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So the last two times i've smoked mj after rolling have been almost as fun as the roll itself with fairly vivid hallucinations and introspective thoughts and I was wondering if anyone has shared similar experiences before. I'm very interested in hearing what people have to say about my experiences...
The first time was incidentally the first time I'd rolled (100mg cap of good mdma) and after an incredible roll I went to a park near my house with my best mate, had a few cones and shared some wicked visions. I've been told that what we experienced was a mutual hallucination, essentially what was happening was that we were seeing clearly defined images in the night sky with clouds and stars combing in a real funky way. Its hard to explain the experience but we were lying there explaining to each other that we were seeing exactly the same thing. We were in a state of total bliss just looking at images form from nothing, we both loved it.

The second time i smoked after rolling was a bit more intense which im guessing was because of the dosage. I ate 2 100mg pills of fairly high quality MDMA within about 2 hours of each other and had the time of my life, I was in a state of complete euphoria which lasted a good 4 hours. Anyway on the comedown I smoked quite a bit of MJ and had some pretty wicked visions.

Anyway, I just thought I'd share some of my experiences and see if anyone has shared anything similar or has anything to say about my experience :)
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Yep, that's something pretty common when you smoke weed on the MDMA comedown. It usually happens at very high doses for most people (+200mg) but I am an exception to that. I always hallucinate when I dose higher than lets say 100mg and smoke weed on the comedown. On the other hand I know people that dose high and smoke weed every time they roll and that have never hallucinated. So it differs between people. The hallucinations can be pretty intense and vivid. I described some of them in another thread, let me see if I can find it...

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BlueBull said:
Yeah that's pretty common. I for one am very susceptible to this. I always hallucinate when dosing +150mg. This only happens when I smoke weed combined with the MDMA though, it seems to GREATLY amplify these effects. I have to say though I enjoy the hallucinations very much as I've gotten used to them. The state of confusion you are referring to I always have too, when I'm starting to come down for about 30mins to 1h I can't grasp even the simplest of concepts. My hallucinations are a bit more intense than yours I think from reading your description. On par with a nice dose of acid. So yeah there are people that react the same and more intense even. My friends are always jealous of me when this happens (almost every time) because they see I'm enjoying myself very much and they have never experienced this on MDMA =D

Examples: Leaves of trees forming tiny hand and waving at me. Everything around me drawn in crayons. Walls melting. Water flowing down the walls. Indeed people I don't know looking like people I know. All girls turned to angels (got me laid that hallucination =D they thought I was complimenting them but to me they really looked like angels, complete with wings and halos). Sound of the crowd sounding like a jumbo jet taking off. Lasers burning holes in everyting they touch. Awesome facial tattoos being drawn on all peoples faces and then erased in the same order. People around me all have monster faces. A tree with a mouth that talked to me. Dwarfs running around in high grass (almost no grass there in reality they told me). Dirt on the ground growing legs and turning to insects that swarm over the ground. Bats coming out of the speakers at a show. Everyone around me has luminescent glasses on (this is a common hallucination on MDMA, heard it before multiple times). The DJ floating up to the ceiling and back down right next to me. Circle of light around me and everything outside that circle pitch black and not visible anymore. Soccerballs flying through the air and forming a tornado of soccer balls. A weird golden chariot without horses driving over the heads of the crowd. And so on...
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What I'm wondering is what the cause of those hallucinations is. There are theories that a part of ingested MDMA is metabolized to MDA and so that causes the hallucinations. But I do not believe in this as I get hallucinations from only 100mg of MDMA and because weed triggers it or at least amplifies it greatly...
 
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BlueBull said:
What I'm wondering is what the cause of those hallucinations is. There are theories that a part of ingested MDMA is metabolized to MDA and so that causes the hallucinations. But I do not believe in this as I get hallucinations from only 100mg of MDMA and because weed triggers it or at least amplifies it greatly...
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The hallucinations are more likely caused by 5-HT2 activation (like LSD/shrooms), because MDMA causes activation of 5-HT2.
 
What's funny is I can't get high on the comedown of my rolls. I usually try to smoke to calm me down on my comedown and I can smoke all night and it barely helps. I'm also a daily cannabis smoker so that might have something to do with it
 
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Well I never smoke weed except after a roll. The experiences can be very different.
A few years ago there was a thunder storm and I had to go downstairs to reset the electricity.
The journey took several lifetimes I'm sure. I took a huge effort of will and I kept forgetting what I supposed to be doing.
The progress across the dark dining room and living room to the electricity panel was immensely slow. Every time I took a step my mind trogged off and I was involved in my own history and past and a whole series of other lives. I finally made it back upstairs and crawled into the bed.
Alas the beautiful high I had, seemed to have evaporated. The rest of the joint had fallen on the floor and I couldn't find it.
The electricity tripped twice again after that but the voyage was not sensational.
 
JWills20 said:
The hallucinations are more likely caused by 5-HT2 activation (like LSD/shrooms), because MDMA causes activation of 5-HT2.
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That's very interesting... Is there any research or paper written on this? I have looked around a bit and found that indeed there are theories that the psychedelic effect of MDMA is linked to 5-HT2 agitation. I found an article proposing a correlation between the two but I can't find the full text and from what I did find I don't know if any real research was done on this (pubmed link without contents and erowid link with an abstract). Would be interesting to know what rate MDMA agitates 5-HT2 as compared to for instance LSD. That way you could extrapolate an MDMA dose range at which hallucinogenic effect are likely to start occurring.

What gives this theory more credibility is the fact that smoking weed seems to amplify these hallucinogenic effects. And weed is also a partial 5-HT2 agonist so high doses would cause noticeable extra 5-HT2 activation on top of the MDMA...
 
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I do this quite regularly, last time I did this was in a club just over a week ago. Started the night with ~150mg 4-FA, took ~100mg MDMA when the 4 started peaking and smoked quite a bit when the MDMA was slowly starting to wear off. Was amazing. I felt like I was in some sort of dreamstate, closing my eyes resulted in very complex blue/ green patterning/ fractals even, which danced around as the light in the room changed. Eyes open gave me all sorts of classic MDMA hallucinations (beards, hats, tables, glasses, you name it) and when I walked out around 9 in the morning and looked at the clouds they started morphing too, in a similar way they always do for me when I'm on 2c-b
 
It sure does. Even the next day smoking can bring the magic back. I find it hard to enjoy most drugs without marijuana, especially with drugs like MDMA or Cocaine. I need to have something to mellow me out otherwise the experience just seems incomplete
 
Everytime I take MDMA, I have to have either Weed or LSD with me.
Only MDMA on itself is only going to dissapoint me. I don't know why...

But if I smoke at least Weed on my roll, I have that mind-blowing ecstasy every time <3

So, it's one of my favourite combos
 
In most cases I smoke weed during the whole roll (come up, peak, come down) and it is FANTASTIC!! But, getting regular random u/a's I just stick to the good old classic roll nowadays. The only difference I notice is the roll doesn't last as long on the come down as to when I used to blaze. When I'd smoke weed on the come down it kicked up that after glow effect to more of a peak type effect, which was always pretty kick ass (who can complain with an extended roll period!?).
 
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