Slippery Sheepdogs Dribbling Rainbow Halo's All Over The Parellogram- PD Triangle Urt

[helium-4]

I'll be honest I can't really wrap my head around the plot of that paragraph but I got the theme. Like I seriously got confused about who was who and what they were doing and the actual writing didn't make sense to me. I'm not really making sense on a lot of things right now. I'm rather messed up.

That last sentence made me LOL good :D

It also made me realize that do a pretty good job of blocking that out. I never think of celebrity gossip or hollywoodish matters. I also don't eat fast food except once in a blue moon and when I do it's not a 1200 cal burger or a supersize coke. I guess what I'm saying is I don't see it either, it's not really in my mind. My mind is in it's own world separate from the mass fucked-upedness.

It was a response from me on somethingawful in the thread discussing the article. I couldn't fathom the responses that the thread brought on.

 

[helium-4]

I'm not sure what book to read right now... 1984 or One flew over the cuckoo's nest.

 

[PepperSocks]

I've read the former. It is very good.

I have not read the latter but would love to.

 

[PepperSocks]

AH, I read the article and get everything now.

That is kinda odd that they made him pay back a rescue bill. I've never heard of that. I understand it's to lower taxes and all but that seems like a sleezy way to do it.

That's also not necessarily reflective of all humanity across the globe. It just happens to be a few states that have some screwed up rescue laws.

As far as I know, up here there's no such thing. If you're in trouble and they're aware of it and able to help you, they do, and it's taxpayer paid. We just have higher taxes is all.

 

[andreas]

^ I can't totally agree there I have no probs spending the cash to save someone but this dude just came over from England got lost, we looked for this dude for two weeks and he sell his story to the paper for $200k and in affect makes a shit load of money from his stupidity, while we spent god know how much to find this guy, when all along you can get GPS systems from the local police station for free

 

[coelophysis]

man I was at a point where i had lost all hope for humanity, I started to believe that the whole world was just so fucked up and I was the last person on earth that was conscious, I started to really hate people and didn't give anyone a chance I just believed that the whole world just cared about materials and that love and humanity were a thing of the past...then I found you guys...thank you so much I love PD social

I feel that it's a rare breed to be found though.

 

[TheAppleCore]

There was a pretty good movie done after One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Had Jack Nicholson I believe. Never read the book though.


Just had a smoke. I'm quite high. And I'm happy up here!

Catching a buzz here and there is pretty cool, but every other week or so I like taking it up a notch (as I have now). It's almost sort of psychedelic, in its own way.

 

[andreas]

fucking panic attacks are back...sick little fucks just come out of no where

 

[Roger&Me]

Interesting Shulgin Lecture

 

[adrian89987]

one flew over the cuckoos nest wast a great book, I've never gotten round to 1984 though

 

[IGNVS]

hmm.... cloudy said human society makes me sick

one could then think about all the good that people do, and without further discussing it say human society makes me smile

cloudy, hearing this, would disagree with the other guy, out of definition.

the same words now have a diferent definition

regardless the conversation goes on for quite some time.

the thing is any word can have this happen to it due to diferent thoughts or expereinces leading up to how the word is being used. in fact i think that most words have this sort of thing happen.

in this way language is flawed.

and then there are concept words, the meaning of which comes from a synthesis of ideas that already exist, but are simply given a definition to and claimed to be found.
there are infinate words in this catagory.

the confusion from misdefining these is absolute. start talking abstractly and i would place my bets on no one knowing what the hell anyone is talking about.

it is because of this that i dispise philosophy and philisophical discussion.

remember, the concept lives wether we define it or not, so take any philosophy and if what is said is true then the life of that concept too will live out to be true.

living your own philosophy is the only way to communicate in the matter. and we do this anyway, for the most part (that is, even if we dont live the philosphy we think of we still live a perticular way that could be defined philisophically).

sorry to change the topic, but this is the only way i could articulate my disgust with people that think they know something, myself included. the oportunity presented itself.





also. i will be in Savanah, Georgia, this evening, and all of tommorow. If any of yall live around there pm me or somethin :D

 

[adrian89987]

I live bout 3 hours from savannah in Atl

 

[IGNVS]

cool man, hows georgia?

 

[Dondante]

the confusion from misdefining these is absolute. start talking abstractly and i would place my bets on no one knowing what the hell anyone is talking about.

it is because of this that i dispise philosophy and philisophical discussion.

Language is a double-edged sword, but the ability to communicate and share abstract concepts is what makes us human. I think life would be rather dull if nobody philosophized.

And yet, though himself an intellectual and one of the supreme masters of language, Goethe did not always agree with his own evaluation of the word. "We talk," he wrote in middle life, "far too much. We should talk less and draw more. I personally should like to renounce speech altogether and, like organic Nature, communicate everything I have to say in sketches. That fig tree, this little snake, the cocoon on my window sill quietly awaiting its future-all these are momentous signatures. A person able to decipher their meaning properly would soon be able to dispense with the written or the spoken word altogether. The more I think of it, there is something futile, mediocre, even (I am tempted to say) foppish about speech. By contrast, how the gravity of Nature and her silence startle you, when you stand face to face with her, undistracted, before a barren ridge or in the desolation of the ancient hills." We can never dispense with language and the other symbol systems; for it is by means of them, and only by their means, that we have raised ourselves above the brutes, to the level of human beings. But we can easily become the victims as well as the beneficiaries of these systems. We must learn how to handle words effectively; but at the same time we must preserve and, if necessary, intensify our ability to look at the world directly and not through that half opaque medium of concepts, which distorts every given fact into the all too familiar likeness of some generic label or explanatory abstraction.

-Aldous Huxley, The Doors of Perception​

Listen to this and tell me you despise philosophy.

Golden Philosophy



P.S. I've been loving some quotations lately in case anyone hadn't noticed.

 

[IGNVS]

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/police_slog_through_40_000

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/supreme_court_rules_death_penalty

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/obama_axes_pentagon_plan_to_build



i dont have anything against communication, i just see it better communicated through sharing and living expereinces. language is an atempt at communication.

look at any plotline or larger picture of things, great philosophies are communicated without the discussion of the actual occurance.

 

[IGNVS]

really, no savanablers? bummer

 

[Xorkoth]

You sure did. I remember researching it a few years ago along with other nootropics but never tried it. I took some earlier this week and it was nice but later that day I took some kava along with it to help me sleep because the phenibut was wearing off, and well; it certainly potentiates kava I passed out, slept late and woke up feeling like utter crap.

It's one of those things you gotta watch the doses. Nice effect though

You sure do have to watch the dose. It's hard to learn to get it right. Too little and there's no definable effect (although it will still be calming), and a little too much and you get all sore and crappy and dizzy.

The right dose though and you get an amazing plateau of euphoria... talk talk talk talk talk.

Are you still into the other nootropics? I've started taking piracetam daily and it is really nice. What it does for my trips is incredible. I don't think I'll ever take a trip without it. It just makes it so much smoother, stronger, more euphoric, longer duration, easier comedown... incredible

On occasion, when it calls for it. I tend to go in cycles... when I feel I need to some mental tweaking, I use it daily or near-daily for a few months. Then I stop because at some point it feels sort of counterproductive. Currently I'm hardly ever using them.

Oh man, I hate cleaning. My space is a mess. I just have papers and junk all over my coffee table and clothes laying everywhere. My mom is the total opposite, she is the most nit-picky clean person I know. She spends her Saturdays cleaning the house and gets really manic and eccentric while she's doing it. Kind of unnerving actually

Yeah, when I was your age I was really bad at it indeed. Really bad. I guess now that I own my own house it's been getting steadily better. If you rent then it's like, who cares? But if you own your own house, you definitely care.

That black kratom resin stuff is supposedly around 7x. So 1 gram of it is like 7 grams of leaf. I actually get a solid buzz from 1.5g of leaf but I'm a freak. Most people need around 7g, so yeah, you might be sensitive you might not. If so the whole gram of that extract will make you sick (like what 7g does to me) or it might give you a good buzz (like it does for most people).

Many people including myself find that the extracts and resins do not actually equal the raw leaf in intensity, although they remove the parts that can cause that dizzy weird feeling of too much kratom leaf. It takes me like 4 grams of 10x extract to get a good effect, but 6-10 grams of leaf. I've been using it way too much for 4 and a half years though, so adjust for that. 8)

mmmmkratommmmm

this stuff is nice

Yep. Watch yourself is all I can say. Opiates, even kratom, are sneaky. For me, I used plenty of opiates here and there with no issues. But then kratom grabbed me. Grabbed me good, it did.

can you actually... feel phenibut, or does it just make you less nervous in a normal sort of way?

Well at a low dose like it recommends, 300mg, 600mg, something depending on your individual body chemistry, it is relaxing, sort of like a non-stupfying benzo but more subtle. At a higher dose (but not too high), it produces a state of definite euphoria. I really like it a lot. But be careful because you can become dependent on it, and then for about a week afterwards you can get some pretty severe rebound anxiety. Seems to take a good while to develop dependence though. It only happened to me once and I had been taking high doses every day for probably about a year, like the compulsive silly-head that I am.

Speaking of being compulsive, I've been struggling to reduce and eliminate kratom from my life for a long time. I can never seem to make any headway. I make the same promises to myself every day and break them in the same way every day. But this week that my in-laws have been here has been very positively influential in a lot of ways, all involving self-discipline. I had been using kratom anywhere from 3-6 times a day. Not 6 hours could go by that I didn't start to feel that familiar restlessness of the beginning of withdrawal. I've been reducing to 3 doses a day and sticking firm, and today was my first day of 2 doses (the second one coming in an hour and a half before bed so I can sleep, the first one being in the morning so I didn't feel shitty all day). This is a good thing, even though obviously 2 doses of kratom a day and withdrawal in 12 hours is still not a good thing. But I feel different this time. I shared my feelings on this with my wife for the first time (fully anyway), so there's no going back now. I'm not just keeping it to myself. She uses it almost as much as me, but at way smaller doses (more like you uniter, like 1.5 grams) and has never seemed to have any sort of physical dependence. So she is going to help me.

This time will be different because I have new activities to help me fill in the time I used to spend doing kratom and sitting around. Every other time I've tried to stop, I didn't find something else to fill it. My wife and I tend to make each other better in some ways, but in some ways our weaknesses combine and make us both worse. Laziness is one of these. We just want to hang out with each other so if one of us wants to be lazy, the other will. But we've been discussing how this week has been positive for both of us in this regard.

Besides spending obscene amounts of money on it that we really need for other stuff, I hate hate hate being a slave to it. So the buck stops here. I think I am going to look back on this week as an important turning point in my life.

Seriously, about the only stress I have in my life is money stress. And not spending $320 a month on something that gets me nowhere except slavery is going to instantly remove a lot of that. Not all of it. But then not being a slave to kratom will remove some more. And life, which is already good despite these things, will be even better.

 

[adrian89987]

cool man, hows georgia?

Eh, I mean I love georgia though I don't know much besides ga as I was born here and have lived my entire life here

Weathers been good the past couple days though here thats for sure

 

[PepperSocks]

She uses it almost as much as me, but at way smaller doses (more like you uniter, like 1.5 grams) and has never seemed to have any sort of physical dependence. So she is going to help me.

It's funny; I've dabbled in highly addictive drugs but have never been truly addicted to anything in my life. Same deal with kratom; I can do a lot of it and the next day will feel kind of off so will take some more to take away the hangover but that's where it stops. During the week I never to any drugs. If I'm really tired and want to relax I'll take some kratom or codeine and feel good but I don't continue with it. If I do a lot of a drug, likely the longest opiate run I did was when I was living on my own and got a craving for good opies so I got a bunch of percocets and went on a week long binge. By the end of it I was feeling so strung out, weak, and just exhausted. Taking more oxy didn't really make me feel better but WD didn't feel good either but it felt like the lesser of the 2 evils. So yeah, how it goes is I'll indulge in something until it starts to make me feel bad and then I stop. The desire is satiated; I don't even want to take any more of the drug.

Speaking of never getting addicted to anything... I'm going to have to see where this phenibut takes me. I like it.... A lot. I took a gram along with my piracetam when I woke up and had a great day. I went into town to get my dad a B-day gift and then decided to take a drive around the countryside. I rolled a joint before I left the house and that was enjoyed as well as a couple cigarettes. I've felt so good all day, I love going to for long, aimless drives with the window down, music on the radio, and with a little pot.

I think I'm going to put phenibut in my daily regimen for a while anyway and see where it takes me. It really helps with my anxiety and while it can make me feel emotional I find I really get into music a lot more and feels really good. I may get my first real addiction, I may not.. time will tell.

I took another gram before supper and I'm really starting to feel like I maybe took a bit too much. I'm feeling kind of dizzy. I was thinking of taking some MDMA tonight but I'm debating it. If this phenibut stays like this I don't think I should; it would just numb out the MDMA.

I was thinking Xorkoth, I saw you post that you took DOM earlier this week with your in-laws there. Do psychedelics not make you trip or feel dissociated at all? there's no way I could trip in a situation like that. I've found in the past that taking kratom will shut down a trip quite well; I've also read a blurb (not confirmed) about it being a 5-HT2a antagonist which would explain this. Also it seems like phenibut would shut down a trip too.

Ever wonder if you didn't do kratom or phenibut to see if it brings back the full trip? It just seems like those two things will keep a trip from going full bore but would also make it easier to trip around people such as in-laws.

Good luck in the cut-back; it's nice to have someone who can help you through.

 

[Xorkoth]

Actually the reason I don't trip as hard anymore is because I have done so fucking much of it over the past few years. I tripped 3-4 times a week for 2006-2007, all of it. Ever since then I really can't trip the way I used to. These days it's more of a mental and emotional enhancement or alteration. I find them very utilitarian. The DOXs always had a very social push for me. When I first started using DOC, I would get a hard (very hard) trip for about 8 hours and then feel like I wanted to talk to entire world, with large amounts of clean, natural-feeling euphoria and mental enhancement and quickness, with the ability to connect concepts and analyze that is much increased over my regular state. Now all I get from the DOXs, especially DOM and DOC, is that second part. Which I love and find very useful. I enjoy taking them in new situations, especially social situations, because I invariably find that they make me a lot more engaged and centered and attentive to my world. And it's like the important things automatically come into focus and the bullshit drops away. I also often take phenibut with DOXs because the two merge to enhance all the positive aspects.

Yeah, watch the phenibut, dude. If you get the great part, leave it to that and do some more another time. Too much is easy to get, and it sucks. If you had some DOC or DOM, you could take a little and the phenibut would affect you less due to its amphetamine nature.

But yeah, phenibut surely made me an addict for a while. I use it today, sometimes a couple of days in a row, but I always at least leave as many days between a run as I do it. Usually I do it 1-2 days a weekend and not all week. It's certainly great. It's funny you said you woke up and had a great day, because that's how it makes me feel exactly. It feels like I'm having just the best day, full of sparkle and happiness and optimism. It doesn't feel like a drug. But it is. Too much of anything is a bad thing.

A tip though. I find that if I do phenibut and get the great day effect, then the next day is also good. The day after that is normal though. Doing it every other day seems a lot safer than doing it every day.

Just looking out for you, man. You don't want your first addiction, trust me. Everyone thinks it won't happen to them. But god, it's a slippery beast. Fuck addiction. That's all I've got to say about that. :D