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pmz

pmz

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So I had one night that pretty much fucked me after doing too much mdma and a bit of K as well :/ My entire sleep pattern is totally messed up. Ill go to sleep just fine yet wake up a few hours later and toss and turn for an hour then fall asleep again, then keep repeating this pattern. when I wake up, Like I wake the fuck up immediatly. Not like that normal slowly waking up from a normal sleep, but waking up from a nightmare. Yet I wont really have a dream or nightmare i would be waking up from. I would just snap awake. and I would wake up very early too. I might go to sleep at 10 and wake up at 4am and feel like that would be it for my night of sleep. I would lay there for hours trying to fall asleep again. This has been happening for a number of weeks now immediately after that night . Anyone else experience this? I used to be a good sleeper. I could sleep + 12 hours or be able to fall back asleep when I woke in the night.
 
Yes was exactly the same used to sleep exactly as you describe.

Now hardley sleep at all. I think some of my sleep issues have also got worse from taking benzos. Although I wouldnt have been taking benzos if there was no anxiety.

I have got over one long term comedown before and by and large my sleep did return to normal once I recovered.
 
futura2012 said:
Yes was exactly the same used to sleep exactly as you describe.

Now hardley sleep at all. I think some of my sleep issues have also got worse from taking benzos. Although I wouldnt have been taking benzos if there was no anxiety.

I have got over one long term comedown before and by and large my sleep did return to normal once I recovered.
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wow thats good to know man thanks. im so afraid Im gonna have permanent sleep issues. I guess I havent totally destroyed my serotonin system. Has ur mood returned to normal after your first come down as well. I feel no negative and numb all the time
 
I dont think on my first comedown it was quite that bad I certainly felt brain fogged and couldnt think straight. Some of my thoughts were negative but not all.

Looking back im not sure which came first recovery or sleep recovery. I almost remember my sleep returning to normal then overnight I felt "normal" again. It was once my heart stopped racing I was able to sleep again.

I think the fucked up sleep is a big part to play in this longterm comedown experience. If you can crack the sleep issues then you have effectively recovered.

During this second comedown I have taken a whole range of drugs to supposedly fix sleep and none of them come close to proper sleep.

Just recently I stopped taking my AD meds after almost two years of various meds. I have taken so many ADs now its untrue I literally have a carrier bag full of the dreadful things.

I am starting to agree with the general consensus of opinion on here and that none of the meds help with MDMA induced long term comedowns.

I think you have to brave it without drug assistance.

I think suppliments help but not meds.
 
Ugh. I feel like my sleep is almost getting worse. Last night I kept having cold sweats that kept me up. That and the pounding heart. Its funny. I know I slept a few times because I remember dreaming. But I Dont actually remember being asleep. I think I'm just waking up so fast I Dont realize I sleep. I feel like no one is experiencing this the way I am. Can I really be this had. Its been 2 months now with almost no end in sight.
 
I literally hardley sleep at all now and feel sometimes like I am going insane.

My sleep is pretty bad trust me. All you can do is brave it out my friend.

Exercise during the day will help and trying to be as active as possible this way you will wear yourself out more.

I would avoid the benzos they dont really make for good sleep.

You could try melatonin but I havent had much luck with that myself.

You might not be realizing your sleeping cause your memory might be a little off but hopefully you will be getting some sleep.

The only accurate and true advice I can give to help is exercise. I have tried everything else including a host of meds and havent had positive results. I even tried an AD Mirtazapine that totally knocks you out but the sleep you get from that is just awful.
 
Pmz, I had horrible sleeping issues the first few months. I would wake up in a panic every morning and have pretty much the most restless sleep you could imagine every night.

I feel I'm having one of the most severe comedowns out there symptom-wise, but trust me when I say sleeping does improve. In fact, I probably sleep too much ATM. Part of the reason being sleep is the only reprieve from this bs.

I do, however, have a new sleep issue and I was hoping to get a response from you as well, Futura. I started taking stablon about two weeks ago and since then I've felt the need to take a nap everyday-which isn't bad. The problem is when I awake from the nap it's in the most panic, depressed frame of mind you could imagine. It takes me about 45 minutes to calm down and regain some sense of normalcy.

It's really frustrating cause its starting to make me dread naps even though I'm so tired I feel I really need. What's your guys take on this? Any advice, suggestions?
 
I do, however, have a new sleep issue and I was hoping to get a response from you as well, Futura. I started taking stablon about two weeks ago and since then I've felt the need to take a nap everyday-which isn't bad. The problem is when I awake from the nap it's in the most panic, depressed frame of mind you could imagine. It takes me about 45 minutes to calm down and regain some sense of normalcy.

It's really frustrating cause its starting to make me dread naps even though I'm so tired I feel I really need. What's your guys take on this? Any advice, suggestions?
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Sticking with the stablon is good. I am very interested to hear how this pans out for you. I suspect several months in you will start to feel the benefits. As you know cope swears by stablon and reckons its a big part of his recovery.

The 45 minutes panic and fear you experience I suspect is because when you sleep and wake up your cortisol levels are at their highest and one theory from MDMA damage is your HPA axis gets knocked out of whack and generally your cortisol levels are higher than ususal this is why you are more sensitive to the raised levels when you wake up. Excessive and increased cortisol is known to cause panic and fear. Quite often people dont get raised cortisol from napping only a nights sleep but I suspect at the moment you are more sensitive to any variations.

Have a read of this and see what you think? just a theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortisol_awakening_response

The solution I would suggest is you dont nap. If you are starting to sleep well at night I would take advantage of this and avoid the naps no matter how tempting they are. this way you will get a better nights sleep.
 
futura2012 said:
I literally hardley sleep at all now and feel sometimes like I am going insane.

My sleep is pretty bad trust me. All you can do is brave it out my friend.

Exercise during the day will help and trying to be as active as possible this way you will wear yourself out more.

I would avoid the benzos they dont really make for good sleep.

You could try melatonin but I havent had much luck with that myself.

You might not be realizing your sleeping cause your memory might be a little off but hopefully you will be getting some sleep.

The only accurate and true advice I can give to help is exercise. I have tried everything else including a host of meds and havent had positive results. I even tried an AD Mirtazapine that totally knocks you out but the sleep you get from that is just awful.
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Thanks. Yeah I'm off the benzos. Kill that about 2 weeks ago. Not sure if my emotional numbness is from lack of sleep or not. But either way its disgusting. I've also never felt so vulnerable.
Tried melotonin. No luck. 5-htp. No luck. I run about 3 miles a day. No luck. Nothing has been improving my sleep or mood. I hope my life is not stuck like this. Everyone seems to be getting better while I feel like I'm just falling apart even more
 
ey yo shutcha mouf mang! jk lol.

I'm still at 5 months bro, just give it time. There are plenty of people who say they got better 6-12 months in.

You can still feel some happiness. You may think that you're emotionally numb... and you probably are a little, I feel that way too. But I can still laugh at things, like really hard sometimes. That made me realize that I can still feel happiness, which is fokken awesome, right? It's not like you can't feel ANY happiness or something, if that's what you think... then I think you're being too negative.

2 months is nothing, if you want we can play some league of legends together? :)
 
WhatIsWrongWithMe said:
ey yo shutcha mouf mang! jk lol.

I'm still at 5 months bro, just give it time. There are plenty of people who say they got better 6-12 months in.

You can still feel some happiness. You may think that you're emotionally numb... and you probably are a little, I feel that way too. But I can still laugh at things, like really hard sometimes. That made me realize that I can still feel happiness, which is fokken awesome, right? It's not like you can't feel ANY happiness or something, if that's what you think... then I think you're being too negative.

2 months is nothing, if you want we can play some league of legends together? :)
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Ur so right. Cept the before and after for who I was is soooo insanely different. Its litterally scaring the life out of me. I feel like I have every symptom where most people I read about only have a few things wrong with them. Ignoring this is way harder than what most people say it is.

League of legends is online? Never heard of it
 
We should make a face book group or something for folkes like us. So we can chat easier and share shit to keep occupied from going stir crazy lol
 
I feel like I have every symptom where most people I read about only have a few things wrong with them. Ignoring this is way harder than what most people say it is.
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Dont worrey pmz your not alone I am totally fucked up from all this and have been for 18 months now. I never leave the house spend most of my time face down in bed so I doubt you are much worse than me. I might be up on my feet maybe max 30 mins out of a 24 hour day.

I have pretty much all the symptoms other than brain zaps I pretty much get everything else full on. Its hard to live with for sure but in the end you learn to keep going. Maybe one day I will give up im not sure.

If you do want to chat on skype no worries just drop me a PM and I will reply with my username.

Some games might be a good plan. The Mame Emulator is a good one this has all the oldskool classic arcade games on it. You can download it from various sources. if you want a copy pm me and ill send you a link.
 
Ive had two long term comedowns and have quite a history of MDMA use maybe 500+ doses also I am older 39. My first lasted 6 months I made the decision to continue taking drugs and now into my second :( lets hope your comedown only lasts 6 months or so. Sorry I wasnt trying to scare you I was just trying to point out to pmz hes not the only one so fucked up.

Yeah I got fucked by a coctail of piperazine and MDMA. My friend thizzin who is a member on here also got fucked by the same thing and has been fucked now for three years he was 18 at the time just about to turn 21. Cope also got fucked by pipes and MDMA but was fortunate to recover after about 8 months or so I think stablon helped him a lot.

Recovery is different for everyone you have to focus on your own space really and try not to make too many comparisons. I think a lot of it is mind over matter. There are many factors that will determine your recovery time.

But to answer your question no it hasnt got any better really the HPPD has faded slightly but my memory is still totally fucked and life isnt great right now.

Due to issues with appathy I dont exercise much so this hasnt helped me at all. Also I dont leave my room much so this doesnt help with anxiety either. I have tried a lot of medication but so far nothing has been of much use. I just recently quit my latest AD so for the moment i am planning on leaving off all meds.
 
why did you take piperazine with MDMA? or did you not know about it?

I'm sorry to hear that it hasn't gotten better... I really thought the human brain could fix itself from anything? Hang in there futura.
 
It was an accident. There was a while in the UK when loads of pills were piperazine and not so easy to avoid.

I just wish I had discovered this site before making such mistakes!

The weird thing is my friends took the same coctail and they were just a bit spaced out nothing more.

I suspect it was a combination of my genetics and my brain reaching the end of the road. I think the serotonin network can tolerate so much then eventually it collapses.

Stories on here varie from sometimes recovery taking a month or so, sometimes 6 months sometimes several years we have even had one user who has died so I think many factors are at play. I think a big part is mind over matter how much you want to recover in a way. Some of us have stronger fight than others.
 
Is it really possible for someone to recover after years? Similar to how people who get their brain function destroyed (speech, motor function) from head injuries, gun shots for example, can recover after years?

That would be totally insane.
 
Im sure it is possible I guess the big question to ask is how much you can bare of this pain before recovery happens.

I definitely cannot live the rest of my predicted life in this state so I guess I will either recover or decide enough is enough.

The worst symptoms for me are the anxiety, memory loss and unawareness of time. I can lie in my bed and hours pass and I dont even realise the time. I have no awareness of time its really weird to explain.

From what I read i think your awareness of time is very closely related to memory function so whilst your memory is zapped your time recognition is also skewed. Its a very weird sensation to explain in words but its definitely not nice.
 
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