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Smoking - Have your say

Macksta, fully undesrtand what you are saying and that applies to many situations, but we are talking about (well I was anyway) about people employed in clubs and pubs. Unless you live under a rock you are well aware that this is a smoke filled enviroment, and assuming you were of sound mind you would have accepted this fact when you took the job - otherwise it should have been declined?

If the establishment has a smoke free eniviroment and then it allows people to smoke in it, then you have a breach of contract. I think then you have a case of an employer putting your life at risk.

I know the above might sound harsh, but people always have a choice - a smoke filled workplace would be pretty obvious to any person, therefore you must take the responsibility of working there in the first place..
 
i'm going to reply to this in a couple of posts because there are a couple of major issues i want to discuss - the first one being the right to sue an employer....

The big catch cry of today is "passive smoking kills too", we see court cases where waitresses sue their employers because they get lung cancer from working in a smokey environment. In my opinion that's the biggest load of bullshit ever and I cannot believe these people actually win their cases - if you're working in a bar, club or hotel you have made the conscious decision to work in that environment and it's absolutely disgusting to turn around years later and sue your employer - nobody forced you to work there.
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okay kitty - i realise this is something you obviously feel strongly about so please don't take what i'm going to say personally.....

first of all, the notion of "choice" is problematic. in today's society (and i'm referring mainly to australia here but other places too) jobs can be hard to get especially if you don't have much education. the idea that someone is able to choose where he or she works must also take into account that a person may have had difficulty finding a job and NEEDS to keep their job, ie. can't afford not to have a job. the person may not have made a "conscious decision" to work at a certain place - it may have been the only work they could get. usually these kind of people who have "no choice" come from lower socio-economic backgrounds. in my opinion these are the members of our society who require assistance the most - in terms of financial assistance but maybe also someone to stand up for their rights because they either a) are unaware they have them or b) lack the ability to make/have themselves heard.

so does that mean people who can "choose" shouldn't be able to sue?
no - like macksta said, it's every employers duty to provide a safe workplace for their employees no matter what. i also think that working in a pub differs from some of the other occupations mentioned. being an air hostess carries with it the inherent risk that a plane MIGHT crash and being and being a lifeguard carries with it the inherent risk that rough conditions or natural phenomenon might result in injury or death. and a taxi driver would sue the other person in the accident, not their employer.

basically we're getting into the area of negligence here. employers owe their employees a duty of care to provide safe working environments. it must be asked what can an employer do to minimise the risk of exposing their employees to danger. an airline would be liable for a plane accident IF that accident was caused by faulty work on the plane. a lifeguard company or whatever it is would be liable if death or injury occurred due to some negligence on their behalf. it follows that a pub owner is liable for injury caused to his or her employees due to some action or failure to act. as in this case, this could be failing to provide a smoke-free work zone.....

okay, this is long - my final point is that when someone accepts a position in employment it does not automatically follow that they consent to absolving their employer from all liablity for physical injury and legal consequences (this is known as volenti non fit injuria in law). it is VERY difficult to prove that even tho an employee was aware of the physical risk of something they were required to do in employment but continued to do it, it does not mean they agreed to take on all the legal consequences.

okay, i'm going to have dinner - i will reply to some of the other comments later,
bk:)
 
Ok i smoke ALOT :( I don't want to be a smoker but i am...i started when i was fourteen to joing into a group because i was unpopular and miserable at school and my body got addicted to it.

I also like to smoke...its enjoyable like backo said with the connections...for me the best smokes are with a drink, the first one of the morning, after a big meal and on pills :\

I think i should be able to smoke outside (but away from non-smokers) like i've said in teh other smoking thread...i always ask if anyone minds and always move away if they do or just don't light up.

I hate how much money it costs me...i could have my own car by now *sigh*

I know it's bad for me but it calms me down when i'm stressed and it's also a habbit thing and a bored thing to do really 8(

I really should try and do something else i guess....i have tried to quit many many many times but i seem to just succumb to that 'one last pack' and on and on it goes

I think the worst part of quitting will be when i go out

I hate that i can't quit...i have been through so much shit in my life and am a very strong person so why the fuck can't i quit smoking?

I want to quit because i love to dance but can't do it for too long because i can't breathe

I want to quit so i can exercise more without feeling so puffed.

I want to quit so i have more money.

I want to quit because it is causeing me so much damage that it is quite scary (but i still smoke)

I espeacially want to quit when my son says "mummy you will die if you don't stop smoking" :( This just breaks my heart and it kills me that i havn't done it...i mean i would die for him but i can't quit smoking...wtf is that?? what's wrong with me? :X

I will however quit

soon 8)
 
Many people have reported a single trip on salvia divinorum having a huge impact on them quiting smokers. I haven't yet tried salvia myself however maybe it shows users some truths or inhibits addictive behaviour? I'm not sure.

Also smoking passionflower or damiana is a good way to get off baci.

peace
 
oh yeah i like to also smoke after i have sex ;)

and after i've gone to the gym :\ *tries to figure that one out*
 
doofqueen said:
and after i've gone to the gym :\ *tries to figure that one out*
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I do this too!!! it's crazy huh, but i go to the gym, work out then go for showers then pilates then the second I step outside I light up.
 
villz said:
I have one word to describe myself when it comes to smoking cigarettes.... hypocrite. 90% of the time i fucken hate the stuff, it gives me a headache, irritates my lungs, makes my clothes smell like shit in nightclubs and just generally pisses me off. Having said that, gimme a pill or some amps and watch me chugg them down like there's no tomorrow. Also, my hate for the brown tobacco is matched only by my love of the green ganga.... figure that one out?!?!
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haha im the same, when I'm sober, ill bitch and bitch about smoking, yet a pill or a few beers later, and its the pot calling the kettle black.

smoking while sober absolutley repulses me.
 
Im a non-smoker and always have been, i cant stand the smell of cigarettes. stale tobacco on your clothes, in the car, in the house the stench lingers and I cant understand why people insist on smoking when you dont even cop a buzz from it. I also find it an extreme turn off in females. I can be physically attracted to a female but when i see her puffing on smoke im immediately turned off. Is probably my number one turn off. I remember what its like kissing a smoker as a non-smoker I might as well lick an ash-tray as a warm up. The strange thing is that im so against cigarette smoking but I smoked Marijuana every morning, noon or night for about 3 1/2 years, I still smoke Salvia, meth and N,N DMT today. And crack if it was available. Walking contradiction.
 
Would you:

a) Work or live in an environment where you were consistantly exposed to airborne asbestos fibres?

b) the same with high levels of ambient radiation or eat food contaminated with small ammounts of a source like plutonium?

c) Other chemicals like dioxins or chlorine gas?

d) Take no precautions to avoid exposure to pathogenic viruses/bacteria?

Avoiding all of these factors are a way to mitigate unnecesary risks to ones health, and your average joe would probably regard tolerating any of these on a regular basis with a sense of intense and justified fear. However smoking while perhaps statistically carring a much higher risk of causing harm than most of these examples, yet does not carry any where near the same aversion. SARS has a mortality rate somewhere between the level of 4-10% and has predicated relatively few actual deaths internationally, yet the whole freaking world is panicked, dressed in masks and states are freaking out trying to implement public heath solutions. What gives? People who smoke (and I count my self amongst them occasionally) always refer to the fact that they are aware of the risks... But are they? Is it not a total breach of reason to not appreciate said risks and therefore fear ciggarette smoking, especially when one would typicaly fear some of the examples I gave? Is the smoking 'acceptable risk' merely a sense of say... DENIAL?
 
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cigarettes will kill you

personally, i see smoking as a very bad thing. i don't really know why i started doing it. i know that it kills, and if not that, it does lower your fitness and make you feel bad. in effect it is a form of poisoning yourself. but the main reason i do it i think is through boredom right now. i can go the entire day at work without smoking, and i have on many occaions gone for an allocated peroid of time without having a cigarette (for a week or so) but i seem to come back to it... and i guess its most likely the addiction factor.

i am not happy with myself for smoking. i want to stop. i have had nasty nightmares about coughing up blood and this lady with cancer giving me cigarettes, its not good.

it also makes you look older than what you really are.

most people i know who smoke want to quit, they know its bad for them. but having a cigarette after a few drinks feels so good! :) i mean, amazing!!! :D

anyhoo, i think when i get nervous and a bit edgey, it helps to smoke so i can at least be doing something rather than sitting around doing nothing and becoming more paranoid or whatever. its something to do...

when i get back to melbourne, i will make a concerted effort to quit. i promise.

Cohaa.
 
Long smoking rant

I'm one of those annoying reformed smokers everyone hates :p I quit smoking.. well.. about 9 months ago, and it's been a very odd road to staying quit.

I can't stand the smell - it's disgusting, it makes me want to throw up and I can't believe I ever happily walked around smelling like that, good Lord. I also hate the way it looks - to me it looks dirty, sleazy, unhealthy and revolting, and I hate that I ever looked like that. These are things I would never, ever have thought of or noticed when I was a smoker.

I smoked for about 4 years, mostly a pack a day of 12mg or 16mg, which is quite a lot. I was definitely addicted to the nicotine as well as being addicted to the motions of smoking. If I didn't have a cigarette for an extended period of time (say.. 6 or 8 hours) I got the shakes and started feeling really nervous. If I went to the pub and had no smokes, I was agitated and didn't have a good time. It was sucky. In retrospect, my life revolved around.. well, it sounds very opiate-addict of me, but my life revolved around where my next cigarette was coming from.

I used to steal money from my parents to buy smokes, or make up stories about why I needed money, so I could buy smokes. I started to entertain the thought that I'd be more likely to break into a car to steal cigarettes than money to buy cigarettes. I was going without food because I couldn't afford food and my cancer sticks.

I've always hated my ex-boyfriend for introducing me to smoking. I'm not saying it was his fault that I kept smoking, but me having my first cigarette certainly had a lot to do with him (and him constantly hassling me to "just have a drag"). If I could go back and change that, I would. I wish I'd never lit up to begin with.

Quitting was a really strange experience for me. I always used cigarettes as a kind of security blanket, because they promoted proper deep and slow breathing, so they relaxed me. I always stressed about how I'd go about quitting without having panic attacks all the time, and was convinced I couldn't do it. Then one day, despite having a few cigarettes in the cupboard, I just didn't have any. When it got to the end of the day I thought "hm. I didn't smoke today. Weird." and from then, I just didn't smoke anymore. It was an incredible mind over matter experience for me - I could tell myself I didn't want to smoke and I actually listened.

That said, I'd classify myself as a "smoker who doesn't smoke". I still have the smoker mindset at times. I still sometimes think I'd like a smoke in the morning when I get up, or after sex, or after a big meal. Sometimes I have really erotic dreams about smoking, and when I wake up I'll crave a smoke for the whole day.

I don't think I'll start smoking again though. It really is a disgusting habit and not one I'd like to start again after quitting for so long. I am sure, though, that if I hadn't had such a good reason to quit, I'd still be smoking, despite how much I've always wanted to quit. It's nasty like that.
 
-Thoth said:
Would you:

a) Work or live in an environment where you were consistantly exposed to airborne asbestos fibres?

b) the same with high levels of ambient radiation or eat food contaminated with small ammounts of a source like plutonium?

c) Other chemicals like dioxins or chlorine gas?

d) Take no precautions to avoid exposure to pathogenic viruses/bacteria?

Avoiding all of these factors are a way to mitigate unnecesary risks to ones health, and your average joe would probably regard tolerating any of these on a regular basis with a sense of intense and justified fear. However smoking while perhaps statistically carring a much higher risk of causing harm than most of these examples, yet does not carry any where near the same aversion. SARS has a mortality rate somewhere between the level of 4-10% and has predicated relatively few actual deaths internationally, yet the whole freaking world is panicked, dressed in masks and states are freaking out trying to implement public heath solutions. What gives? People who smoke (and I count my self amongst them occasionally) always refer to the fact that they are aware of the risks... But are they? Is it not a total breach of reason to not appreciate said risks and therefore fear ciggarette smoking, especially when one would typicaly fear some of the examples I gave? Is the smoking 'acceptable risk' merely a sense of say... DENIAL?
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WHORD! excellent post :) Something i strongly believe is that as you suggested, most smokers aren't fully aware of the risks. What smoker is going to fully investigate the damage being done to them for the amount they smoke. How many smokers want to know how bad it is for them, they have to repress it if they do anyway, otherwise where is the fun?
 
Or is it that smokers are not only in denial but also have the mindset of niavity? For many years I knew the risks - sure I might not have known the deep ins and outs but I knew it killed - but continued smoking because:

a. I was still young and hadn't reached the age bracket that I considered to be a risk - from 30 and up....

b. It wouldn't happen to me...I felt ok so I must be ok?

It wasn't until my dad was diagnosed with black spots in his lungs due to smoking that it became a reality - I always kenw this could happen as a consequence of smoking, but never thought it would happen to me or anyone I knew. It then became and still is a very concrete reality to me...
 
I agree with Kitty, people who go and seek employment at clubs and pubs and things like that are full aware of the fact that it is a smoking enviroment, yet they still choose to work there for what ever reason, what gives them the right to turn around and sue their employer when they get lung cancer years down the track, that is just plain bloody stupid.

I love smoking, I have been smoking, well ever since I can remember I use to steal ciggies off my parents when I was like 8, mind you I didn't know what inhaling was, but hey at 8 who did...hehehehe.

My s/o has asked me to give up numerous amount of times, but really I just enjoy smoking to much, and I am not prepared to give it up just yet, when I feel ready I will, not because of anyone else.

My 2 cents worth!!!! :D
 
I think smokers just think their invinsible and don't really think that it ill cause them harm. The whole "it won't happen to me thing"
 
I don't mind smokers it is their choice.
But i can't handle people smoking around me when i am eating!:X

But other than that enjoy.
I have been known to enjoy one when i am off my head yes i am one of those annoying social smokers.
but if i smoke when sober it is disgusting to me, but pissed or peaking i can't get enough.:\
 
never smoked a ciggie, hopefully never will. havent even had a puff on one. im sooo good. but i dont care if others smoke. no tobacco has activly gone into my lungs.
 
My boyfriend once asked me what i would do if I had to choose between him and smoking.

*shrugs*

He's not that great.
 
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