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So, drug buses are standard now, need help!

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So, drug buses are standard now, need info~

hey guys, don't post much etc etc, but i've been wondering about this whole booze/drug bus thing lately and it has me a bit worried. i've done a bit of searching on a few odd occasions over the last few months on the forums but only can come up with old/out-dated threads.

i'd really like to know about how long marijuana/mdma can show up in your saliva, etc. also if anyone who's been tested before and can report on their experience would really be helpful.

really interested to know because i'd like to be cautious, i never drive under the influence of anything but the risk of something still showing up in my system worries me as i enjoy a pipe or 2 a night before sleep, etc. sorry if these have been answered before in some other thread but the posts i've come across haven't really helped~

thanks
 
well i was told for the NSW saliva test, 3hrs is what you need to give yourself after a smoke before you drive.. however a number of migraine medications give a fault positive and these are known to the law and the such (immagrain.. is a known ).

no one really knows too much about the tounge scrappers, whereas in other parts its a mouth swab.
 
ahh cheers for that lil tidbit of info! but yeah, didn't realise that there were also different types. being in VIC, i think we use the tongue scraper, so yeah if anyone has more information, please contribute! :D
 
sorry to bump, but no one else has anymore info? thought there'd be more talk about it as they've become alot more common these days
 
if you dont drive under the influence, you have nothing to worry about. tell the truth. it is not illegal to admit to using drugs, it is just illegal to possess them or drive under their influence.

if your not high and u dont have drugs on you, dont worry about it. if u do a test and for some reason ur positive, furthur tests should clear that up and youll be fine.

you cant (shouldnt) get done for driving under the influence, if your not.
 
ifonly said:
you cant (shouldnt) get done for driving under the influence, if your not.
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It would be good if that was the case, but from what I've read the tests catch people many hours after the main effects have been experienced. For example, this brochure suggests the following:

page_6_of_brochure said:
How long after consuming these two illegal drugs can they
be detected?

•The devices to be used detect THC (the active component in
cannabis) for several hours after use. This can depend on a
number of factors, such as the strength of the cannabis and
individual metabolism.
A driver who may have inactive THC residue in their body from use
in previous days/weeks will not be detected.

•Methylamphetamines (speed) may be detected for approximately
one day after use. Large doses, other drugs taken at the same time,
and differences in individual metabolism may alter the duration of
the effects of these drugs.
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The suggestion of "several hours" for cannabis is fairly vague, but I'm sure I've seen other figures suggesting it will detect cannabis for 6-8 hours after consumption. Despite the brochure saying that use from previous days won't be detected, I think if you smoked before bed and got up 8 hours later there might still be a chance it is still in your system. That said, I've also seen other figures suggesting that it will only be detected for 4 hours, and yet another set of figures suggesting 5 hours.

I'm sure I've also seen a reference saying that MDMA will only be detected for up to 8 hours after consumption, though the above figures both suggest that MDMA will be detected for up to 24 hours.

All sources seem to suggest that meth will be detected for up to 24 hours.
 
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MDMA is metabolised faster than methamphetamine though? And racemate Amphetamine/Dex pills or amphetamine sulphate is metabolised faster than meth too.
 
Splatt said:
MDMA is metabolised faster than methamphetamine though? And racemate Amphetamine/Dex pills or amphetamine sulphate is metabolised faster than meth too.
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Perhaps the indicator used for meth is more sensitive than that used for some of the other substances.
 
I think the only reason they suggest up to 24 hours for MDMA is that ecstasy pills may contain meth. If it was clean MDMA, I can't imagine it would be detected 24 hours later. I don't have any source to base that on though.

As for amphetamine, though it would cause a positive on the saliva test, I wonder what would happen when the lab results showed no meth but instead amphetamine. From what I've read, meth and MDMA are the only amphetamines they are interested in. MDA would probably be treated the same as MDMA, but I wonder how far that would extend - MDEA? bk-MDEA? What about if you are (unfortunate enough to be) under the influence of PMA? What about a research chemical such as TMA? There simply isn't any references available on the law regarding these.

The legal product "spice gold" is rumored to contain an analogue of THC. I imagine this may cause a positive on the saliva test - but what would happen when the lab results showed not THC but an analogue?
 
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These are all good questions. I dont think a lab test would be a GC/MS, it would just be testing for methamphetamine, MDMA, THC, but they may look for amphetamine also ? I heard dexamphetamine causes a initial positive for amphetamines in other states.
 
ifonly said:
it is not illegal to admit to using drugs
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WRONG!!! Using a prohibited substance is an offence. Admitting use is evidence of an offence. You can be charged with use if you admit to use.

Admittedly - it's pretty rare to be charged in these circumstances; police exercise some discretion usually. But it is an offence...
 
Perhaps the indicator used for meth is more sensitive than that used for some of the other substances.
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Opiates --> 50ng/ml

Cannabis--> 25ng/ml

Amphetamine type stimulants (ATS) --> 50ng/ml

Cocaine and metabolites --> 50ng/ml

Variation between the binding affinity of different amphetamines to the single ATS antibody is likely to make little difference. Its more the relative metabolic half-life of each substance that causes a meth user to test positive long after an amphetamine user will not.
 
In Queensland, admitting to using illicit drugs at any time you get charged. Its not something they would chase up on, but if you tell them they have the right to charge you for previous offence.
 
nice guys, this is what i wanted, some more info at least, cheers - if anyone wants to add please do
 
Splatt said:
MDMA is metabolised faster than methamphetamine though? And racemate Amphetamine/Dex pills or amphetamine sulphate is metabolised faster than meth too.
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I actually wrote a letter to the police or vicroads when they were bringing this law into effect in late 2004 (just a few days after that truckie got done with a false positive in footscray for marijuana) Anyway, I asked whether the test would discriminate between my dexamphetamine medication (legit) and methamphetamine (street stuff). They assured me the test could discriminate; on the one hand, I plain don't trust their science. But on the other hand, it's obviously an obstacle they foresaw, so they probably dealt with it (read the news, police never drop the ball on this kind of important shit)
How on earth someone using meth is percieved as a higher danger than a driver who could potentially be fucked up on opiates, benzos, GHB, ket etc, is beyond me though. Oh well, they gotta start somewhere. I support what they are trying to do, but seriously, if you're gonna do something, do it properly.
Just my 2 cents
 
ayjay said:
WRONG!!! Using a prohibited substance is an offence. Admitting use is evidence of an offence. You can be charged with use if you admit to use.

Admittedly - it's pretty rare to be charged in these circumstances; police exercise some discretion usually. But it is an offence...
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then by the time the charges are taken to court the charges will be dropped. My bro is a lawyer, this happens so often, it's the norm he says. How can the police prove you willing ingested/smoked anything? It could've been second-hand ice/dope/crack smoke, a spiked drink, accidentally ate a laced brownie, wrong mushroom... etc, etc.
But, that being said, if you drive while fucked up on drugs, you deserve what's coming to you.
 
I'm still suspect,
I've had a person on this site
(legitimate)
say they've been picked up after
about 36+ hours
followin' their 'binge'
(over four hours)
on four lines of methamphetamine (cut but strong).


They had sleep in between.

This still really pisses me off about this testing.
This person WAS clearly, as they said,
not still affected by the speed.

:\

Anyway.
Sorry about my vagueness
& non-scientishionness.

PEACE
UnS
:)
 
Yeah they are UnSquare, and thats the worst time to be driving unless you've had sleep. Its coming down, plus driving tired, which is a killer on the roads... micronaps.
 
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