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Meth Slamming meth

Foreigner

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Not for me, but for a friend who recently told me he's been IV'ing meth and jerking off to porn at least once a week. Claims he's not addicted. I'm skeptical.

This is one area I know nothing about. Assuming that IV tech is being done properly and dose is reasonable, what are the risks of this? He said "The high only lasts 45 minutes so I'm not worried." This is new behaviour for him. He's not a depressed type person but he does spend a lot of time alone.

Should I be worried? To me meth is meth and this is probably not going to end well.
 
Maybe the extremely intense rush, the 10 out of 10, lasts 45 seconds. But the rest, the 9.5 out of 10, will last double digit hours.

The fact that he is downplaying the duration so dramatically would worry me.

How long has he been using, at once a week?
 
Mobin said:
He might rip his dick off if he looks up Chessie Rae.
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There is someone possibly ruining their life with one of the most addictive drugs and you're taking the spotlight to make a stupid joke.

Congratulations, you're essentially killing someone. I hope someone fucks you up for that.
 
Unfortunately since there's no suboxone for stims I would switch to benzos then use diclazepam to eventually wean off the benzos. Diclazepam being the research chemical not valium. Miracle benzo cure imo. I would try to avoid weed and caffeine as much as possible going forward...... and then fart.....ohhh God I just killed him!!!!
 
One administration of d-meth definitely doesn't last "double digit # of rascalhours" (direct quote).
 
streaM Freak said:
There is someone possibly ruining their life with one of the most addictive drugs and you're taking the spotlight to make a stupid joke.

Congratulations, you're essentially killing someone. I hope someone fucks you up for that.
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relax - he didn't kill anybody with his joke except for maybe you
 
My limited experience pretty much matched erowid, only like 3 hours smoked. Psychonautwiki says irregular users have different duration which makes sense but they put up a unique disclaimer in green saying 12-24h.
m.psychonautwiki.org

Methamphetamine

N-Methylamphetamine (also known as Methamphetamine, Ma, Meth, Glass, Ice, Shard, Crank, Tina, T, Tweak, Yaba, Shabu, and Crystal[3]) is a classical stimulant substance of the amphetamine class. It is structurally related to amphetamine, however it crosses the blood-brain barrier more rapidly...
m.psychonautwiki.org m.psychonautwiki.org
I generally trust the latter so maybe I don't react normal but it definitely gave me the biggest rush ever hands down....rubbing my dingus lol.
 
We understand kid. Damn, now it's my fault for making this the Modin show. I should just stick to staying out of things.

@Foreigner .. I know you're a reasonable person. Again, the fact that he is so dramatically downplaying the effects worries me. Almost as if he wants to hide how much he likes it, possible he already sees it as a problem.

I don't know.. just trying to give perspective. Yes @someguyontheinternet ROA doesn't change much duration. Possible oral being the longest, in my experience of using all methods. I'd say some routes have different times peaks, though. But not dramatically different. Either way, definitely not just 45 seconds :)
 
streaM Freak said:
Maybe the extremely intense rush, the 10 out of 10, lasts 45 seconds. But the rest, the 9.5 out of 10, will last double digit hours.

The fact that he is downplaying the duration so dramatically would worry me.

How long has he been using, at once a week?
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He's been doing it for 2 years at once a week.

I've already caught him in many lies unrelated to drugs so his credibility is already shot with me.

Just trying to gather all the facts before I confront him about his use.
 
If that's true, that's pretty good discipline.
"Confronting" a user is an extremely sensitive thing. I too, hope you gather everything you need, if you feel some sort of action on your part is needed.
 
Mobin said:
I would bet that he's using much more than once per week if he's been at it for 2 years. I'm guessing if you two live in the same country you can hear him beating off.
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There's no such thing as an occasional meth user

(Actually there is, but they're very rare and you're better off not believing them when they tell you it's occasional)
 
I'm doubly concerned if it's being used via IV, for all of the physical risks that come with that ROA, like Hep C, HIV, other infections, missed shots, vein clogging, overdose, stronger addiction...
 
If the high only lasts 45 minutes, it’s not meth. That’s one possibility, but the excessive porn suggests it probably is, and he’s down-playing the amount of time he’s high to someone not that familiar with the drug. Spending a lot of alone time is also consistent with binging on porn - sometimes for hours on end - a common pastime for Meth users. It’s possible that he only uses once a week, but very easy to fool yourself that you have control and are not addicted. It’s a tricky drug that way, but easy to prove if you’re addicted or not simply by deciding not to use for an extended period - say 3 or 4 months. If you can do that, you have some semblance of control but if I were a betting man I’d wager he can’t go more than 2 or 3 weeks, and might even try to hide his use to prove a point if he can’t go that long. Meth addicts can be masters of rationalization, e.g. “I’m in control of this drug, but why should I stop using once a week when I’m having such a good time and not affecting my life negatively.”

I’ve been using via IV once every three weeks for 10 years. That might (or might not) sound like controlled use, but I consider myself addicted, because I have no intention of giving it up while logically knowing I should. I’m just lucky it hasn’t negatively impacted my life (so far). But every time I push the plunger I wonder if this is the one that will give me a stroke. Or that maybe I’ll get diagnosed with cancer in another 10 years. I’ve made peace with my decisions but hold out hope the novelty will continue to wear off as I age (it has to some degree) and I’ll eventually leave this drug behind.
 
Foreigner said:
Not for me, but for a friend who recently told me he's been IV'ing meth and jerking off to porn at least once a week. Claims he's not addicted. I'm skeptical.

This is one area I know nothing about. Assuming that IV tech is being done properly and dose is reasonable, what are the risks of this? He said "The high only lasts 45 minutes so I'm not worried." This is new behaviour for him. He's not a depressed type person but he does spend a lot of time alone.

Should I be worried? To me meth is meth and this is probably not going to end well.
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If your friend is opening up to you about their meth use and has said that this has been ongoing for a while, I'd be prepared to discover that they are downplaying the situation and very close to the edge of crisis. That you specifically mention him spending a lot of time alone is raising alarm bells too; meth's deteriorating effect on every aspect of life quality accelerates with isolation. And unfortunately the social, sexual and adventurous effects of meth wear off very early on in the addiction, but the users sense of satisfaction and confidence does not. This makes them not recognize and find difficult to understand how deep of a hole they're sinking into.

I've talked to a hundred and change current and past meth users, and I've never met one whose ROA is the needle, but only once a week. I won't say that it's impossible only because every once and a while I get reminded that I haven't seen it all. But I think if a friend of mine asserted that they had a use pattern like that I'd be prepared to gently gather more info, or prepare for them to open up and admit it's far far worse.

The good news is that your friend considers you a safe person to communicate with even as a non-user. That's huge because the way to drug isolates is through baseline fear and suspicion which eventually escalates into acute paranoia/delusions more and more frequently. Play out the situation cautiously, let them come to you unless you suspect serious immediate danger in which case initiating a gentle check in because you noticed they seem unwell can help guage where their head is at.

Directly setting up a framework where meth is the source of their problems will likely agitate and push them away unfortunately. A lot of meth users really tangle themselves up in deep seeded rationalizations that it can't be the drugs fault, it's bugs in the skin or telepathic computers or spiritual demons, or semi innocuous delusions like cutting agents that can't be identified by logic or obsessing about isomer content or "string dope" . Whatever hoops they have to jump through in their mind to make it genuinely impossible to see that meth is a garbage high that trains you to be stagnant selfish closed minded and feel like a genius, a victim, and just on the edge of breaking out into your dream life with that next project.

So try not to push, but treat every chance that you get to help him in the right direction as gold and make those moments count
 
Methamphetanonymous said:
If your friend is opening up to you about their meth use and has said that this has been ongoing for a while, I'd be prepared to discover that they are downplaying the situation and very close to the edge of crisis. That you specifically mention him spending a lot of time alone is raising alarm bells too; meth's deteriorating effect on every aspect of life quality accelerates with isolation. And unfortunately the social, sexual and adventurous effects of meth wear off very early on in the addiction, but the users sense of satisfaction and confidence does not. This makes them not recognize and find difficult to understand how deep of a hole they're sinking into.

I've talked to a hundred and change current and past meth users, and I've never met one whose ROA is the needle, but only once a week. I won't say that it's impossible only because every once and a while I get reminded that I haven't seen it all. But I think if a friend of mine asserted that they had a use pattern like that I'd be prepared to gently gather more info, or prepare for them to open up and admit it's far far worse.

The good news is that your friend considers you a safe person to communicate with even as a non-user. That's huge because the way to drug isolates is through baseline fear and suspicion which eventually escalates into acute paranoia/delusions more and more frequently. Play out the situation cautiously, let them come to you unless you suspect serious immediate danger in which case initiating a gentle check in because you noticed they seem unwell can help guage where their head is at.

Directly setting up a framework where meth is the source of their problems will likely agitate and push them away unfortunately. A lot of meth users really tangle themselves up in deep seeded rationalizations that it can't be the drugs fault, it's bugs in the skin or telepathic computers or spiritual demons, or semi innocuous delusions like cutting agents that can't be identified by logic or obsessing about isomer content or "string dope" . Whatever hoops they have to jump through in their mind to make it genuinely impossible to see that meth is a garbage high that trains you to be stagnant selfish closed minded and feel like a genius, a victim, and just on the edge of breaking out into your dream life with that next project.

So try not to push, but treat every chance that you get to help him in the right direction as gold and make those moments count
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He's gay and gay sex culture is super infested with rampant chemsex/meth use. So he is being validated by his gay tina using community, unfortunately. I do think he is in denial. Every single gay guy I've known who went the tina route ended up in really, really bad straits requiring rehab and long-term community support to stay sober.

I do not currently hang out with him, not because I'm specifically avoiding him, but because he is hard to reach. I think he's up to no good but I don't have much control over a 35 year old man.
 
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