Searching the internet was very unhelpful there, it could be caused by anything from dehydration to Hep C to even uglier C-words. I have a feeling that years of constant APAP might be a major factor, but I'm just a patient, what do I know? I plan on asking him for a non APAP containing med regardless at my next appt. As far as weed, my husband is an MMJ patient, fat lot of good it did now that the local yokals shut down all 5 dispensaries in our county and finding a reliable caregiver to grow for you is impossible, and we don't have the $$ for the start up costs to grow our own or even maintain the damn electric bill running all those lights and fans and whatnot. I've tried it, like I said, I'm a weird duck, it actually increases my anxiety and makes me paranoid, makes my heart race, break out in a sweat and I don't enjoy not feeling any way that's not "normal". I've tried various strains, and the only time I don't totally go 100% freak out is if I take it with Xanax so not much point. I haven't been able to try a pure Indica strain, most peeps want a ratio of sativa/indica, heavy on the sativa, and that just doesn't work for me.

 

[tacodude]

I understand you on the need for indica.... Sativa tend to lack cbd and cause issues like high blood pressure easily.

Definitely get the opana sustained released with oc sustained or immediate release for breakthrough pain. Use the opana more at night when you rest with your pain and use oxycodine during the day as you are active with your pain. Get the global pharm opana and impax oxycodon for sustained released while immediate shouldn't matter. Try to keep a lower dose though.

Have you tried anything like ganapentin (neurotin) for the pain? Any other nerve pain meds? Gabapentin can be a life saver, but it pushed my emotional instability over the edge due to it's side effects some people probably enjoy

Edit: while you can crush the above forms I recommend them because they are actually digestible. Using them nasaly will work although due to the filler in the pill it will be very harmful and I recommend against it. If you doc is really good ask for a compounded nasal spray, but that will be pricey even with insurance I bet.

 

[EP158207]

Have you tried pregabalin along with the MS Contin? Fent is a very potent painkiller and as someone said, best to have something in the bank for hardcore pain.

I would suggest to the Dr if you can have pregabalin three times a day staggering up to 600mg per day, with something like OxyNorm 40mg for breakthrough pain? Also the pregabalin will potentiate any opiate you take so you'll need less to begin with.

Also, yes slow down on the APAP stuff because really not good for the liver at all. I know, easier said than done.

 

[buttershots21]

Well kids and peeps, it's now 2:37am, and I am wide awake. Both of my "babysitters" fell asleep. Pussies! No really, I don't know if I could sleep if I wanted to, which I do, but I don't because of, idk, not waking up maybeh??? Shit, I like my morphs, this is not a fun ride, and I want off but my choices at this moment in time are not good. I knew the only way I would give these a fair shot is if I bitched up and made it my only option so in an incredibly stupid and noob move I got rid of my old script. When pain calls you use what you have, not what ya want ya know? Bad move, my Dr gave me 5 of these bastards, and I know from research it takes around 6 days to get anywhere near stable on these, so it's gonna be at least that until he would consider changing anything at all, unless I'm in the ER in an OD or having an allergic reaction to them. And he knows I worry, so calling him up and saying "hey doc, they do work for the pain so far, pretty well in fact, but I haven't slept in 24 hours cuz I'm SCARED TO so just increase my MS Contins that I dumped for this Fent that I thought would be BETTER but I was WRONG, see, I don't like the way thay make me FEEL" would go over well. And I'm still alive, 16 hours in, and still freaked out, so that tells you how tight I'm wound. If I could just relax, who knows, maybe I'd even get to like it but I'm way too aware of every twitch and breath and blink and tummy rumble to CHILL the FUCK OUT. Why would anyone want to tweak or smoke crack and feel this way on purpose all the time?

And to answer the question, yeah, I've had Lyrica, made me a drunken wreck, so I'm on Gabapentin 800mg 3 x a day, I've had higher and lower doses, and any more just starts acting like the Lyrica did and wonking me out. I was still working when I tried the Lyrica and they made me go to the ER because they thought I was drinking on the job so made me get a blood test. I hate the shit, but it does help for the burning feeling and numbness and tingling I get in my hands feet and back. The only reason my Dr gives me pain meds is I've been on or am on every med they have out there for Fibro and 99% of them don't do jack shit. Just my experience.

 

[buttershots21]

Also have to add that this is the third trip to the bathroom tonight, I don't see the bathroom three times in three weeks for that particular need most months, so I think I may be in some mild withdrawals, yet I'm still too damn paranoid to just relax and get some damn sleep. Pretty sure the new "feelings" for lack of a better description, have planed off for the most part, haven't noticed any more powerful 'waves' creeping up on me in a few hours. It's all pretty negative now, very loose stool, nausea, my super sonic smell sense is in overdrive and every scent is making my tummy churn worse. Pain is still minimal though, so that's a plus lol. The only plus in a big fat pile of bad shit so far. Oh, and I don't itch at all, and no goosebumps or cold sweats YET praise God. To be continued......

 

[CuriousGirly]

Also have to add that this is the third trip to the bathroom tonight, I don't see the bathroom three times in three weeks for that particular need most months, so I think I may be in some mild withdrawals, yet I'm still too damn paranoid to just relax and get some damn sleep. Pretty sure the new "feelings" for lack of a better description, have planed off for the most part, haven't noticed any more powerful 'waves' creeping up on me in a few hours. It's all pretty negative now, very loose stool, nausea, my super sonic smell sense is in overdrive and every scent is making my tummy churn worse. Pain is still minimal though, so that's a plus lol. The only plus in a big fat pile of bad shit so far. Oh, and I don't itch at all, and no goosebumps or cold sweats YET praise God. To be continued......

If you want to talk inbox me, I just started the fent about a week ago.

 

[tricomb]

who ever told you fentanyl DIDNT suck???? Fentanyl is fucking stupid as fuck to abuse, borderline suicidal and all for what??? The effects it creates are only beneficial to those with legitimate chronic pain and have already been on morphine, oxycodone, hydromorphone, etc, for 5-10+ years.

Fentakill is something you should never do again. Tip: Discard the rest of your fentakill.

 

[Stotched]

who ever told you fentanyl DIDNT suck???? Fentanyl is fucking stupid as fuck to abuse, borderline suicidal and all for what??? The effects it creates are only beneficial to those with legitimate chronic pain and have already been on morphine, oxycodone, hydromorphone, etc, for 5-10+ years.

Fentakill is something you should never do again. Tip: Discard the rest of your fentakill.

Why don't you re-read the post tricomb. Dude's been on every pain pill from morphine to oxy for years now, so his doctor moved him up to fentanyl. He even specifically said he doesn't like feeling high, and wants to just kill his pain.

I know you're a mod and all, but theres no need to be a douche and condescending. You must be pretty cynical if you think EVERY fent user is using it illegimately.

 

[buttershots21]

So as an update: I got in to see my Dr at 9:30am Thursday morning. The horror never abated, not even after the nurse called me back and told me to take double my Xanax as usual and just have my hubby keep an eye out on me for respiratory problems. I gave my Dr that fent shit right back, and since I can't get my insurance to refill my morphine until the 20th or so, he just changed my Percs to a different per hour dosage so my insurance would cover it, and I have those to get me through until I can get my MS Contins back. He is from downstate, just a GP and a sweetheart, but he has said that he can't find a pain clinic worth a shit in this part of the woods, and unless I'm willing to drive 3+ hours away to one he does like, and my insurance will cover it, he says he's out of options. So for now, it's gonna be back to my morphine and percs. I told him I would do some research on pain meds and see what I can dig up, something better than what I got but not as bad as that fent shit. I think I could be at the tail end of a terminal illness and see myself rejecting that shit, it was horrible. Now I'm just taking my Percs and my Xanax, still feeling shitty but even this is better than the way I was feeling on that crap. As far as research on a suitable long lasting extended release med, I'm thinking Opana might be the answer. I've only ever done it nasally and I hear the oral BV sucks, but would it be worth trying? If I got the generics, I could snort those, but then it doesn't last as long, don't want to ruin my lungs, the only reason I'm even looking at other options is I have the feeling my Dr doesn't want to just keep increasing my morphine dose. I already know that Dilaudid isn't for me, oral BV sucks, rather have the percs for BP, and I don't like having to snort anything just to get it to work. And I don't/won't IV anything ever. I know I'll have to manage this pain for the rest of my life, so that is always my first priority.

My DOCTOR is the one that told me Fent didn't suck. He says I need something that works for around the clock pain that even extended release meds can't provide. Sure I like the warm fuzzies, who wouldn't? But I don't do drugs, I never touched a pain med until I needed them. I do suffer from lifelong chronic pain, have been on pain meds in one way or another since 2004, chronically since 2010 and will be forever most likely. But like most CPPs, I've had my fair share of shitty Drs who hate pain meds and Rxing them, weekend run outs because my rx didn't get to the pharmacy in time, and runs where I've had to supplement my legit scripts for what I could find on the street due to said shitty Drs cutting me off because of nothing I did wrong, but of their prejudice against all pain meds in general. So over the years I have learned what works, what doesn't, what helps, what hurts, and how to stretch a dollar when needed. Junkies and CPPs sometimes have a lot in common, and can share a lot of the same struggles whether getting your meds legitly or off the street. I've learned a lot from the whole community, and will be forever grateful to those who have taken time out of their day to be helpful to someone like me.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Look up Levorphanol, its a decent pain med & last long........I also like Morphine for chronic pain since it last a while.

Bad thing about Opana is you have to snort it to feel it for pain & its very euphoric.

 

[Addict3dtodillys]

Fentanyl withdraws are harsh. I was on 75mcg. They worked amazing for me... pain was gone and I was feeling very warm and gently high... here was the problem.

The patch would slide in two days. This only gave me 10 days on a two week script. By day 11 I would start withdraws... I kept the patches that fell off and would chew what was left... it would help a little and the high was.jntense and.immediate. it sucked.
Now on dilaudid and being slowly tapered off... A coo doc would have perscribed to change the patch every two days... but my doc states that narcotics to.treat pain.is unnessary...
Tried to use neurotin, bacoflin, voltarn and topomax... turned me into a zombie with horrible shits... cut me off the dilauted and allowed to to go into active withdrawl....
Do not put tergaderm or tape on the patch I can cause the patch to release too much meds if you overheat... can fuck you up... The directions state no to.... my pharmacist said to tape them on... I showed her the directions and she looked baffled... said I should be ok not.to worry...lol

I remeber getting very high on the patch after working outside after taping it on. The next day I went into withdraw even though I had two days left on the patch... by that night I had to switch the patch for a new one... felt better in a few hours. I tried chewing the patch... no taste of meds at all...

So be careful on it..