Skydancer -- A Democratic Bluelight *see first post for link to Skydancer's response*

michael said:
of course it's a big deal. i hadn't replied yet because of a couple reasons, mostly because i didn't want anything to be construed as an 'official' opinion and also i wanted to not make any kind of a knee-jerk response to anyone. i will say that i think spencer has made the best post so far in this thread, and i pretty much agree with what TLB has written.
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Fair enough, i was just curious.
 
michael said:
of course it's a big deal. i hadn't replied yet because of a couple reasons, mostly because i didn't want anything to be construed as an 'official' opinion and also i wanted to not make any kind of a knee-jerk response to anyone. i will say that i think spencer has made the best post so far in this thread, and i pretty much agree with what TLB has written.
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michael,

I don't think you need to explain your self. You have been participating in discussions and are a living part of the Bluelight culture. :)

The real problem is the abscentee landlord issue.



starlightgemini said:
It's possible they haven't noticed it yet. I think they'd be likely to browse in the support forum or staff forum before they take the time to stroll into Second Opinion. If you want to ensure that they see it, you could always link them to it in a PM and hope they read your PM.

And I don't know either of them personally, therefore I can't say anything about either of their personalities. Most of these posts are stating disdain for Catch-22. Maybe he's just hesitating to respond because he's trying to figure out the best way to defend himself, or he feels that regardless of how he defends himself, the negative comments (however warranted) are going to continue.

Then again that might not be the case. I'm just saying... if it was me, thats how I'd feel.
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starlightgemini,

Hasn't anyone tried writing emailing Catch yet? I would have assumed that, at least, Skydancer would be aware of what is going on and would have emailed or phoned Catch to discuss this.

If we are just waiting for Catch to make an appearence this could go on for weeks. 8o
 
He should at least be checking his poll in EDD at some point (there are 5 days left to run on it by the way).

I've made an announcement thread asking for the opinions of former mods / old BLers etc. and a post in the poll thread in there both of which link to this one, so he should see those, I suppose :\

I assume the general email to all mods linking this thread will also have gone to him?
 
I lost any respect for the admins during the creation of Second Opinion, that replaced the Life forum - not in regards to whether it was the right thing to do but more the attitude - the way it was handled.

There was no discussion with the current mods, well none that I was privy to - it was basically, this is going to happen and no we won't listen to any opinions you might have. You have a choice to stay on in the new forum or leave. In my mind that was utter bullshit.

Coupled with the sackings of mods and the all new quota system that mods had to achieve, quashed any desire I had to mod there and then. There was some wanky discussion in the mods forum regarding this quota system which I thought was a waste of time, cause like anything, despite any other opinion, Catch would just go ahead and do what he pleases. I subsequently dropped all three mod positions I had.

I have had the pleasure as both a bluelighter and a mod to experience some of the most enthuasiatic and passion driven people I've come across - their thirst and knowledge for harm minimisation is second to none, their efforts to help this board grow cannot be matched. The saddening thing is to see these people banging their heads against the wall and ignored of any opinion.

I'm not sure what the perfect system is.... but its certainly not one run by people on some sort of power trip and with little to no regard to the well being of this board and the people that use it.

My 0.2c on how I saw things.
 
At first, I thought all this verbosity was pointless, How can people be so worked up about an internet forum? When I read more and more about the people here, I realise why. It's not actually an internet forum at all, but a system of support and information for thousands of people

Posters share knowledge, expertise, sympathy, distraction, a reason to carry on, or a reason to laugh, they meet up and have relationships outside their computers. This isn't unique to Bluelight.nu, but people here save real lives, in a much more effective way than any government-run drug support/prevention scheme could.

The principles of harm reduction seem pretty clear to me, and I think you all do a cracking job, from the lowly n00b asking an intelligent question, the fuckup who makes mistakes so you don't have to, to the chemists and counsellors, philosophers, the comedians, the flirts, and devil's advocates, the mods who wipe the skid marks off each forum, to the admins who try to keep a handle on this gargantuan torrent of ascii.

Some people stop taking drugs as they get older, some people take more. The pills are shitter, the skunk smells funny, your coke gets soaked in wd40. Like raves are never like they used to be, bluelight.ru will never be the same again.

Change is inevitable, for better for worse- The question is how commited are we to the people who need this site the most? Whether they need distracting, a virtual hug, or bio-molecular bumfluff...
 
Quite a bit to consider in all this.

Who sent out the e-mail to all the mods about this thread?
 
64tf said:
Who sent out the e-mail to all the mods about this thread?
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I don't think anyone did. At least, I can say that I did not receive an email, so nobody can say they sent out a mass email to ALL MODs.

Invalid Usename said:
starlightgemini,

Hasn't anyone tried writing emailing Catch yet? I would have assumed that, at least, Skydancer would be aware of what is going on and would have emailed or phoned Catch to discuss this.
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Anyone who strongly feels that they should be made aware of this should by all means make an attempt to make them aware of this. It's not the responsibility of anyone in particular. If you're so concerned that they see this, then by all means send them a PM. And maybe Sky and Catch are discussing this off of BL. You can't say that you know for sure that they aren't :)
 
^^Are you sure, I don't see the second opinion forum in the to list, but I'm guessing it's in the BCC.
 
64tf said:
^^Are you sure, I don't see the second opinion forum in the to list, but I'm guessing it's in the BCC.
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I am sure that I did not receive an email that was sent to all MODs.

But if someone did send an email to all forum MODs, I'm sure they realized it wasn't necessary to email myself or Chrissie, as we are obviously aware of all threads in our forum :)
 
^ Look, like I said, I don't know them, I don't have anything negative to say about either of them. I don't know what they're doing, I don't know if they've seen this thread or if they're discussing it. I guess I just feel like trying to stick up for them because in situations like this (where almost everyone is against someone) I feel like someone should defend them since they aren't here to defend themselves.

Sorry if you disagree with my reasoning.
 
Don't get so defensive. :D

I didn't say anything about you... didn't event imply it.

All I said was if that is the case then it is still a case of the problem trying to solve itself with the same failure strategy. :D

So please don't read into my post. k? :)
 
Invalid Usename said:
Don't get so defensive. :D

I didn't say anything about you... didn't event imply it.

All I said was if that is the case then it is still a case of the problem trying to solve itself with the same failure strategy. :D

So please don't read into my post. k? :)
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Sorry if I appeared defensive. Since you were quoting my posts, I assumed that you were in fact "talking to me", thats why I interpreted your posts the way I did.

No worries :)
 
Man, I feel bad for Skydancer.
This situation really needs to get sorted asap for everyone's sakes:( :( :(
 
My brief contribution to the thread:

I started reading Bluelight in '00 when I was only 14 years old and finally joining when I was 16. The board opened my eyes to this beautiful community that was full of interesting/caring/knowledgeable people. To this day, I still read even if I do not post as much because I hold this place very close to me. I have moved around a lot in the past few years and right here in yet another temporary dorm, I come back to bluelight almost every night to feel a sense of "home."

The point in which our current situation was becoming clear to me was when 'LIFE' was replaced by 'SECOND OPINION.' LIFE was perhaps the most emotionally driven forum in which I felt many users maintained that 'connection' even when the unity throughout the rest of BL began to deteriorate. As Haste mentioned, the process was quick, excellent moderators dropped, and questions were shot down with a "Get over it. Use the journals. Stop being so resistant to change." etc..

This was the point in which I realized that the higher up really couldn't give two shits about the people within the community. Such a special forum was gone, just like that. So many great people have left and its a shame.

Just adding my name to the list as well.
 
mariposa420 said:
I think a "Bluelight Rights and Responsibilities" (because with rights come responsibilities) is a fine idea.
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I think the idea of this got a little bit sidetracked. I am a fan of solution-oriented thinking. Maybe we could get somewhere, regardless of whether the senior administration remains the same, if some of us would like to brainstorm.

What are our rights as Bluelighters? What are our responsibilities? We need something that is flexible enough to apply to greenlighters with 5 posts through senior administrators, yet effectively defines the increased responsibility moderators, Sr. Mods and admins have.

I don't really have any public comment on the issue that I haven't already stated. Any of you who want to discuss drafting the rights and responsibilities, I invite you to PM, e-mail or catch me on AIM.
 
starlightgemini said:
^ Look, like I said, I don't know them, I don't have anything negative to say about either of them. I don't know what they're doing, I don't know if they've seen this thread or if they're discussing it. I guess I just feel like trying to stick up for them because in situations like this (where almost everyone is against someone) I feel like someone should defend them since they aren't here to defend themselves.
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I don't know if you've access or not, but going to someones profile and clicking "User Options" at the bottom takes me to a page with various information about the poster including the last time they posted and last time they were "active" (ie logged on). Its been over 4 days since Catch logged in, so either he's unaware, or he's relying on others to send him copies of this and the other threads in question.

I don't know which is worse, not being aware after 4 days or being aware but can't be bothered to come online to check? Of course he could be coming online logged out, but why would he do that? All it does is give the impression he's not coming online, which is a bad thing.
 
What i find most interesting about all of this, is that skydancer is the one who physically has the server, and he can do what he wants with it. Right? So in reality, he could just pull the plug just as easy as xtcxtc could stop giving money? If this is all correct, then it seems to me that you have two people who are sort of the "owners" of BL - xtcxtc and skydancer - they are the ones who should be talking about this, and then take it from there.

xtcxtc is obviously willing to talk, now i think skydancer has no choice in the matter, he has to respond or else xtcxtc could stop giving money. Thats what it comes down to, it is pretty simple really. There are pretty much two players in this game with any real power.

Not to make this out as a "game", i know it is a community and it should be handled by a community as everyone here has already said.
 
SoHiAllTheTime said:
What i find most interesting about all of this, is that skydancer is the one who physically has the server, and he can do what he wants with it. Right? So in reality, he could just pull the plug just as easy as xtcxtc could stop giving money? If this is all correct, then it seems to me that you have two people who are sort of the "owners" of BL - xtcxtc and skydancer - they are the ones who should be talking about this, and then take it from there.
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That is what Catch and Skydancer would no doubt prefer. What xtcxtc wants on the other hand is to make this a community decision, not yet another despotic move. He wants to gauge support and feedback before entering into any final discussions.

xtcxtc is obviously willing to talk, now i think skydancer has no choice in the matter, he has to respond or else xtcxtc could stop giving money. Thats what it comes down to, it is pretty simple really. There are pretty much two players in this game with any real power.
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I think the outpouring of support for xtc's plan has surprised them, they may well be planning some kind of response in private.

Not to make this out as a "game", i know it is a community and it should be handled by a community as everyone here has already said.
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Very true.

--- G.
 
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