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Smoking Codeine phosphate/freebase

Xherrus

Xherrus

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Hi everyone,

Has anyone tried smoking Codeine phosphate? I was skeptical upon first hearing about it, but I refer you to this discussion: *

I assumed from what I'd heard that Codeine is best smoked as freebase but smoking phosphate is supposedly "good enough not to bother getting the chemistry set out at all."

I usually use 400mg when dosing orally and it's fucking sick shit. From the aforementioned discussion it sounds like smoked phosphate has a shorter duration, but less is required to get shit-faced... "[smoking] 60mg was *plenty*... 30-45mg worked fine too."

Has anyone tried smoking one or both forms? Any advice on this is tremendously appreciated. I love Codeine so much!!!! =D =D =D


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I don't know anything about smoking codeine but unfortunately I've had to remove your link, as the site is an online supplier. Our rules are strict about such things.
 
Sorry I didn't realise that... I included the relevant quotations anyway so doesn't matter
 
Well with the N+ pills, the N+ side contains codeine + binders. I don't know if you want to smoke binders.

I'm quite interested now, I can't get hold of opiates. So I usually buy a pack of N+, and down 450mg (36 tablets)... but I enjoy smoking stuff :P
 
I'd imagine that smoking codeine would present all the dangers that shooting codeine does.
Without first pass metabolism isn't this drug inherently toxic?
Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Codeine toxic when injected/smoked? I've never heard anything about it - where did you hear that? I 've heard about medical ampules used for SC injection, I had no idea there was any risk involved.

As for smoking binders - what manner of binders are these, and would they be ok to smoke, considering you're only smoking 4-5 tablets' worth? I assume the people who were discussing the smoking of phosphate would have had tablets with some sort of binders...
 
got me interested here too.
someone must know something about this. Phase_Dancer??? Big Trancer???? Anybody


Beech out
 
The danger is in the fact that codeine will provoke a histamine response, you'll feel like you're having an allergic reaction.
Fluid in the lungs can result, and then you may find yourself saying goodbye to this cruel world in a rather unpleasant way.
I've actually IV'd codeine in my younger, dumber years, and was lucky enough to not get a strong reaction, but yeah, I consider myself lucky.
I would think that smoking it would be just as dangerous were you to get any serious amount of it into you.
Codeine is converted into morphine during it's first pass through the liver, avoiding the severe histamine response, which is why you should only take codeine orally
 
makes sense steve.
Never thought of it like that but yeah i guess its no big deal, codeine in terms of chomping down Nurofen Plus tabs hasn't really done anything great for me and i'm not really game or sure if i want to push into the world of opiates.



Beech out
 
^ You'd be safer to smoke or shoot some heroin providing you knew the dosage. (not recommending this, just stating a fact).
Codeine is awful stuff. I wouldn't get high on it if I was paid. The fact that it makes you so fucking itchy is a low level histamine response. You don't want to experience a serious reaction.
 
when i've tried it i've never experience the itchiness. I taken fair does of around 20 tablets (cant remember what that was in mg). Dont think i'll venture towards shooting or smoking H, think i will most likely stick to pills, speed and recently tried G which i found good but risky.


beech
 
Hmm well thanks for the info SteveElektro...

I was aware that IVing is dangerous and can possibly lead to facial swelling and other ghastly complications, which is why it's injected IM or subcutaneously (skin-popped). As for Codeine injection for medical purposes? Surely, surely if there were a danger here I would likely have heard of it, unless I have been blatantly ill-informed. :p This site, http://www.codeine.50g.com/info/codeine.html is my primary reference. Please refer me to anywhere you think may be of help in the resolution of this. BTW I'm not arguing with you just to be difficult or to try and undermine your understanding of pharmacology.

Also does anyone know anything about rectal administration? (lol)

"Codeine is awful stuff." Why, never! I can so not get enough of the crazy rushing exhilaration and constant warm-fuzzy euphoria. Coties are my bag, baby - but then I can not fucking stand speed or pills; grotty, ugh. To each his own I guess.
 
Also for those who find they just don't get much out of Codeine at all... I refer you to the Codeine FAQ: "It may take 5 to 20 times before you can appreciate the effects. The effects are subtle like marijuana and it takes some time before you come to recognize them all." Remember the time you ripped your first few cones? I do and it did not do jack shit for me. Based on my experience I would say the same goes for the big C. It's an acquired taste, like granny porn.
 
I personally enjoy the codiene high, and have never encountered the itchies (fingers crossed).

Smoking it would by and large be a waste of time as codiene is damaged by heat.
 
Well said pete_gasparino. Interesting about the slang names too - I think codeine deserves some sort of an endearing name.

"Exhilarating" is the mot juste for the coming up phase of the high IMO - at least if you take a decent dose. The first few times I did it, I too found the leveling-off of the high left something to be desired... but these days it gives me a dopey, warm, animal contentment.

Anyway, regarding the smoking of codeine, I still have no idea what those crazy guys were talking about in their discussion. I shall purchase a glass pipe tomorrow in order to personally verify this. I'll smoke only a few tablets in case it is indeed hazardous.

The fellers in the aforementioned discussion that led me to wonder about all this smoking business did not mention any sort of dangers - then again, maybe that was some sort of a conspiracy.

Here is a link to the recipe for making freebase codeine, if anyone's interested. http://balder.prohosting.com/~adhpage/arc_af/codeine_extraction_poppies_org.txt
I will give it a shot sometime since N+ is a source of pure codeine phosphate (albeit with fillers) which makes the process laughably easy provided I can find some chloroform or DCM. If I can't, would any chem buffs consider a worse solvent good enough to do the job?

More to come on this tomorrow if I don't suffer life-threatening complications from the bioassay.
 
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Good question.. I just ripped some information off the supplied website:

http://www.codeine.50g.com/info/codeine.html
Codeine can be administered orally (PO), subcutaneously (SC), intramuscularly (IM) and rectally (PR). Rectal administration is considered as more efficient than oral (up to 125%).

Codeine cannot be safely administered by an intravenous (IV) injection as it may result in pulmonary oedema, facial swelling, dangerous release of histamines, and various cardiovascular effects. It cannot be administered intranasally (snorting).
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Stating the obvious (its nice to get it out in the open) - you can eat it, put it under your skin, inject it into the muscle and plug it... However if you inject it into the blood or rail it - it can be dangerous...

I guess in laymans terms the question is: Does smoking codeine affect you by the same method as injecting it into the muscle or putting it under the skin - or does it affect you by the same method as injecting it into the blood or snorting it..

Erowid
The LD50 (lethal dose for %50) is 800mg in the average person. Death from codeine, unlike most opiates, includes restlessness, seizures and eventually death from respiratory arrest. Some sources indicate that the lower-end LD50 may be around 500mg, so doses above 450mg are in the red zone.
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I've done a lot of looking around and I cannot find anything concerning with smoking it...
 
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Codeine is in effect just a shitty way of getting morphine into ones body, as that's where all the good effects come from.
Don't fool yourself into thinking it's somehow 'less junky' or some such other crap that I've heard from kOoL rAvAh's.
If you can get morphine instead, do it. You'll thank me afterwards.
....And as far as I know, Sub-c injection and rectal admin is only safer because your body has time to adjust to it. Getting a high amount of codeine into oneself in little time, and bypassing the first liver pass to do so, will remnain inherently dangerous.
Smoking is the closest to IV'ing in terms of speed into the body. If you manage to smoke a shitlaod, don't be surprised when your face puffs up or worse.
 
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