Snitching revisited (extremely good article & intelligent discussion)

[psychetool]

Vandal was referring to graff...and if you dont understand why people dont just draw in a book or something then theres is no explaining that. plenty of cats on here who write will tell you that.

Cool, but why not do it on a graffiti wall ? They have plenty of em around where taggers can go put up their stuff. Why is there no explaining ? Why the need to tag someones personal property and fuck up their paint job ? Also, so many of the tags out there just plain fucking SUCK. Like UGK or SVN insert whatever the name of whatever gang wants to do it in just some black spraypaint, great, thats not art its some fucking letters scrawled on the side of a building.

You never fought somebody? You never kicked somebodys ass for fuckin with your girl? You never got drunk and bashed some dumb muthafuckas teeth in for running his mouth? All that = violent person....

I wouldn't hurt -innocent- people, i'v been pushed into a few fights before but i'm not out there bashing in some dumb motherfuckas teeth in for talking shit, no, i'd probably just kick him out because he was a loser or have a group of friends forcibly eject him. The laws must be different in NJ, but over here assault is a pretty heavy charge and thats not anything I want to be involved with.

it aint like this shit is a fuckin felony. dont act so high and mighty of it, i aint said i go around knockin out niggas or murdering peoples babymama and dog cuz they owe me money, but shit happens. it aint that big of a fuckin deal.

At least in oregon assault and robbery most definitly is a felony. I'm not trying to act high and mighty, i'm just saying its against my ethics. Ever been robbed before ? Been pushed into a fight you didn't want ? It's no fun. Still I know people who have done that kind of stuff (robbery stuff) and I wouldn't snitch on them unless I was indicted or directly questioned by the police. I'm not going to protect some random criminal who was fucking with the general population just because. If it was some brutal assault or something though I think i'd definitly call the cops, especially on a wifebeater or someone starting shit with people obviously much smaller then themselfs. You'd be surprised how many drunken assholes there are out there who are just ITCHING for a fight. If it was just 2 guys with a beef ? I'd just let them settle it themselfs. As for murdering people or killing their animals, no - that shit doesn't just happen and it is a big deal, that is fucking horrible and I would be first in line to drop the heat on their ass if I knew about it. I dunno, loyalty comes into play a bit too because no matter what I wouldn't snitch on one of my true friends - i'd be in there doing time before giving up one of the few trusted people I know.

How is this relevant to the topic

Well we're talking about what we would snitch on or not and why, doesn't that relate pretty directly to the topic at hand ?

u never help law enforcement arrest anyone if it had nothing to do with you...

So if you saw a rape or some little kid get murdered you wouldn't step up and help the police to find the people in question, even if you knew ? Thats just fucking cold, man. Wouldn't you want someone stepping up to the plate for you ?

 

[faris]

i basically see drugs as victimless crimes, unless of course you die from it because you got some bunk shit or whatever.

however....
why you gotta steal?
why you gotta destroy property?
why you gotta beat people up, unless it's directly related to you - like your family...not your "girl" or your "boy"?

those things, like psycetool pointed out, are morally wrong in my opinion. i see nothing wrong with drugs and therefore, would not snitch.

but i guess as lacey's pointed out...if you are one of "them", then that's really hypocritical to snitch or get involved in other people's misfortunes. but since i'm not one of "them", i can't say i won't offer any information that i have about anything i saw in reference to the things i mentioned above. but since i'm one of "them" in the drug game, i would never snitch on another user or a dealer. like others said in the original thread, you spread the word and move on. the dealer will go out of business or eventually get caught by someone who *will* snitch.

 

[Khadijah]

my bad tried to edit a post and hit quote instead

 

[SardonicNihilist]

lacey K

I concede I am not American, nor have I ever been to a project of the kind you describe. I did say in my earlier post there is a distinct possibility you live in such a place, but I`m sure you can see my point- that there is a whole generation of kids who emulate the tough guy ghetto wannabe gangsta stereotype mainly due to the way it is depicted in hip hop and the media. It is mainly the cause-less teenage rebellion which attracts kids to this lifestyle, and in my experience, most of these kids come from pretty well-off families. Their parents buy them a pimped out `ride`, all the latest ghetto fashion clothes, and when they get in trouble with the law their folks bail them out with an expensive lawyer. I`m not entirely up to date with contemporary hip hop, (no I should say `gangsta rap`, as there is a huge difference) but I knew kids who took the words of Eazy E, Ice Cube, Sen Dog etc. as gospel, never questioning or realising it`s nothing but a manufactured image created to market the music and merchandise. I mean, half of these `gangsta rappers` probably never even held a `gat` until the album cover photo shoot. Kids like this are the essence of the stereotype, and care little for non-violent or more thought provoking lyrics from the likes of Run DMC, Grandmaster flash, Eric B, KRS ONE etc.

I got rolled (aussie for robbed, mugged) at a party when I was in my early teens. The dude was threatening to stab random people who were mostly stoned off their heads staring at shit and laughing, until they realised these tough guys were serious. When heaps of my friends eventually, non-violently convinced these guys to leave, they were bragging about `yeah you got rolled, cos we`re tougher than you. It`s all good. Get tough, and one day you`ll roll someone and get your own back, it`s as easy as that.`

A year or so later this guy did stab someone, but was beaten to within an inch of his life for it (nice)- had an unrelated court case and guess what, his rich parents bailed him out. And over the years the cycle continued, as Gangstar said it, `the rep grows bigger`, and last I heard the guy is locked up. That life isn`t cool, there`s no special code of honour that I can respect- people like that are just fucking jail bait out to prove the `bigger dick theory`.

I am not suggesting you are one of these stereotypes, for despite your `creative` use of language, i can see intelligent ideas, a good vocabulary and a keen eye for observation.

I never claimed to be an expert on the subject- I can only make my decisions based on what I see, read and hear in the media- in movies, artcles, interviews etc.

But I stand by my comment regarding the lack of maturity. What annoys me the most is the `us vs. them` mentality. I have some bad habits, and I socialise in circles where I don`t exactly respect the kind of llife certain people are living- but I never claim allegiance to this abstract `us` in terms of social solidarity. I`ve met people who casually brag about the number of times they`ve ODd, or how many times they`ve re-used the same fit, how they`ve ripped off so many people for drug money, basically how cool they are for fucking up their life- `man, you just don`t know, I`ve been using for over 10 years, I spend $800 a day man, I got hep C, golden staph...` (yeah, you`re a real expert on drugs and I envy you8)).. or brag about how their group of 20 odd people at the club got into a brawl with `those other guys` and how cool it was when so and so got arrested and that other cunt got taken away in an ambulance. I have maybe one thing in common with these people, and that would be mutual friends, from the same area, or choice of substance, but that is all. I don`t `got their back` or any shit like that. I have my own values and judgements and if you do something that I think deserves intervention by the law, I`ll call authorities or be a witness in court in a heart beat.

I gave some examples earlier so I`m not going to repeat everything. Just to say if two or more parties are willingly engaging in illegal activity, knowing full well what the possible outcomes or consequences may be, then the law has no place. But when there is an innocent, uninvolved, third party, devoid of any knowledge of the illegal activities, then they deserve to be looked out for, and those committing the crime also deserve the law to be brought down upon them.

 

[Footloose]

ya'll are grouping up on lacey again, but i know exactly what shes talking about. I used to pull B8E's with alarming regularity and would still class myself as an opportunistic theif. It would be pretty hypocritical of me to snitch out some dude i see nabbing CD's or jackin a car stereo when i've done the same thing hundreds of times. The government steals from us all the time, then forbids us to do the same 8(

i would draw the line at property crimes though... rape/unfair fights/murder etc is fucked up. Even then, i wouldn't snitch if i could help it, i'd much prefer to curb stomp the perpretators face than trust a snails pace justice system to do something equivalent.

 

[tambourine-man]

Oh for fuck's sake.

Yeah, the Government steals from you.... so therefor you should correct this wrong by stealing someone else's shit. What a pile of bullshit.

Honestly, I read people whinging about how bad things are in ghettos, about how terrible acts happen... well where the fuck did people get the idea that they could get away with murder, theiving or assualt? I'll tell you where... they found out that people are too pussy, too apathetic, or just too fucking lazy to do the right thing and turn the fuckers in to the cops.

You rob, assualt or kill someone or smash something up, then you deserve to be turned in for being an amoral piece of shit. It's got nothing to do with 'honour among theives' or 'the street code'... that's just a mystical cloak people use to cover up the fact that they're a fucking lowlife.

I have no problem turning in people of that ilk. They're scum... and the police can deal with them.

 

[Footloose]

Yeah, the Government steals from you.... so therefor you should correct this wrong by stealing someone else's shit.

i'm glad you unnerstand padre. i wasn't really serious though, its a pretty lame excuse. my excuse is.. because i don't give a fuck, and because i can? the worlds never done me any favors or given me seconds, so i'll dig in for dessert if i can get away with it.

 

[tambourine-man]

Newsflash: The world doesn't owe you any favours, nor a free meal.

 

[pIeCE]

Hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing. Unless it is a child molester on my block or if something involves 'my family' as a victim. If I can handle it without government intervention, even better.

I will stand up for my property and property of neighbors. Vandals and thieves, I chase off with a bat, if I can get a few swings in beefore LE arrives cool and if cops want a description I give it to them. If they get out of jail later and have a problem with my testimony, they know where I live (because they seen me with the bat) lol

People want to fire rounds into my trailer , they can bet that I will shoot back and deal with consequences later. Somebody burglarizes my home or steals my car when I'm out, I call the cops and I file a report.

When it comes to victimless crimes, snitching is wrong in every sense of the word. If I get into trouble, I accept the faults of my actions and do my time. No need to bring others with me.

I dont get involved with domestic disputes. If somebody shows up at my door covered in blood, I keep the door locked and dont let em in. They aint calling 911 from my phone because I aint to get assessed no ambulance fee.

If somebody wants to slap their old lady around across the street, it aint my business. Same goes for bank robbery, petty theft inside of stores. Somebody gets stabbed up or shot, even on my street (and it aint my family) it aint my business. If somebody is lifting stereos from cars in the Wally parking lot, fistfights etc same difference. The only place I look out for others property is on my street. (Unless its a chomo)

There is nobody on the streets enforcing code (at least not anymore). The ones who claim that they are 85% have snitched to get out of trouble and many of them gang members. If there was a code of honor, then child molesters wouldn't even bee allowed to bring a moving van down any block in America and if they did, only temporarily. When it comes to prison time, it is wise to take an absolutist stance on silence. The only place where silence is strictly enforced. (IMHO) Even if it is enforced by the rats themselves. lol

All in the name of looking out for your own and survival.

Streets= Territorial
Prison= Absolutist

Other then that, it wasnt me. Must have been someone who looked like me.

 

[completeki]

[EDIT- Enough with the name calling. If you have a problem with someone here, take it to PM, don't derail threads in my forum] -Pdx

 

[Khadijah]

YO, what the hell happened to intelligent discussion. i aint called people names, I aint started shit, and you didnt give nothing to this thread with your ignorant ass comments. you dont even know what the fuck im talking about and youre judging by it anyways. if you got a problem take it to PM. check your fuckin attitude bro.

 

[Footloose]

Newsflash: The world doesn't owe you any favours, nor a free meal.

i never said it did.

 

[Khadijah]

ya'll are grouping up on lacey again, but i know exactly what shes talking about. I used to pull B8E's with alarming regularity and would still class myself as an opportunistic theif. It would be pretty hypocritical of me to snitch out some dude i see nabbing CD's or jackin a car stereo when i've done the same thing hundreds of times. The government steals from us all the time, then forbids us to do the same 8(

i would draw the line at property crimes though... rape/unfair fights/murder etc is fucked up. Even then, i wouldn't snitch if i could help it, i'd much prefer to curb stomp the perpretators face than trust a snails pace justice system to do something equivalent.

Thank you

Thats all im sayin.

People seem to be un able to differentiate between someone who does this and is honest about it and sees it as not good or bad and some asshole thug who takes pride in fuckin up peoples shit and just looks for a chance to fuck up someone or something.

Youre judging something by a stereotype and not listening to the individual

I dont even pull that shit no more. I may be opportunistic i aint gonn lie, but aint like i got no standards. fuckin life is a lot more complex than some of yall are makin it out to be

And no one seems to be able to understand that it aint how hard you are that makes you not snitch or how ghetto or how gangsta or what the fuck ever, its just thats what you believe.

cats in the hood are snitches too, there is very few people who truly do live by certain codes and the rest are sheista's and rats and lookin to get themself ahead

Instead of seeing a principle that some choose to uphold its becoming a arguement of how stupid 'thug' or 'ghetto' peeps are and how stupid people who dont snitch are, this aint a intelligent discussion

I went outta my way to avoid the 'snitches get stiches, you a little bitch if you narc, you a piece of shit' mentality here, checkin myself and checkin myself on making judgement on other peoples reasons for why they do shit, so we could talk about it as some real shit , civilly, and instead it just came back around and turned into a thread to bash on people 8)

 

[*Venus*]

Newsflash: The world doesn't owe you any favours, nor a free meal.

Exactly, it felt good to blame others for the problems in my life, and then I grew the fuck up. More people than not struggle through life in way or another and it takes a serious amount of immaturity to vandalize a stranger's home because "they owe you."

I would have no problem releasing details of a rape/murder/robbery etc.

I would want someone to inform the cops about one of my family members murder, why the fuck would I just speak up for my own family and not others?

Victims cannot seek justice with apathetic witnesses. Everyone would want to know the fucker who killed a family member, right? That can never happen with this "my family only" mentality. h

 

[Khadijah]

^^You trippin?

where is anybody talking about rappers or hip hop artists?

the fuck are you tryina say? we talking about snitches not hip hop. the article was just from a hip hop site. Lil kim was used as a example because she went to jail becaseu she refused to snitch.....and your point is?

This aint a damn discussion of what hip hop culture is or aint or what the fuck ever, it aint about music. we talking about a issue that the only mention of music has been in the article....no one else is even on that shit....and where you start talking about graff artists? wtf? your post makes no sense

 

[droptech]

I was just rambling because the article has the term "hip hop" thrown in it everywhere, while talking about Lil Kim and 50 cent, etc which isnt hip hop

"where is anybody talking about rappers or hip hop artists?"
well alot of the article talks about rappers
the term "hip-hop" is in the article about 17 times

graffiti arists comment was just a stupid joke because its a main part of the hip hop culture