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Smoking Spice: Relapse?

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So, I've been clean for about a week now from all drugs... Would you consider smoking spice, one day after being clean for a few months, a relapse? My wife thinks so and I don't. What do you guys think?
 
technically if you were clean, then ingested a chemical not prescribed or administered by a professional, that would be a relapse.

what you're doing is justifying, and your wife is trying to make you realize that.
 
If it's only that fucking weird fake cannabinoid shit that people smoke then no big deal. It's not like your smoking crack or shooting smack or whatever.
 
What does being clean mean to you? If you're attempting to avoid all substances then that would be a deviation from the plan. Depends what your goals are for yourself.
 
I want to be completely normal, sober and most of all, I want my brain to return to the way it was, before I ever used drugs.

I know it will be a long time before this will happen, but I think its just another way to get high and I know she is right... Of course, my addiction has to always look for another way to get high, even if it means doing it legally... I'm so tired of these games that addiction plays on my mind.

This is how it is for me, so to speak...

Me: w00t, clean and sober for a week!
Addiction: Spice... it's not a drug. It's just spice. It's not crack. You'll be fine, especially if you only do it once or twice every 6 months. No big deal.
Me: Ahhh, this spice makes me feel so high...
Wife: Not again, I am so tired of this. Why can't you just not be high?!
Me: It's just spice. It's not crack!

2 hours later, I am thinking to myself that I feel guilty... I feel like I sort of relapsed, but not completely. Of course, this is probably just my "addiction" talking. I don't even feel like I am addicted to drugs, or maybe I'm just addicted to feeling "different".

I do feel though, that I am learning more and more every day and the battles are getting easier to beat.

*sigh*

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Time for sobriety attempt number... fuck me, I lost count.

Funny thing is, apparently I think I've got sobriety, addiction, and depression all figured out and I tell people not to get high, and then I turn around and go get high. What the fuck? Talk about ironic.
 
But wait... what about other chemicals? Wouldn't that be defeating the purpose of sobriety? What about cigarettes, caffeine, and other things? It's all so confusing... or is that just my addiction trying to make it seem "okay" for me to get high?
 
now your over thinking it to a retarded level.
obvi caffeine and nicotine are acceptable, unless you plan to stop those too, take it one thing at a time.

you just need to focus on yourself, your wife is your accountability partner, and it sounds like she don't take too much shit.
 
Not those things, although they do make true sobriety harder to attain. more like anything harder than nicotine and caffeine.
And nicotine does really impair the brains healing from hard drug addiction.... since its still struggling to replace a false reward system and metabolic shift, why nail it with something like a nicotine fit. relapse city, boy.

and the mental part isn't addiction to the drugs.... the addiction is to feeling good. once drugs take the place of natural things which are normally the only times such highs are experienced...... its kinda cheating.
sobriety is earned, friend.... one fucking minute after the next.
 
Many people are able to get clean from the substance(s) they're addicted to and keep using other drugs. I know more then a couple former drug addicts who still smoke weed or synthetic cannibinoids and take psychedelics. Many find that cannabis can help them stay clean from substances that hurt them. But every person is different, and you need to find your answer.

The right thing to do is whichever thing is best for you. If smoking spice makes you relapse into whatever drug you were addicted to, then don't do it. If smoking spice helps you stay clean and makes you happy then it seems to me like it should be ok (although the health effects are unknown and you really should smoke marijuana instead).

And no, it's not a relapse. A relapse would be if you fell into using the drug(s) that you used to have a problem with. Maybe you relapsed from sobriety to drug use, but I don't see how your use of spice is related to the drugs you used to do. If it's causing problems for you or your family, you should probably not do it.
 
psychomimetic said:
Many people are able to get clean from the substance(s) they're addicted to and keep using other drugs. I know more then a couple former drug addicts who still smoke weed or synthetic cannibinoids and take psychedelics. Many find that cannabis can help them stay clean from substances that hurt them. But every person is different, and you need to find your answer.
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^ this is how I've stayed off opiates. That and a little cost-benefit analysis.

But very few ppl I've known can do it successfully and keep a balance... because feeling good just feels too good.

I'd say falling off the wagon isn't a relapse until you don't attempt to climb back on.... whatever the substance.

And above all, listen to your wife. She's married to you for a good reason, and I'm sure seeing you disregard her wishes and feelings to get high, isn't something that feels very nice for her. Give her a little love, instead of getting high. :)
 
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See, that's my problem... The way I see it, it's like coming home from work and having a beer every now and then. For a non-alcoholic who doesn't abuse alcohol, it's no big deal, right? But still, she does deserve it... If it wasn't for her, I'd probably be fully blown out on anything and everything. She has put up with it for so long and still does.

I've already done my years worth of drugs and getting high and I guess its the time to stay sober, and actually STAY sober. It's just not worth the fighting and problems anymore. She gives me ultimatums all the time, yet she still sticks by my side. I should fucking take her out to eat and buy her flowers and shit, instead of buying Spice and getting high. She's tired of it and her patience is running thin.
 
Addiction is always to the experience that a substance provides. Dependence on any particular substance may have its own nuances, with some more likely to cause life disruption than others.

Caffeine or nicotine dependence is no different than dependence on another drug. They are more affordable, more socially acceptable, and may cause less problems (at least in the short-term, for cigarettes). But there's nothing inherently different about dependence on these substances compared to other illegal drugs (I am dependent on both). Not that this should be used as a way to justify going out and consuming everything.

Any behavior can be engaged in an addictive manner and this too is no different from a legal or illegal drug.
 
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