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Opioids So damn cold...

Treefa

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haven't taken any opiates besides tramadol yesterday(which helped get my mind off it). and some hydromorph about 1 and a half weeks ago. I think about opiates every single day tho.

Somedays when i don't have any i feel depressed, tired, completley void of any enthusiasm etc.., and most of all i get COLD. Usually when i get cold like that i'll bundle up and usually end up falling asleep(at really odd hours)

First i get really hot actually in the mornings then about a few hours or a day later i get cold all the time. its kind of a depressing cold too.

I hate getting cold when the thermostat is at 75 degrees.

Is this a symptom of Paws?? I feel like it is, and my prognosis is bleak.

I can't be at peace without some form of opioid in my system...:( and i don't know what the fuck to do.

If I abstain and use nothing but weed and alcohol will these PAWS symptoms fade with time?
 
If I abstain and use nothing but weed and alcohol will these PAWS symptoms fade with time?

they absolutely will. while its not great to be an alcoholic pot smoker, its much safer than supporting a heavy opiate addiction.

I can't be at peace without some form of opioid in my system
you absolutely can. it will be a good while before you can, but you CAN. dont give up hope. i find life after PAWS much better than life on opiates, and i think you will as well. please dont give up hope yet
 
Its your choice man, if you wanna continue using you know how you will end up in the end...
Just honestly do anything to take your mind off it,,being busy with other things ( literally anythingg else) is one of the best ways to get through stuff like this.
Just keep going without it, things can only get beter as time passes....
 
well thanks for the advice guys..
I think one problem is that i'm hardly ever busy..i really should get a job, but they are not easy to come by where i live. And all i do in my free time is get high.

Trouble is, though, that i use(not the good stuff, more like codeine, hydrocodone, mixed with a benzo etc) mainly when i go to community college, or any type of social setting really, because i'm akward and anxious. Not to mention i have pain(back,neck, etc) but what kinda doc would Rx a 19 year old lortabs for back pain?? Not mine.
I currently take lorazepam for anxiety, which i hardly ever abuse because it makes me hysterical sometimes(about 5mg can do this, but if i take 3 xanax bars or 3or4mg k-pins i'll be just fine, not hysterical or sad). when i take the prescribed dose though it does nothin. Weed helps me alot, but doesn't last but 1-2 hours(and thats dankalank too), and i'm way too broke for that especially when i can score some opiates, ill spend 80% on pills and the other 20% on weed.

I just feel like an old ass man, like i'm just a burden on my family and i'm gonna die any day from some illness that has'nt been caught.

I think i'm gonna try and stop using everything but weed. I might ask my doc if he could Rx some Cymbalta. I'm Scared to death of anti-depressants, i prefer God's meds(opium, weed, etc.).

It's funny, i will bet you 100$ if i go to any doctor in the U.S and ask specifically for Cymbalta or Lexapro they would write me scripts all damn day long. If i asked for something for my pain they'll give me Flexeril...If i asked specifically for even a low dose of an opiate they'd probably call the patty wagon.

On the bright side i havent iv'd yet(against my stronger urges).
 
the coldness feeling/goosebumps are always the first sign of a lack of opiates in my system. They are also the symptoms that last longest along with the general feeling of uneasiness/anxiety that most people experience.

i know it seems minor but it gets to me after dealing with it so many days and leads me to justify using.
 
Treefa,
I can really relate to some of the things you said. I dread physical withdrawal, but the emotional side of things is far worse to me. I'm actually about to start withdrawing from oxycodone, but only for a few days as I get my prescription on the 27th.
I have a daughter and a husband and I hate being around them this way. I am so depressed and feel so badly I literally cannot function or do anything.
Just know that you are not alone.
 
Killa Bees is so right.

I get the goosebumbs ALL THE FUCKING TIME....it could be 90*F outside and i get a chill down the spine and hardcore goosebumbs that last for at least 5-10 minutes.

The dillies are gone, i just found i can get some Oxy for 1$ a milligram..Terrible price i know, but i think i'm gonna get some tommorow or wedsnay..

Sorry i'm just too broke for weed and too young for alcohol(at least to drink when i want to, its always when the 21 yolds want to get it).
 
i wrote this directed at you in another thread, but see that you have a thread about yourself here.

Most of below is directed mainly at benzo use, but also can apply to opioid use.

If you are going to use benzos for anxiety stop trying to abuse them. You will never get the desired results because one, your building a tolerance, two they become less effective over time especially at higher doses, three your expecting some sort of high like effect (when your prescribed benzos, your not supposed to feel high, nor are they supposed to completely take away all the care in the world). If you actually want your benzos to work for you, STOP ABUSING THEM, SEE A THERAPIST TO WORK THROUGH YOUR ANXIETY, STOP EXPECTING ANY SORT OF HIGH FOR THERAPEUTIC DOSES. Seriously, go speak with a therapist every week to work through your anxiety so you don't need any drugs anymore (if you are on drugs for mental problems ALWAYS see a therapist - drugs don't fix anything, therapists do), eat well (make a food diary and make yourself eat healthy), keep a steady sleeping schedule (wake up the same time everyday, go to bed the same time everday), go out and get exercise (start off doing it twice a week for 15-30 mins, then start progressing when you can handle it).

You will never get over your problems if you keep relying on drugs to help you out. Drugs don't fix a damn thing in the world (in terms of psychiatric shit in most cases like this). They are a bandaid and what happens with alot of bandaids? they fall off and don't do their job anymore. Benzos and opioids work like this. Find a way to deal will your problems by speaking to a therapist, not a psychiatrist who just wants to pump you full of medication. I've managed to get over 75% of my anxiety issues within 6 months of talking to a therapist, and if I was just taking a benzo, I'd still have that anxiety. IF I stopped the benzo, I'd actually be left with worse anxiety than before. Benzos should be taken only in the most severe cases, or for short term.

The key to overcoming or dealing with most mental disorders (I know not all are alike, but for a good portion of self-medicators this applies) -
-Find a therapist that you can open up to. The first one you try, may not be the one for you, so you need to find one that fits your personality. Also be willing to do the work. You can't go into a session expecting it to heal you, you need to go in work within the session, get out in the real world and apply what you've learned with in the sessions.
-If drugs are recommend, ask why, dig into why they seem like they are on the table. See if its possible to try and work through issues with out them, but if they are needed, make sure you use them in conjunction with regular therapy, so you can work through the underlying issues. Try to spend as little time as possible on the medication, so you can fully use the skills you learned/worked on in the real world to over come your problems
-Start a sleep schedule - Make bed times for yourself (its not something that only kids should have, it is what helps adults be healthy). Wake up in the morning (not the afternoon, so you get the most out of the day, the sun is good for you), go to bed not real late at night and roughly the same time everyday (8-9 hours is what you should aim for. People claim they can do fine with less, but I bet half if not more of those folks are BSing and could do better with more sleep)
-Start a eating diary, so you can examine what types of food you put in yourself everyday. Then you can adjust how you eat, so you can make sure you get 4-5 periods of food consumption. Make sure the foods you choose to eat are not junk food, but fruit, veggies, the right amount of carbs, fat, dairy, etc. You can better plan your trips to the grocery store. This alone will make you feel 100x better than you normally do.
-Start working out. If that means going out on a run/walk for 15mins twice a week, then thats a start. Keep a journal to view your progress. Start increasing the number of days you exercise, ie go up to 3 days a week, then to 4. You might get to the point that exercising becomes something you look forward to everyday because it makes you feel confident, makes you less tired through out the day, turns the heads of women or men, etc.
-Find hobbies out side of doing drugs. Anything will do. Build chairs, learn how to solder PC boards to create cool sound machines, find buddies to play soccer, try your hand at skateboarding, etc. It really doesn't matter.

You don't have to do everything at once, but slowly work up to the point where your able to do all these little things and I promise you, you wont have any anxiety. You'll feel damn good about yourself, you'll start to get to the goals that you've had set for years but never been able to reach.


You basically just need to get off all drugs besides non-narcotic pain killers to help with your pain, use physical therapy techniques to strengthen the body parts that hurt so you can find good ways to exercise with out hurting them. Drugs are dragging you down, and are going to continue to fuck your life up. Your still real young so, don't keep down this path of destructive drug use, quit now.
 
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I said that i DON't Abuse my benzos. NOt my prescribed ones at least. I take 1-3mg of ativan a day. Almost every day, but i skip days too.

Somedays i feel reallly good and don't need drugs right off the bat.
Sometimes when i go to social situations, i pop a Lorazepam or 2.

I have hobbies, i play guitar, go to college(takes up alot of time, hydros help me study), and smoke weed.

I said that every once in like a month i MIGHT take about 3 or 4 ativan if i have nothing on a weekend.

I took about 6 50mg trams, feel ok, probably gonna stay up till about 2 or 3 and i got class tomorrow.

I'm saving 5 trams and a few K-pins for class tomorrow(when i have alot of pain) and 7 for after class. I'll probably buy and eighth of some good weed and get high as i can off 6 trams and some benzos and weed tomorrow night.

After that i'ma stick to weed and alcohol.

Please don't play doctor with me cloudy, i know i need to stop, and i will, but it's hard right now...

My diet is very bad though.. I never eat breakfast and can skip all meals if i don't have some weed for my appetite. So yea my diet could use improvement and i know all about nutrition just broke atm..
 
That post by Cloudy was seriously inspiring, great post man. Treefa, you said that you do not abuse benzos etc in relation to Cloudy's post, however, his/her post can be used metaphorically in other aspects of your/my/our life. Just because Cloudy has not got all aspects of your life down to 100% accurate, does not mean that post is irrelevant. Quite the contrary.

On another note, I am not one to speak, as I am also a drug bloody LOVER. A junks of all junks, but, from what I can read from your last post about using the trams and weed, your planning ahead of when and how to do them to get as "high as you can", on weekends off you feel like it is a good excuse etc, you do seem to have a problem and you also seem to know that you do.

There is a way out man, you just have to really want it, something has to really inspire you to just quit. The drugs can be used to maintain a healthy life (pain, benzos for some social situations), but that is all..not to use as a substitute for something we all take granted, life.
 
I said that i DON't Abuse my benzos. NOt my prescribed ones at least. I take 1-3mg of ativan a day. Almost every day, but i skip days too.

Somedays i feel reallly good and don't need drugs right off the bat.
Sometimes when i go to social situations, i pop a Lorazepam or 2.

I have hobbies, i play guitar, go to college(takes up alot of time, hydros help me study), and smoke weed.

I said that every once in like a month i MIGHT take about 3 or 4 ativan if i have nothing on a weekend.

I took about 6 50mg trams, feel ok, probably gonna stay up till about 2 or 3 and i got class tomorrow.

I'm saving 5 trams and a few K-pins for class tomorrow(when i have alot of pain) and 7 for after class. I'll probably buy and eighth of some good weed and get high as i can off 6 trams and some benzos and weed tomorrow night.

After that i'ma stick to weed and alcohol.

Please don't play doctor with me cloudy, i know i need to stop, and i will, but it's hard right now...

My diet is very bad though.. I never eat breakfast and can skip all meals if i don't have some weed for my appetite. So yea my diet could use improvement and i know all about nutrition just broke atm..

i hope you know what you're doing with all those trams, i wouldnt take more than 8 a day because of the whole seizure thing

anyways man, i used to be very similar a couple years ago. very broke and using opiates as much as i could afford/get them. half the time i was always just super cold and anxious. back then i couldn't even put 2 and 2 together and figure out it was the opiates, i just thought something was wrong with me. these symptoms tend to just get worse with using. at one point my legs were always very cramped up, it was pretty painful and i always googled it because i thought i had a weird disease, until one day i found a connection between what i was going thru and opiates. needless to say i didnt stop and this just got worse and worse until i ended up having to go thru full blown withdrawal about 8 hours after my last dose.
you should definitely consider quitting. benzos too. all they do is create WORSE problems for you down the road. quit them altogether if you still can. if you absolutely must use them i wouldn't do it more than once a week, after you have been off completely for a couple of months of course.
exercise will help your symptoms. depression as well as the cold and empty feeling. at the stage you are right now you still have a chance of coming back 100% if you quit, you just need to give yourself a couple months.
 
Kratom Helped me SO MUCH.
Search the forums and you'll find out more.
I'm going to begin another thread sometime soon to try to clarify. But I'm all tired out right now.
I'm using Bali Kratom at night to help with the insomnia and Maeng Da during the day.
For the first time in years I feel like I'm managing my habit with hopes to quit altogether sometime. But for the present time management is completely acceptable as opposed to being managed.
 
I said that i DON't Abuse my benzos. NOt my prescribed ones at least. I take 1-3mg of ativan a day. Almost every day, but i skip days too.

Somedays i feel reallly good and don't need drugs right off the bat.
Sometimes when i go to social situations, i pop a Lorazepam or 2.

I have hobbies, i play guitar, go to college(takes up alot of time, hydros help me study), and smoke weed.

I said that every once in like a month i MIGHT take about 3 or 4 ativan if i have nothing on a weekend.

I took about 6 50mg trams, feel ok, probably gonna stay up till about 2 or 3 and i got class tomorrow.

I'm saving 5 trams and a few K-pins for class tomorrow(when i have alot of pain) and 7 for after class. I'll probably buy and eighth of some good weed and get high as i can off 6 trams and some benzos and weed tomorrow night.

After that i'ma stick to weed and alcohol.

Please don't play doctor with me cloudy, i know i need to stop, and i will, but it's hard right now...

My diet is very bad though.. I never eat breakfast and can skip all meals if i don't have some weed for my appetite. So yea my diet could use improvement and i know all about nutrition just broke atm..

Dude it doesn't matter if you don't abuse the benzos your scripted. Your tolerance will increase from abusing other benzos. So if you abuse benzos AT ALL you are fucking up the theraputic benifets for your scripted benzos. Thats why you aren't getting the effects you want from the scripted ones. Its seriously not that hard to understand. Don't abuse benzos at all if you are trying to use any benzo for therapy.

I'm also not playing doctor with you, I'm trying to give you some advice because your 19 and need to get out of this hole that you put yourself in. You should stop taking all drugs. Stop smoking weed, stop drinking alcohol, because it seems like all your drug use is for some form of self medication whether you want to admit it or not. I've been through similar shit that you have been, and I've seen the damage that can be done.

IF your in college, stop partying, stop pretending that drugs are going to help you make it through school, and fucking spend your time studying and being sucessful. You don't want to drop out of school because you fuck up, nor do you want to end up graduating if you manage to with a drug habit. College is expensive and you may not get another chance to complete a degree, especially if you build up massive student loans. Go to school and get an education. You'll be so much happier if you can manage to get through school with great grades, and graduate than if you spend your time getting as high as you can, then accidently dropping out.

Since you know you have a problem, and not that bad of one compared to what it could be, and might be in the future, your better off stopping now. Stop while it is still easy. You don't want to be dependent on high dose benzos, opioids, weed, etc. Get off while you can with out much trouble or ramifications.

To fix your appetite STOP SMOKING WEED. don't let drugs control how you function in life. Weed is a pretty harmless drug,but it still can have major effects on someones life. Just hearing you say that you can't eat with out smoking weed just shows how much you really need to stop all this drug use.

Don't use the excuse of being broke as the reason why you can't eat well, because thats BS. Stop buying extra benzos, stop buying weed, stop buying opioids, and you'll have plenty of money for food. You'll thank yourself so much if you actually get a good habit with eating. You'll do well in school, you'll feel so much better about yourself, you'll be more successful with your hobbies and women. Drugs are just bringing you down.
 
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My mind works better on opiates. I have issues with depression.
People try to tell me things like "well of course you aren't depressed, you're high on PKs"
But I can win at chess over opponents that I never could have beaten when I was straight.
I can type faster, I can read with better comprehension.
There are some of us who's brain chemistry needs some help, antidepressants aren't the answer... they SUCK
But opioid WDs suck worse
The rules for people who use opioids are the same for everyone, regardless of your reason for using them. You're gonna pay hard when you run out. Which is too bad, cause even if they were legal and cheap, there'd still be that factor.
How we deal with our downtime is something that we need to figure out.
 
You don't hear what cloudy is saying now but one day it will all come to a head, and you'll say oh yeah...
 
Been feeling the cold all morning and afternoon. Withdrawal starting to set in at work. Even with 3 hours left, I can't stand to be here, in the state im slowly slipping into.
 
for gods sake man youre 19. prime of your life, dont let the drugs and lifestyle sour your future. Youre in college which is a plus, make the most of that shit. is there a class or major you are interested in? I really wish a long time ago i had learned to feed my brian with school and not heroin. No one can tell you the right answer or show you the path, just share their experiences and hopefully give you some insight to what you are dealing with. trust me man, youre not the first person to go through these feelings, the coldness and all tjhat shit will go away eventually. just dont substitute one drug for another if you dont have to. i say if you dont have to just because say if you were doing a shit load of heroin, you could get on bupe or methadone which in effect would be substituting...but i digress...

hang in there man, things will get better.
 
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