Misc Smartest of the smarts

[Wilso]

After trail and experimental use of drugs such as piracetam, pramiracetam, noopept and phenibut aswell as supplements such as ginkgo, dmae and others, i'm really curious as to what is the best of the brain enhancing drugs?
The smartest of the smart drugs, is something i have been trying to locate for some time, not necessarily for use other than experimentally. I would just really like to know what is the 'top dog' and if there really are any drugs that can make someones brain, for lack of better words, 'better'.
I am curious, could a drug positively enhance neuroplasticity or simply make you that bit faster when it comes to cognition.
I felt that all of the drugs stated above to be lacking, and perhaps this is due to comparisons of different drugs, but i'm sure there must be something better.
Please answer fully, and don't be afraid to write long replies, i'm intrigued as to what you know

 

[sekio]

all the nootropics are placebo at best, eat your green vegetables and get 8 hours of sleep

there is no Limitless-style miracle drug you can take to improve cognition without any side effects. sorry. it doesnt work like that.

 

[Wilso]

all the nootropics are placebo at best, eat your green vegetables and get 8 hours of sleep

there is no Limitless-style miracle drug you can take to improve cognition without any side effects. sorry. it doesnt work like that.

I understand that there are no 'wonder drugs' that wasn't the question and i would disagree with your opinion on nootropics. I have seen results, just not quite to the extent i was looking for

 

[djsim]

Tribbett, Patrick Tribbett prefers the finest solvents... Gold faux spray, shaken, not stirred. A tilt of the mouth into a Parkinsonian grimace ensures balance. A side effect of this balancing grimace is major brain damage. This is a case when we know for certain the egg certainly came before the (golden goos-..., erm) chicken.

Seriously though; define smarter. Faster reflexes, the ability to read volumes of classic literature on meth for weeks straight, or maybe cocaine, as most coke users I know gain the ability to eyeball their stash's purity at 96%, with his guy selling him the gram straight off the kilo.

/sarcasm.

ADD drugs can improve attention. Amantadine and memantine may show promise.
Personally, sleep is they key to learning/intelligence. Anything promoting sleep w/o effecting REM is fine... and no, no sleeping pills work on REM the band anymore after 30 years. Avoid benzos. I'd suggest Quaaludes only because I would love to think they still exist, but Gary Busey no doubt finished off the last stockpiling before damaging his brain sightly in a bike crash... and by slightly, i mean the medical term "clusterfuck"

 

[Wilso]

Brilliant reply, had me laughing hard, but seriously, i would think of smarter, as having the ability to learn something or understand it a bit faster, a noticeable increase in memory, the ability to perfectly rhyme a poem with ease or the ability to speak slightly more fluently. I love drugs that give me more motivation and focus, but it's not what i'm asking about in the situation. Memory is at times an issue for me, weather i have damaged it, or it was poor to start with, ironically I can't remember. But if it was possible to fix this it would be part of the brain enhancing drug that i'm curious about.

 

[Foreigner]

I disagree that nootropics are a placebo. I've noticed real effects from them taken over time, but maybe it has to do with each person's individual constitution. I know studies might say one thing or another but I have to go on my personal experiences. I've also taken nootropics in conjunction with LSD and it changes the nature of the trip in very noticeable ways, so there is for sure something happening. The only downside to them is that I find them quite stimulating so it makes it harder for me to sleep. Selegiline is one I've had to avoid because it prevents dopamine re-uptake and it gives me headaches.

I find that nootropics increase my processing speed and ability to focus, but not necessarily my intelligence levels. As for neuroplasticity, LSD is what I used periodically for that. If I do it once every few months as a heavy dose, my creativity rate and ability to recognize novelity skyrocket. If anything, I would say creativity and novelty are better qualifiers for intelligence than knowing factoids, but it's a subjective area of discussion so I'm open.

The nootropics I've done are piracetam, hydergine, vinpocetine, ginko, choline, taken together with a fatty meal. I also combine them with astragalus, licorice root, cordyceps, red reishi, and shiitake. In eastern medicine, the Qi Gong philosophy understands all of these as "qi lifting" medicines. They take qi from the lower and especially middle aspects of the body (such as digestive energy) and send it upward. People who take these medicines tends have more aura around their head. I can see how they increase insight because they would be third eye medicines.

The only problem is that they can be ungrounding. If you tend to be a space cadet they will make you even more spacey.

 

[Wilso]

I disagree that nootropics are a placebo. I've noticed real effects from them taken over time, but maybe it has to do with each person's individual constitution. I know studies might say one thing or another but I have to go on my personal experiences. I've also taken nootropics in conjunction with LSD and it changes the nature of the trip in very noticeable ways, so there is for sure something happening. The only downside to them is that I find them quite stimulating so it makes it harder for me to sleep. Selegiline is one I've had to avoid because it prevents dopamine re-uptake and it gives me headaches.

I find that nootropics increase my processing speed and ability to focus, but not necessarily my intelligence levels. As for neuroplasticity, LSD is what I used periodically for that. If I do it once every few months as a heavy dose, my creativity rate and ability to recognize novelity skyrocket. If anything, I would say creativity and novelty are better qualifiers for intelligence than knowing factoids, but it's a subjective area of discussion so I'm open.

The nootropics I've done are piracetam, hydergine, vinpocetine, ginko, choline, taken together with a fatty meal. I also combine them with astragalus, licorice root, cordyceps, red reishi, and shiitake. In eastern medicine, the Qi Gong philosophy understands all of these as "qi lifting" medicines. They take qi from the lower and especially middle aspects of the body (such as digestive energy) and send it upward. People who take these medicines tends have more aura around their head. I can see how they increase insight because they would be third eye medicines.

The only problem is that they can be ungrounding. If you tend to be a space cadet they will make you even more spacey.

Thank you for the very insightful reply! Which of these 'piracetam, hydergine, vinpocetine' would you say was most effective? I found definite results with piracteam, but i'm not sure i would call the effects 'smart' and it definitely wasn't what i was really looking for. Also did you notice anything positive from selegiline? Thanks!

 

[Foreigner]

I noticed hydergine and piracetam the most. Hydergine made my thoughts more clear and effortless. Memory recall was faster for sure.

Selegiline increased my alertness levels but I feel like it did that through preventing dopamine re-uptake, and that gave me headaches. It also made it much harder for me to sleep at night. It was overly stimulating.

 

[Wilso]

I noticed hydergine and piracetam the most. Hydergine made my thoughts more clear and effortless. Memory recall was faster for sure.

Selegiline increased my alertness levels but I feel like it did that through preventing dopamine re-uptake, and that gave me headaches. It also made it much harder for me to sleep at night. It was overly stimulating.

Thanks for the insightful posts, most helpful! I'm not looking for some wonder drug, i'm not naive enough to think that anyone would know even if it did exist. I'm just looking to research what supplements and easily obtainable drugs, pack the best mental punch. Please fill me in if anyone has any more info! Thanks

 

[Tinface]

no drugs at all is what has worked best for me. those noorotropics have lots of research behind them saying they help. havent done any tho.

 

[Ektor]

i am so curious of drugs/herbs that inhibit acetylcholinesterase like Galantamine and Huperzine A, i see that general population doesnt even know them that much and if so they dont pay much attention to them. those natural compounds are proved to improve your memory and imagination, boosting power of the visuo-spatial sketchpad, that mental space where one pictures things, aka the eye of the mind.
they also increase the time spent in REM sleep and could easily trigger lucid dreams.
My sixth sense tells me they are pretty valuable drugs, so bad they are extremely difficult to obtain where i live, i will have to order them from the net soon or late.

 

[Wilso]

i am so curious of drugs/herbs that inhibit acetylcholinesterase like Galantamine and Huperzine A, i see that general population doesnt even know them that much and if so they dont pay much attention to them. those natural compounds are proved to improve your memory and imagination, boosting power of the visuo-spatial sketchpad, that mental space where one pictures things, aka the eye of the mind.
they also increase the time spent in REM sleep and could easily trigger lucid dreams.
My sixth sense tells me they are pretty valuable drugs, so bad they are extremely difficult to obtain where i live, i will have to order them from the net soon or late.

Are the two you mentioned, in your opinion the best of the mentioned group?

 

[Ektor]

they are for sure the ones with less side effects with a long history of use because they come from plants, while the others are synthetic and maybe more intense but are said to have a lot more side effects.

 

[velmwend]

Maca root!

 

[RedRum OG]

Drugs can make you feel smarter, or make you feel like you think quicker.

Psychs can open you up to new feelings and new ways of thinking.

Nothing will make you smarter, but many will make you more stupid

 

[FnX]

I have found that proper nutrition is really good for cognition, in my opinion more important than any drug you could possibly take in the long run. Try eating 200g-400g of blueberries and/or black currant every day and see for example how that affects you. Lots of fruit in your diet is really good but make sure you're not 'overdosing' on fructose. Vitamin supplements and amino acids such as glycine are good in this department too.

 

[red22]

Extracts are far superior to fresh berries. Pretty much all of the nutrients are in the skin, which is extremely hard for the body to sufficiently break down. Extracts are also far more economical and readily available (long shelf life vs. extremely short shelf life).

 

[FnX]

Extracts are far superior to fresh berries. Pretty much all of the nutrients are in the skin, which is extremely hard for the body to sufficiently break down. Extracts are also far more economical and readily available (long shelf life vs. extremely short shelf life).

Hmm, I'm not so sure if I believe that extracts are better without proof. Same as with vitamins, I think it's usually better to get them from food sources instead of highly concentrated multi-vitamin pills, but the pills are good too, they're pretty cheap too compared to getting same amount of vitamins from food. But yeah, I think you're right on spot with the nutrients being in the skin which is hard to break down, that's why I consume my berries after vigorous blending in a blender with water only, breaks things up really good for your body to absorb them

 

[blight12]

The only one that made me feel smart was meth. If they could develop some sort of safe mental performance enhancing version of this it would be awesome. You cant deny the creativity and enhanced thought processing and problem solving logic exercises work great as well. Not recommending obviously but the potential needs to be noted. No doubt its there, its just not practical or worth it for obvious reasons.

I dont think the cognitive benefits of the smarts are perceptible or usable really. In my experience with Phenibut at 2g it might have made me feel a fake smart, like with alcohol mistakenly thinking i was the smartest guy ever, but without the perceived intoxication. But it didnt make me smart at all, it made me damn stupid. Almost died twice driving on it and it makes me fiend badly for all my fav drugs, like with alcohol. I cant take it without always ending up getting meth. Good combo though.

Its just an improved version of alcohol in my experience but in that respect it does have great effects, excellent mood enhancer, amazing anti anxiety/confidence booster, music appreciation. But dont let the lack of perceived intoxication or drunkeness fool you. It definitely reduces all those good mental safety nets a lot as with alcohol. Dont drive.

Though im sure my rec doses are not the correct ones for the smarts effect.