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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Smoking Speed

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Hey dudes,
so today i got myself some Base amphetamine and is looks VERY similar to.
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http://www.thegooddrugsguide.com/files/images/a_base.jpg

And i have discovered that it is hard to snort...but only other easy way was to swallow it. But that method doesnt get you that high....how would i be able to smoke this?
and what would an appropriate dosage?
 
Weird looking stuff, why is it hard to snort? It seems like you could just cut it up with a razor.

Smoking speed is quite addictive and rushy, it might not be the best method for using it if you're still planning on using it to study. I'd recomend plugging it. The dose is 1/4-1/5 of the dose you'd use orally, it's less bad for you then smoking and less unpleasent then snorting (I hate snorting, it hurts and clogs up my nose, I only do it when I have to). Also plugged amphetamine is more enjoyable then any other method except perhaps the initial rush from smoked or IV in my opinion. All in all I think the high from rectal speed is better then the high from smoked or shot because there's less of a crash, it lasts longer and it doesn neccesarily make you (me in this case) redose over and over. But that's really a matter of opinion.

To plug it you just get a syringe without a needle (can be bought at most any pharmacy, sometimes they're even free). I use a 1 cc syringe because they're small and hold enough liquid for most drugs, they look like this- http://images.allegrocentral.com/12/04/tuberculin-syringe-1cc-without-needle-549250-MEDIUM.jpg
You can also use a dropper like this, they hold more liquid and some people prefer how they feel, it's all a matter of preference really- http://www.quickgrow.com/images_shop/38920_eye_dropper.jpg
Then you just prep up a solution with water as if you were going to inject it, suck it into the rig (no need to filter), rub some canola oil or lube on the rig if you need to and plug away (there are guides on how to do it on here).

That's how I'd do it. It lasts for about 5 hours, comes up within 30 minutes usually and I find that it has a better feel then other methods. The problem with smoking is you often just smoke and smoke and smoke, so it'd be hard to study (for me at least) using this method because I'd always be either rushing from my last hit or going back to the pipe for my next one.

If you do decide on smoking it, there's a few ways to go about it. The "traditional" way to smoke speed is using a home made lightbulb vaporizer or a meth pipe. Meth pipes can be bought at most headshops (at least where I live), they look like this- http://www.tpub.com/maa/12740_files/image130.jpg
The headshops where I live sell them as "eucalyptus vaporizers", so that's what you should ask for if buying one. They're cheap too.

Lightbulb vaporizers have to be made, there's a lot of instructions on how to do so available online. The one thing to make sure of is that the bulb is completly clear before you use it. Once you cut the top off you should put salt inside and shake the salt around really well, this should remove most of the opaque stuff in there. Then you throw the salt away and I used to always follow that up with a soap and water wash followed by a straight water rinse.

An appropriate dose is hard to say because your product is impure. If the amphetamine was 100% pure then a good smoked dose to start at would be 5-15 mg. I'm not sure about the BA of amphetamine, but meth is as follows- 62.7% orally, 79% nasally, 99% rectally and 100%IV (of course).

Another thing- oral amphetamine is quite fun and much better then smoked amphetamine for purposes of studying. Smoked speed gives a very strong rush that quickly subsides, leaving a big blank space in the high (which is generally why it makes you use over and over, to get the rush to last the whole night). Oral Amphetamine is less rushy but a much smoother, long lasting high. Ultimatly though I think your best bet is plugging it. Maybe 15 mg to start, then wait for an hour and 15 minutes and see if you could use more and then do a booster of 5 or 10 mg. If it was pure I'd say just plug 7 mg and you'll be good for studying, but it's very hard to determine the proper dosage of street drugs.
 
well, i got quite a bit. and i have a big dance party (rave) to go to, so this is for the purpose of jst getting high and staying up / dancing all night along with some e, but also have some left aside to go study. but would 40-50mg be good to take rectally? for this purpose?
 
I'd say 40 or 50 mg would be way too much, especially if you're also going to be rolling. I've never had street amphetamine (it's very rare in the US, meth is popular here and prescription stims are quite easy to get usually). With mixed amphetamine salts (adderall) I plug 5 mg to get threshold effects if I just need to be pepped up and stuff, I take 10-15 mg to tweak my ass off. But I have a tolerance (not a huge one, but an existing one), so you'd probably want a bit of a smaller dose. When I first started using amphetamine then 30 or 40 mg orally was enough to get me very high, which would be about 8-10 mg rectally.

The BA of plugged amphetamine is 99% versus the oral BA which is I think around 20-30% (I'm not sure, I'm saying this based on my experience and what I've read about it in the past). So take about 1/4 of an oral dose to get the same effects. Again, I have literally no experience with street amphetamine. If your stuff is 50% pure and you want to be quite high, then you should start with 25-20 mg plugged I'd say. Just to be safe I'd recomend starting with 20 mg and seeing how you feel. Since you'll also be rolling you shouldn't do a full dose of the speed or else things might get uncomfortable (too much stimulation sucks and is really rough on the body and the crash is miserable).

I've also never mixed amphetamine with MDMA, so I'm not sure about the proper dose for doing so. Why can't you snort it by the way? The benifet of snorting is that it hits you quicker then plugged so you can adjust your dose with more ease.

Also, after plugging you should lay face down for 10-20 minutes (just chill and read or watch tv or something, I'm not sure how you could lay down like that at a rave though) to get everything absorbed pretty well. Also your bowels shouldn't be full or the absorbtion will be fucked up.
 
I just read that the oral dextroamphetamine BA is around 75%, so you should adjust dosage according to that. In my experience 10-20 mg rectally is enough for a very good time, but that's with mixed amphetamines, I've never plugged only dextroamphetamine, only taken it orally and nasally.
 
Street amphetamine is usually about 10-15% pure, you should really do pharms instead. I'm not really sure of the answer.

Also, look what I found! http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=197113

Ignore what he says about plugging though, don't use a gelcap and plugged amphetamine doesn't burn at all in my experience using pharmaceutical amphetamines. Use an enema instead of a gelcap, it's a much better method- it's less uncomfortable, works better, and is generally easier in every way. According to that thread though, rectal amphetamine is about twice as strong as oral, so I'd say you should adjust your dose based on that. I know very little about street amphetamine, my knowledge is based primarily on adderall.
 
Plugs are 1/4 or 1/5 of the usual dosages? Are you sure? That seems like an awful little, maybe half but surely not that low, right?
 
hmm well, i was thinking of smoking it from a spoon, but foil does seem alot easier, though i will try plugging it on the day...plugging does seem like a better option, health wise..but im not sure if im comfortable doing it, though i will try it just for experimenting. thanks everyone! Esp psychomimetic you helped so much and let me gain a bunch of knowledge, thank you!
 
I find homemade light bulb pipes are better than glass dick pipes.

They hold more product, are bigger so you can spread and roll it easier to lessen your chances of burning, easy to see what your doing in the bowl and best of all they hold more vapor.
 
how much do you have? grams? i'd snort a few lines to test out the potency. then decide if it's worth smoking or plugging the rest. you definitely get better better BA these ways over snorting..

if it's shitty/average, smoking is definitely the way to go with this stuff - you'll burn off the cuts and be smoking the pure speed - so less side effects this way

for weak stuff i'd go with 50-100mg. work your way up

-G
 
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hmm well, i was thinking of smoking it from a spoon, but foil does seem alot easier, though i will try plugging it on the day...plugging does seem like a better option, health wise..but im not sure if im comfortable doing it, though i will try it just for experimenting. thanks everyone! Esp psychomimetic you helped so much and let me gain a bunch of knowledge, thank you!

Plugging sounds like it'd be uncomfortable, but it really isn't, especially if the rig has oil or lubricant of some kind on it. It doesn't hurt. As I think is written in one of the pluggin threads on here- a syringe is smaller then shit and water is softer then shit, if you can defecate without discomfort then you can plug something without it.

If you're smoking it a glass dick or a lightbulb are the way to go. Glass dicks can be bought pretty easily for under 10 dollars, under 5 dollars in some areas. If you use other drugs, they work great for those too. I have one that I've used for hash, marijuana (good for when I'm running out, although you end up sucking all the ash into your mouth), DMT and heroin. Have fun and be safe!
 
the thing is it depends on the quality/type of product you're working with...

of course the P2P lab-made shit is effective snorted, plugged, IV, oral etc

other types can be less perfect in that they aren't synthed as well, so smoking yields the highest yield/quality experience... also sometimes it 's good stuff, but it doesn't have the consistency that make other routes preferable to smoking or IV

maybe a chemist could explain this more thoroughly. it's just my experience. i've never IV or IMd anything, but those are based on what i hear. the other routes are used regularly by acquaintances and myself (smoking, snorting, oral, plugging)

it comes down to consistency & experience. you'll get the hang of it

but yea, personally, i'd start with smoking it

i know this is a harm reduction forum, but really who is to say, for example, eating or plugging cut speed is safer than smoking it? just please use caution with doses - start low (threshold) and work your way up..

mainy i have experience with p2p crystal meth - my first dose was between 10-15mg (vaporized) in a glass pipe. it was just right and would have me going for about 4-5hrs. very mellow high. then redose once or twice after that for the day.. that was it

if you have any other questions while working through this, feel free to pm me or anyone else who may chime in about usage. i for one consider myself to be a responsible user who always starts with basic techniques/info when trying new things

have fun

-G
 
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Depends if it is methamphetamine or amphetamine sulphlate, if you are in South East Asia, Australia, New Zealand, USA or Canada then I would suggest you probably have meth. If you are in Europe it is likely amphetamine sulphlate. Can't really comment on Africa, South America or the middle east but any way.

Methamphetamine will smoke where amphetamine sulphlate will not. A good dose depends on purity of the gear and your tolerance. I am guessing the fact you are asking means you are not very tolerant but I am also assuming that as it was sold as 'speed' and not 'ice' or 'crystal meth' that is relatively impure.

You need a methpipe, if you cannot obtain one it is possible to look up a guide to make one using a lightbulb. Please do not try smoke it like you would tobacco or cannabis as this is EXTREMELY wasteful.

I would guess if it is difficult to snort it is a bit damp, and this means it probably will fuck up your pipe a little bit by the time you get through it but doesn't neccessarily mean it will be impossible to smoke. Although meth is generally smokable, if it has shit cutters there is a chance it wont smoke.

It is always best to smoke it with someone experienced so they can show you proper technique. I guess my best advice is use as little heat as possible so you don't burn your gear and inhale as slowly and lightly as possible to get the biggest hit.

It is hard to reccomend a dose, but smokin meth hits very quick anyway, so I would say smoke until you feel like you need to stop. To be on the safe side maybe try smoking a point (100mg) and waiting 10 minutes to see how you feel, depending how fucked you are smoke another 50-100mg and wait another 10 to see how this affects you. Honestly unless it was very cheap if you have no tolerance and it takes much more than 250mg of this stuff to get you completely flying you need to find a new source.

Note: that dosage is based on the assumption it was purchased as 'speed' and bears some resemblance to the pic you posted. If it is actually high purity methamphetamine AKA ice then you should not even need 100mg.
 
I'm guessing that he's in the UK (Speed = Amphetamine here) but I've never seen Phet that colour before :$
There's a thread in the EADD section called WARNING - Silly strong speed UK but I don't know what colour it is / was (or if it's still around) but that thread might be worth a check.
Also, if you did get it in the UK then maybe put a post in EADD asking if anyone's come across stuff like this.
 
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