Yeah, there's been quite a few occasions where a batch would give histamine reactions. No where near as strong as a morphine shot, but definitely noticeable. I always assumed that whoever made the heroin didn't quite convert all the morphine to diacetylmorphine. When you're having large shots, you're probably going to get enough morph to give you pins and needles. That's just my thoughts on why it happens, it could be that heroin does it on occasion, or there are cutters that produce the same sensation, or it's all in our heads. Sorry, I have no sources, just experience and alcoholism.
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cassandragemini
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Yeah I occasionally get a histamine reaction from heroin, I've found that more often than not if I get a moderate reaction from a batch then it's usually quite good gear. Gear that doesn't give me a reaction can still be just as good but I find if the rush is quite 'prickly' then the gear usually has good legs and I get quite a nice long nod on it.
I've been using on and off again for the last week. I was pretty much clean but it being my birthday recently I convinced myself that having a birthday shot would be ok but of course one shot is never one shot, I always end up using for a few days before my conscience gets the better of me and I lay off again. Fool. I'm starting to consider if going back on a low dose of bupe might be the best thing for me to do, staying clean is proving to be much more difficult than I had hoped it would be, I really don't want to go back on maintainence but I think it might be the lesser of two evils. Either that or go back to nz where heroin just isn't an option, my dad has offered me a job in his workshop for summer and I want to go home for a long Christmas break anyway so maybe it would be for the best. Decisions decisions.
Footsy the codeine high/heroin withdrawal is a weird feeling eh, it's really unsatisfying and i find the mix quite unpleasant but its certainly better than straight withdrawal. Its made me realise how shit an opiate codeine is - or how good heroin is. When I have codeine during h withdrawal I get the histamine reaction - that weird sort of hot sensation that only codeine gives you and i feel kind of intoxicated but still have the feeling of malaise and the cramps from the heroin. Its strange feeling withdrawal but still getting some slight euphoria from the codeine, i think it could be evidence that quite a lot of the psychoactive effects from codeine are from opiates other than the metabolised morphine, in fact I think the majority of the high from codeine can be attributed to the codeine and other metabolites rather than the metabolised morphine - morphine (at the right dose) should completely negate heroin withdrawal seeing heroin deactylates into morphine in vivo. Obviously the amount of morphine metabolised from a cwe is going to be low though. I assume that codeine binds mostly to the mu receptor as well? It's food for thought. And yeah pst doesn't fill the gap well either, if I've been doing pst for a while I find I quite enjoy the high but after a good binge on h it leaves me wanting more. After about 2 days I start to feel fine on pst again but its that two days that make me want to keep riding the gravy train for as long as i possibly can. I've been getting some a grade heroin the last few days, the rush is incredibly long and even off a point I'm still nodding 2 hours later. The last shot I had was out in my back garden lying on a picnic blanket in the shade with my stereo, a dr pepper and a pack of smokes by my side, fucking perfect. Damn you heroin! I had a weird, scary, lucky experience with heroin the other day, I'll have to explain tomorrow because my girlfriend is patiently lying next to me waiting for me to 'get off bluelight' and my cat is trying to force its way under the blanket to snuggle up and give my chest hair it's nightly clean (something I've tried to stop since she was a kitten but have given up on).
Goodnight hombres.
I've been using on and off again for the last week. I was pretty much clean but it being my birthday recently I convinced myself that having a birthday shot would be ok but of course one shot is never one shot, I always end up using for a few days before my conscience gets the better of me and I lay off again. Fool. I'm starting to consider if going back on a low dose of bupe might be the best thing for me to do, staying clean is proving to be much more difficult than I had hoped it would be, I really don't want to go back on maintainence but I think it might be the lesser of two evils. Either that or go back to nz where heroin just isn't an option, my dad has offered me a job in his workshop for summer and I want to go home for a long Christmas break anyway so maybe it would be for the best. Decisions decisions.
Footsy the codeine high/heroin withdrawal is a weird feeling eh, it's really unsatisfying and i find the mix quite unpleasant but its certainly better than straight withdrawal. Its made me realise how shit an opiate codeine is - or how good heroin is. When I have codeine during h withdrawal I get the histamine reaction - that weird sort of hot sensation that only codeine gives you and i feel kind of intoxicated but still have the feeling of malaise and the cramps from the heroin. Its strange feeling withdrawal but still getting some slight euphoria from the codeine, i think it could be evidence that quite a lot of the psychoactive effects from codeine are from opiates other than the metabolised morphine, in fact I think the majority of the high from codeine can be attributed to the codeine and other metabolites rather than the metabolised morphine - morphine (at the right dose) should completely negate heroin withdrawal seeing heroin deactylates into morphine in vivo. Obviously the amount of morphine metabolised from a cwe is going to be low though. I assume that codeine binds mostly to the mu receptor as well? It's food for thought. And yeah pst doesn't fill the gap well either, if I've been doing pst for a while I find I quite enjoy the high but after a good binge on h it leaves me wanting more. After about 2 days I start to feel fine on pst again but its that two days that make me want to keep riding the gravy train for as long as i possibly can. I've been getting some a grade heroin the last few days, the rush is incredibly long and even off a point I'm still nodding 2 hours later. The last shot I had was out in my back garden lying on a picnic blanket in the shade with my stereo, a dr pepper and a pack of smokes by my side, fucking perfect. Damn you heroin! I had a weird, scary, lucky experience with heroin the other day, I'll have to explain tomorrow because my girlfriend is patiently lying next to me waiting for me to 'get off bluelight' and my cat is trying to force its way under the blanket to snuggle up and give my chest hair it's nightly clean (something I've tried to stop since she was a kitten but have given up on).
Goodnight hombres.
tentram
Ex-Bluelighter
it's most likely to do with a higher ratio of morphine (incomplete acetylation) than usual in the end synthesis.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
About to have my first shot at sampling this... To IV or not to IV that is the question. I think smoking would be the safer option
tentram
Ex-Bluelighter
i wouldn't recommend crossing to IVing it if you're smoking it. once you start pinning it can turn into a whole other realm of addiction
cassandragemini
Bluelighter
^ I can attest to that, you don't want to go there man, it's not worth it.
tripnotyzm
Bluelighter
Yeah, smoking the damn product is enough to turn your life around & upside down.
Think twice before you start IV'ing..
You should read some of the experiences people share over in The Dark Side. It may make you re consider
Think twice before you start IV'ing..
You should read some of the experiences people share over in The Dark Side. It may make you re consider
tentram
Ex-Bluelighter
smoking comes with less chance of overdosing even though it hits quicker than IV. you can only breath in so much through your lungs at one time compared to fitting into just a 1cc barrel. it's a much safer way to test new gear as well. though it can be an ugly addiction itself it's a safer ROA than going onto IV'ing.
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
I started IVing straight away so I can't talk too much but even with a 3 month break, I could only JUST feel 2 bumps smoked. Put into perspective, 20mg of the same stuff snorted was plenty..
one thing that is true about IVing is that it will increase your risk of viral hepatitis and HIV. There's nothing like a virus scare to change the way you think about IVing, that several month wait for the test results alone will take years off your life if you have good reason to be scared. Like a friend who you use with who has recently been diagnosed with one of these viruses. Sure you don't share needles but accidents happen, spoons get switched by accident etc, especially when you're really high.
AyahuascaSeeker13
Bluelighter
Thanks for all the feedback people. I still have the gear sitting in my box of goodies, after reading the Darkside and some of the shit that stems from addiction of smack, I'm thinking twice now about even smoking it.
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
^^Word.
No one on here is going to be able to make that decision for you.
Are you here to be talked out of IVing?
drug_mentor
Bluelight Crew
^ If you bothered to read two posts above yours then you would see that he already decided not to IV...
Jakeperson
Bluelighter
Nope but he was asking on what would be the safest option.
To me it sounds like you knew all along and then chose the safer way to get high.
Throw your fits away and dont look back, good to see some peoples mistakes (darkside) helped you make a safer choice.
bayareablack
Greenlighter
Hell yeah brown dope is by far the best I've had. Persian shit will make you fall in love
Ashley
Bluelight Crew
I have found this to be true also. Obviously, as we all know, you simply cannot determine the quality/purity of street heroin based on the colour or smell alone. But over the course of my heroin adventures (I have been injecting heroin for around 6-7 years now), the best gear that I have had has always been brown or tan rock and/or powder. It also "feels" different, in my experience. In saying this, I have also had brown heroin that has been utter garbage too. However, overall I have had more brown/tan smack that has been *really* good than white heroin. No idea why. Funnily enough, I haven't seen any brown/beige/tan H for quite a while now.
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Ashley
Bluelight Crew
I too have gotten a histamine reaction from heroin a good number of times over the years. The intensity of the "prickly" rush has varied from just barely noticeable to quite pronounced, though it has never been comparable to the kind of intense pins and needles reaction that I experience from a shot of morphine sulfate. I also agree with cassandragemini that usually with this type of gear it has really long legs, is very noddy, can be quite "sickly" (nausea) and often leaves me mildly irritable for no reason (I also get really irritable from oxycodone HCl, and also morphine sulfate but to a lesser degree).[/QUOTE]
My girl and I, as well as a few of our drug friends refer to this kind of gear as "morphy". The heroin that I have been scoring for the last few weeks has had these "morphy" characteristics. My experience tells me that it is most definitely home bake: diacetylmorphine (heroin) produced via the acetylation of morphine to diacetylmorphine using acetic anhydride. It is a moist sticky powder that comes in a clump, mixes up clear with a slight yellow tinge when drawn up, and absolutely reeks of vinegar, which is the acetic anhydride left over from the conversion.
tentram is right about it containing a higher ratio of morphine to diacetylmorphine, and it also contains unusually high levels of 3-O-monoacetylmorphine specifically due to the incomplete acetylation of morphine to diacetylmorphine. The levels of 3-O-monoacetylmorphine are much greater than 6-O-monoacetylmorphine as well. The 3-MAM, morphine and 6-MAM (to a lesser degree) would be responsible for the morphine like characteristics that I mentioned before.
The conversion rate is nowhere near 100% when using this method to produce heroin (more like 60% if the person knows what they are doing). With the morphine placed in a spoon, enough acetic anhydride is added to moisten the morphine, it is then covered with tin foil and then placed in the oven to acetylate.
While home bake isn't anywhere near as common in Australia as it is in New Zealand for instance, it is certainly around. It is pretty popular in Queensland, if my memory serves me correctly - and is primarily produced from morphine tablets like MS-Contin 100mg that are cleaned up with solvents to get rid of the binders and fillers in the pills. But it is also produced from codeine phosphate which is isolated from codeine tablets like Nurofen Plus, Panafen Plus, etc (the same ones we use for CWE's
), then cleaned up and reacted with pyridine HCl to produce morphine powder and then the morphine powder is treated the exact same way with acetic anhydride to yield diacetylmorphine and the other aforementioned morphine analogues.cassandragemini: I can relate to what you're saying 110 percent as I am in exactly the same boat. I jumped off 32mg/daily Subutex habit around 6-7 months ago and ever since then I have been dancing between hanging out and getting stoned. My problem is the same as yours, as soon as I get paid I will just keep buying heroin until I run out of money and then I have to get resourceful and try and keep from getting sick by sourcing bupe off the street or scrounging together enough money for codeine or poppy seeds. I totally understand what you mean about not wanting to go back on maintenance, it was the worst decision I ever made to start dosing buprenorphine daily (I lost like 4 years of my life in an emotionless fog of numbness, as did my girl - she was on the exact same dose as me). But like you, I have considered it as I just cannot keep living like this, it's really growing thin. I picked up 50 diazepam tablets and 25 oxazepam tablets and 2mg of Suboxone film yesterday to help make the next 8 days easier, as I have no money until next Tuesday (so no hope of scoring any hammer, considering I already owe my dealer for a handful of packets that I got on credit). So hopefully after 8 days I won't be feeling too bad and I'm gonna try and stay off it for a while, as I really just want to be able to use occasionally and not wake up sick every fucking morning!
I find the same thing as you and footsy with codeine, and personally prefer poppy seed tea. I find my usual dose to stave away the sickness of codeine (384mg) lasts about 4 hours and after about 6 hours I start getting stretchy legs, sneezing, diarrhea and a runny nose - but like you said even when it does kick in, I don't feel 100% better. Not at all.
The following bit of reading might shed some light on why a substantial dose of codeine doesn't completely eliminate the withdrawal symptoms when coming off heroin. It seems that 50-70% of the codeine is converted to codeine-6-glucuronide and then in turn 60% of the morphine is converted to morphine-3-glucuronide and though they both have similar affinity for the u and mu opioid receptors I doubt they would be as effective as morphine binding exclusively to the mu receptor:
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chugs
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^ I don't think your wrong Ashley.
With the recent busts in Sydney its little wonder domestic production is ramping up.
I always found it interesting that the annual ACC (Aus Crime Commission) reports have never discussed about domestic sources for heroin. Sure they love to talk about points of embarkation, and essentially imply that 100% of trafficked opiates are imported however it'd seem to me quite logical that there are several mobile heroin kitchens that drive around the outskirts of Sydney and other major cities, producing smack from diverted over the counter and prescription opiates.
Considering the Mark Standen case and the huge amount of corruption in the NSW police force I'd say its quite likely that either discussion of domestic production is 'left out' of the reporting or investigations are stymied. It seems quite outrageous that the ACC, Federal Police and the other state agencies are suggesting that 100% of Australia's opiate use is sourced purely from imported drugs.
Are they seriously suggesting that the bikies with their mobile amphetamine kitchens and chefs have no interest, ability or materials to produce their own smack? Though I could easily see politicians being stupid enough to believe that. Definitely reckon the cops are doing the dirty on this.
I started thinking about this when I offered some opinions in another thread about the domestic production of another substances. Again absolutely nothing in the ACC annual reports about domestic production and yet when you think about it, its kinda really obviously. I hit a sore point with this post and was actually asked by someone who asked someone that I remove/edit the comments (and don't bother looking, shit was deleted).
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Anyway what is everyones holiday plans. how has everryones plans to stop going? not that i'm back on the sauce. 8)
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damn wish we could talk prices on this board.
With the recent busts in Sydney its little wonder domestic production is ramping up.
I always found it interesting that the annual ACC (Aus Crime Commission) reports have never discussed about domestic sources for heroin. Sure they love to talk about points of embarkation, and essentially imply that 100% of trafficked opiates are imported however it'd seem to me quite logical that there are several mobile heroin kitchens that drive around the outskirts of Sydney and other major cities, producing smack from diverted over the counter and prescription opiates.
Considering the Mark Standen case and the huge amount of corruption in the NSW police force I'd say its quite likely that either discussion of domestic production is 'left out' of the reporting or investigations are stymied. It seems quite outrageous that the ACC, Federal Police and the other state agencies are suggesting that 100% of Australia's opiate use is sourced purely from imported drugs.
Are they seriously suggesting that the bikies with their mobile amphetamine kitchens and chefs have no interest, ability or materials to produce their own smack? Though I could easily see politicians being stupid enough to believe that. Definitely reckon the cops are doing the dirty on this.
I started thinking about this when I offered some opinions in another thread about the domestic production of another substances. Again absolutely nothing in the ACC annual reports about domestic production and yet when you think about it, its kinda really obviously. I hit a sore point with this post and was actually asked by someone who asked someone that I remove/edit the comments (and don't bother looking, shit was deleted).
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Anyway what is everyones holiday plans. how has everryones plans to stop going? not that i'm back on the sauce. 8)
8)damn wish we could talk prices on this board.
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