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Sega420
Bluelighter
no, you dont. that is completely wrong and bullshit. vaping is the way to experience the true taste of cannabis and the full range of cannabinoids. its delicious.
stop spouting misinformation.
vaped weed will only get you high if you dont fully vape it till its very dark brown verging on black.
if you only vape at around 170*C youll be left with light brown ground up herb that still contains some flavinoids and terpenoids and cannabinoids.
the range of highs a vape can give depends entirely on the temp you vape at.
the temperature determines which chemicals you will be consuming.
down at 157*C you're gonna get delta-9 THC with no CBD or CBN released,
you will also release ß-caryophyllene, a terpenoid that is vaped at 119*C,
a-pinene which comes at 156*C, along with ß-sitosterol which comes at 134*C.
vaping at 157*C would give you a delta-9-THC high, very lucid and uppy, as in it allows you to still function.
vape at 185*C and you're also getting delta-8-THC, CBD, and CBN into your system,
which would give a more stoney type of high, and provides more pain relief.
medical cannabis patients who use it for stuff like chemo sickness, MS, etc would be vaping at the high end of the temperature spectrum,
as they need the pain relief.
it doesnt "extract" only the ones vapourised at the temp you're using, it releases all the ones that are vaped before it too.
usually though to make my vape-bowls last longer, i start off at 160*C,
and 40 minutes to an hour later i might move up to 175*C, then up to 185, and finishing on 221*C.
getting more "stoned" as i go higher. as in instead of doing it all in one i get about 3x the use out of it.
i find my favourite temp to vape at to be between 175*C and 180*C, as its a good blend of analgesia,
along with the highness, but not too tiring.
vapes win.
"Specific boiling points and roles of cannabinoids" thread
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
^Claim what you want, one big hit from a bong gets me WAY more stoned. End of debate. If vapes are so fucking good, why do i have such a hard time getting a satisfactory cannabis high off them? Why is a bonghit just so much better?
These dont seem like properties the most efficient method of using cannabis should have does it now? If vapes truely were the best, than i wouldn't struggle to even get half as stoned as the water pipe gets me?
Know what i mean.. like in reality if it was so good? why does it suck so much? Even if i crank the temperature as high as it goes so as to make sure i'm releasing majority of the cannabinoids...still shitty subpar effects from the vape..
Also weed probably has less analgesic effects than popping a couple nurofens.
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These dont seem like properties the most efficient method of using cannabis should have does it now? If vapes truely were the best, than i wouldn't struggle to even get half as stoned as the water pipe gets me?
Know what i mean.. like in reality if it was so good? why does it suck so much? Even if i crank the temperature as high as it goes so as to make sure i'm releasing majority of the cannabinoids...still shitty subpar effects from the vape..
Also weed probably has less analgesic effects than popping a couple nurofens.
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Sega420
Bluelighter
what vapourisers have you used.
part of the high you feel when you SMOKE cannabis is a mild poisoning, aka your body sends out antibodies to fight the carcinogens etc from inhaling combusted plant matter.
many people say that they feel something is lacking from a vapouriser high.
whats lacking is being poisoned.
then again as with EVERYTHING, its subjective preference.
when you use a bong, you are getting a large amount of smoke all in one go,
you have a more CBDish high due to the water filtering out some thc content, (hence why its too easy to fall asleep after too many bongs),
and you are getting that mild poisoning intoxication feeling due to smoke.
now, i use a desktop digi vape, exactly like this one-
i find it extremely efficient, gets me very well high off of one bowl, the same as a bong or two would get me.
the main difference for me is that its a much more functional high, i dont feel as clouded in a haze when i vape,
im still able to move about n do stuff even when fucked from it, moreso than a bong.
on my desktop digi, its a glass bowlpiece with a fine metal screen that i place my herb on and place another screen over slightly,
which then fits onto the heating element bit.
as its a whip mouthpiece and not a bag or chamber,
as seen here;
so i have to drag from the whip. its a lot like smoking a hookah, and im going to try vaping some shisha at some point for flavour experimentation,
but i can take very very big draws into my lungs with it.
as its a vapour and not smoke, i can ghost the whole hit and not worry about any tar or bullshit absorbing into my lungs,
as all thats inside them to be absorbed into my bloodstream is cannabinoids, flavinoids and terpenoids.
you cant do this with smoking without absorbing nasty tar and cancerous bullshit.
also, thc is an expectorant, a respiratory dilator.
nicotine is a constrictor. however when you inhale cannabis smoke you are basically dilating your airways and inhaling tar etc.
after a day or two of heavy vape use i noticed my lungs starting to get clear of a lot of nasty dark mucus.
some was grey with black through it. not nice.
now i only really vape, and my lungs feel cleaner, i can breathe easier, ive cleared out a lot of mucus and nasty shit, and i can get up from my bed after an all night sesh on the vapouriser easier than with blunts or bongs etc.
vapes win.
(in my opinion. then again all opinions are subjective and therefore mean shit.
however, vapes do win for efficiency and healthyness. cannabis is good for you.
vaping allows you to get all the good medicinal benefits with none of the bad.
of course im talking physical health, not mental, thats an entirely different issue.)
ps analgesia means painkilling. im almost certain its common knowledge that a few hits of ganja will relieve a headache or shit, EVEN PAIN FROM CANCER,
better than a few nuerofens.
millions of med patients must be wrong though, right?
maybe they should stop whining about their chemo sickness and just take a neurofen express, eh?
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
the thread is about which way of consuming cannabis is the MOST EFFICIENT.
not which method is your favourite.
part of the high you feel when you SMOKE cannabis is a mild poisoning, aka your body sends out antibodies to fight the carcinogens etc from inhaling combusted plant matter.
many people say that they feel something is lacking from a vapouriser high.
whats lacking is being poisoned.
then again as with EVERYTHING, its subjective preference.
when you use a bong, you are getting a large amount of smoke all in one go,
you have a more CBDish high due to the water filtering out some thc content, (hence why its too easy to fall asleep after too many bongs),
and you are getting that mild poisoning intoxication feeling due to smoke.
now, i use a desktop digi vape, exactly like this one-
i find it extremely efficient, gets me very well high off of one bowl, the same as a bong or two would get me.
the main difference for me is that its a much more functional high, i dont feel as clouded in a haze when i vape,
im still able to move about n do stuff even when fucked from it, moreso than a bong.
on my desktop digi, its a glass bowlpiece with a fine metal screen that i place my herb on and place another screen over slightly,
which then fits onto the heating element bit.
as its a whip mouthpiece and not a bag or chamber,
as seen here;
so i have to drag from the whip. its a lot like smoking a hookah, and im going to try vaping some shisha at some point for flavour experimentation,
but i can take very very big draws into my lungs with it.
as its a vapour and not smoke, i can ghost the whole hit and not worry about any tar or bullshit absorbing into my lungs,
as all thats inside them to be absorbed into my bloodstream is cannabinoids, flavinoids and terpenoids.
you cant do this with smoking without absorbing nasty tar and cancerous bullshit.
also, thc is an expectorant, a respiratory dilator.
nicotine is a constrictor. however when you inhale cannabis smoke you are basically dilating your airways and inhaling tar etc.
after a day or two of heavy vape use i noticed my lungs starting to get clear of a lot of nasty dark mucus.
some was grey with black through it. not nice.
now i only really vape, and my lungs feel cleaner, i can breathe easier, ive cleared out a lot of mucus and nasty shit, and i can get up from my bed after an all night sesh on the vapouriser easier than with blunts or bongs etc.
vapes win.
(in my opinion. then again all opinions are subjective and therefore mean shit.
however, vapes do win for efficiency and healthyness. cannabis is good for you.
vaping allows you to get all the good medicinal benefits with none of the bad.
of course im talking physical health, not mental, thats an entirely different issue.)
ps analgesia means painkilling. im almost certain its common knowledge that a few hits of ganja will relieve a headache or shit, EVEN PAIN FROM CANCER,
better than a few nuerofens.
millions of med patients must be wrong though, right?
maybe they should stop whining about their chemo sickness and just take a neurofen express, eh?
the thread is about which way of consuming cannabis is the MOST EFFICIENT.
not which method is your favourite.
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delta_9
Bluelighter
^The GreenHouse Seed Co. booth was awesome this year btw. (Although their entry, 'Lemon Haze' if I recall, was sub-par IMHO)
Did you go this year Sega?
Did you go this year Sega?
Sega420
Bluelighter
hehe, you mean laaaast year, maaaan 
it's 2011.
unfortunately no, ive not been to the cup yet.
wouldve been the bees knees to empty that vape bag all to yourself, though eh
it's 2011.
unfortunately no, ive not been to the cup yet.
wouldve been the bees knees to empty that vape bag all to yourself, though eh
delta_9
Bluelighter
Lol yeah I forgot it's 2011.
I was able to get about 70% of one of the 'Barney's Farm' vapor bags before people started to say enough is enough
I was able to get about 70% of one of the 'Barney's Farm' vapor bags before people started to say enough is enough
slimvictor
Bluelight Crew
It takes some experimentation to figure out how to use a vape effectively.
My first few times didn't seem to work well, until I got careful instructions from a friend.
Also, the high is different (as Sega mentioned). It is more clear-headed, and some people want that cloudiness.
So such arguments can arise.
But, if you use a decent vape (with someone experienced instructing you, if necessary), it is definitely possible to get as high as you want to get with a vape.
Like, really, incredibly, ass-kickingly, ridiculously, completely high.
If you don't know that, you haven't found the right way to use a vape.
You can be clear-headed but no longer functional, if you vape enough at a lowish temp.
Can't do that with smoking.
My first few times didn't seem to work well, until I got careful instructions from a friend.
Also, the high is different (as Sega mentioned). It is more clear-headed, and some people want that cloudiness.
So such arguments can arise.
But, if you use a decent vape (with someone experienced instructing you, if necessary), it is definitely possible to get as high as you want to get with a vape.
Like, really, incredibly, ass-kickingly, ridiculously, completely high.
If you don't know that, you haven't found the right way to use a vape.
You can be clear-headed but no longer functional, if you vape enough at a lowish temp.
Can't do that with smoking.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
That's interesting. Methinks I'm gonna have to save up for the Silver Surfer vaporizer!! I think they retail for about £200 IIRC and have great reviews.
I'd love to get a volcano but they're so expensive that they're out of my price range.
Sega420
Bluelighter
for an extra $100 you could buy a volcano.
instead of buying a silver surfer why not buy a cheaper one that does exactly the same?
i got my desktop digi as mentioned above for £40 from Amazon.co.uk.
i was considering buying a volcano for 299 or 399 for the digi, but FUUUUCK that.
i saved my money and bought the desktop vape as well as a Magic Flight Launch Box for £80
(which are both amazing)
and a big fat bag of weed and some acid :D
value for money, yo
instead of buying a silver surfer why not buy a cheaper one that does exactly the same?
i got my desktop digi as mentioned above for £40 from Amazon.co.uk.
i was considering buying a volcano for 299 or 399 for the digi, but FUUUUCK that.
i saved my money and bought the desktop vape as well as a Magic Flight Launch Box for £80
(which are both amazing)
and a big fat bag of weed and some acid :D
value for money, yo
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
Sega420.
Cannabis does not do shit for a headache and it most definitely is not strong enough to have any analgesia effect on fucking CANCER PAIN. If you were experiencing 10/10 pain, i'd love to try cannabis vapour one day, then the next day lets try 80mg p/ hour IV morphine infusion and you tell me which one cures your pain better? Cannabis aint no painkiller son, that aint to say being stoned benefits chemo patients other ways nausea and such.
'part of the high you feel when you SMOKE cannabis is a mild poisoning, aka your body sends out antibodies to fight the carcinogens etc from inhaling combusted plant matter. '
Really now? Literally the high i feel is partly caused by my body sending out antibodies to fight carcinogens.. Thats a new one. antibody release sure feels good. (not to say smoking dont produce carcinogens, but antibody release partly responsible for the smoking high give me a break).
And yeah bongs dont incompacitate me to the point i cannot move around and function from bongs.
But vapouriser most efficient method for getting high? I don't beleive so, showing me pictures of expensive vapes isn't going to change that. Neither is talking about the nasty shit in smoke, i quite obviously made peace long ago with the fact i'm going damage my lungs and absorb some bullshit if i want to smoke bongs, evidently it's not an issue to me in the slightest.
So until the day i can put 100mg of bud into a vape, consume all the resulting vapour in one toke, exhale, and find myself with a more intense cannabis high than 100mg of the same bud through a bong, well i'm going to have to stick with my claim. Vapourisers are not the most efficient method at all. They do not get me the most high off the least amount of cannabis.
I used a volcano.
Cannabis does not do shit for a headache and it most definitely is not strong enough to have any analgesia effect on fucking CANCER PAIN. If you were experiencing 10/10 pain, i'd love to try cannabis vapour one day, then the next day lets try 80mg p/ hour IV morphine infusion and you tell me which one cures your pain better? Cannabis aint no painkiller son, that aint to say being stoned benefits chemo patients other ways nausea and such.
'part of the high you feel when you SMOKE cannabis is a mild poisoning, aka your body sends out antibodies to fight the carcinogens etc from inhaling combusted plant matter. '
Really now? Literally the high i feel is partly caused by my body sending out antibodies to fight carcinogens.. Thats a new one. antibody release sure feels good. (not to say smoking dont produce carcinogens, but antibody release partly responsible for the smoking high give me a break).
And yeah bongs dont incompacitate me to the point i cannot move around and function from bongs.
But vapouriser most efficient method for getting high? I don't beleive so, showing me pictures of expensive vapes isn't going to change that. Neither is talking about the nasty shit in smoke, i quite obviously made peace long ago with the fact i'm going damage my lungs and absorb some bullshit if i want to smoke bongs, evidently it's not an issue to me in the slightest.
So until the day i can put 100mg of bud into a vape, consume all the resulting vapour in one toke, exhale, and find myself with a more intense cannabis high than 100mg of the same bud through a bong, well i'm going to have to stick with my claim. Vapourisers are not the most efficient method at all. They do not get me the most high off the least amount of cannabis.
I used a volcano.
Sega420
Bluelighter
you clearly can't read properly. PART of the high is being poisoned.
not antibody release. antibodies are released to flush out the bad shit.
& first off you said neurofen, aka ibuprofen, now you're saying morphine
getagripson.com
i have done nothing but stated solid facts. ie such as you get the full whack from vaping as opposed to wasting some through
pyrolyzation when combusting it, along with the water filtering some.
as i said opinions are subjective, and that this thread is about which is the most efficient, not your favourite.
now if you prefer bongs or whatever, fair play to you, but im sorry,
it is a FACT that vapourising, when done CORRECTLY, is the most efficient way to consume cannabis.
to each their own. good day to you.
not antibody release. antibodies are released to flush out the bad shit.
& first off you said neurofen, aka ibuprofen, now you're saying morphine
getagripson.com
i have done nothing but stated solid facts. ie such as you get the full whack from vaping as opposed to wasting some through
pyrolyzation when combusting it, along with the water filtering some.
as i said opinions are subjective, and that this thread is about which is the most efficient, not your favourite.
now if you prefer bongs or whatever, fair play to you, but im sorry,
it is a FACT that vapourising, when done CORRECTLY, is the most efficient way to consume cannabis.
to each their own. good day to you.
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Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
Cannabis does help some people with pain to a degree. There's no doubting that, but yes, it's won't replace morphine completely. That said, I know a chronic pain sufferer who has drastically reduced his daily morphine dose over the years thanks to his cannabis smoking.
Not everyone benefits from it - that's certainly apparent from anecdotes I've heard of, however some people do get some benefit from what I've heard over the years.
Not everyone benefits from it - that's certainly apparent from anecdotes I've heard of, however some people do get some benefit from what I've heard over the years.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
^Yeah thats it man, thats more how cannabis helps with pain... Perhaps allow a chronic pain patient to get by with a less serious addiction to opiates, and thats of course a good thing... But call it was it is you know, a very mild analgesic. Anyone with cannabis tolerance isn't going to be able to control severe pain with cannabis.
Like sega420 was claiming patients with literal fucking CANCER PAIN, you know the most severe pain known to man pretty much. Pain so intense the patient is literally screaming in agony without huge load of morphine swimming through their blood. Dude wants to claim people use cannabis for cancer pain.
People DONT rely on marijuana to control cancer pain. Weed dont have the analgesic power to do SHIT to cancer pain on its own... Cannabis is a great drug for many other reasons though. But standout analgesia aint one of them, many better drugs to use for this reason.
Obviously though cannabis potentiates opiates, so cancer patients being treated for severe pain are going to benefit directly from the weed use. Maybe be able to survive with less pain medication than otherwise. So of course weed helps pain, but a good stand alone effective pain killer? Cannabis isnt so good.
And whatever..
'part of the smoking high is caused by poisoning'. I call bullshit on this. Whys that so hard to beleive? Oh you thought i ment the antibody release causes the high not the toxins? Both are stupid and not true....
I guess you beleive the high alcohol causes is due to the toxins right??
Like sega420 was claiming patients with literal fucking CANCER PAIN, you know the most severe pain known to man pretty much. Pain so intense the patient is literally screaming in agony without huge load of morphine swimming through their blood. Dude wants to claim people use cannabis for cancer pain.
People DONT rely on marijuana to control cancer pain. Weed dont have the analgesic power to do SHIT to cancer pain on its own... Cannabis is a great drug for many other reasons though. But standout analgesia aint one of them, many better drugs to use for this reason.
Obviously though cannabis potentiates opiates, so cancer patients being treated for severe pain are going to benefit directly from the weed use. Maybe be able to survive with less pain medication than otherwise. So of course weed helps pain, but a good stand alone effective pain killer? Cannabis isnt so good.
And whatever..
'part of the smoking high is caused by poisoning'. I call bullshit on this. Whys that so hard to beleive? Oh you thought i ment the antibody release causes the high not the toxins? Both are stupid and not true....
I guess you beleive the high alcohol causes is due to the toxins right??
Sega420
Bluelighter
seriously man you are fucking retarded. i like how you've now shifted the topic off of which is the most EFFICIENT way of cannabis consumption :D
i have stated scientific fact, and facts only.
im done in this thread as i know for a fact i am correct. go suck a dick, hater.
i have stated scientific fact, and facts only.
im done in this thread as i know for a fact i am correct. go suck a dick, hater.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
^Oh, well you can go get all personal like a little dickhead if you want. Just makes me laugh dude. I dont give a fuck about your opinions your allowed to have them, but i'm allowed to dispute them if you post them in a public forum... Why get all frustrated over a fucking thread? lol. Bah i love it, some of you kids get so worked up about nothing.
Chainer
Bluelighter
take it to PMs or end it here, either of you. This is the warning. that's it. Don't derail, and let's keep this place a tiny bit civil, eh?
Thank you.
Thank you.
Artificial Emotion
Bluelighter
I personally know someone with cancer who gets great benefit from smoking weed alongside his main analgesic medications. It's allowed him to reduce his pain killers down considerably. It helps some more than others and it won't have to same effect as IV morphine, for argument's sake, however it does help take the edge off for a lot of people. I believe they're doing clinical trials with cannabinoid-based medications right now to study it's efficacy in treating cancer pain and pain from other conditions.
I understand what you mean about it not being able to have the same affect as a substantial IV bolus of morphine, I really do and I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong. However, it does have it's place as an analgesic in my opinion, even if it is only used as an adjunctive medication as you were suggesting.
I hate to post without much meaningfulness but I think this picture sums up everything I would have to say about smoking weed.
2 gram joint of some fine locally grown northern lights, with some jamaican hash in the salad, along with honey oil drenched paper to seal the deal. I got the lettuce, I got the cheese, and I got the dressing. Mind you I got like 8 people stoned with this thing...
I've always rolled and smoked joints... so, most effective I guess... just don't feel guilty for smokin' a bit more weed
If you're stretching your stash, just make a proper lung.
2 gram joint of some fine locally grown northern lights, with some jamaican hash in the salad, along with honey oil drenched paper to seal the deal. I got the lettuce, I got the cheese, and I got the dressing. Mind you I got like 8 people stoned with this thing...
I've always rolled and smoked joints... so, most effective I guess... just don't feel guilty for smokin' a bit more weed
If you're stretching your stash, just make a proper lung.
8L4YN3
Bluelighter
^Man i stared at that thing in awe for ages then lol. fuck im stoned. awesome post.^No way in hell i'd say no to that thing.