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Skin-popping Codeine

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Capt. ChickenBone

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I've been consuming codeine (drinking it) fairly reguarly for a while now and I'd like to pop it (skin-pop).
I read the FAQ on shooting up, which though extremely helpful, isn't exactly what I'm looking for.
Here are some questions I'd like to get answered:
- is skin-popping codeine even worth the trouble?
- how exactly do you skin-pop? Do you just get the needle in under the first few layers of skin and inject or is there a certain depth you need to get to (I'm guessing there shouldn't be any blood). It's not too hard to pass a pin through my skin - but I imagine injecting so close to the surface wouldn't do any good.
- also, what about the relative dose? - I'm not asking for an exact number - what I want to know is: should I be popping half of what I usually drink or a quarter or even less or just as much - basically I'd like some idea as to the amount by which I should reduce the dose.
Thanks
 
Is it worth the trouble? Probably not. s.c. injection like you want to do won't give you any rush, it'll just hit slightly faster and be a slightly more efficient use of the drug. Not worth the risk/trouble/pain of injection IMO.
The intramuscular dose is about 60% of what you take orally, subcutaneous would be similar. So you see it's not that big of a gain.
You want to get underneath all the skin: if you pinch your arm you should be able to pull out a flap of skin, assuming you aren't too fat; that layer is what you want to get under. You can also shoot into a muscle.
 
Originally posted by Capt. ChickenBone:
thanks!
And, yes I'm well aware of the hazards of IVing codeine. And, no I have no intention of ever IVing codeine
What sort of codiene are we talking here? liquid extract, cough sizzurp, liquid tylenol w/codiene? You gotta be more specific about the codiene prep. Unless you have absolutly pure codiene, you should probably stick to drinking it. Even the cold water extract can leave some APAP in the final product.
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I usually get the generic otc apap w/codeine. I filter it using more or less the same process as listed on erowid (and coldwaterworld.com).
I agree there's probably some apap in the filterate.
That reminds me: is there any way to find out exactly what (and how much of it) is in the solution that you end up with after filtering?
Everytime I drink what I think is approx 200mg of codeine the back of my mind is calculating how much apap could potentially be in there.
As for popping I was curious to try but it seems its not worth the trouble.
 
You probably filter out the majority of the codeine, I'd guess 90% from my limited chemistry experience (eg I'm pulling this number out of my ass). You can safely do up to at least 8-10g of APAP at once, and 4-6g on a daily basis (though I don't recommend this). Less with alcohol. I don't know what the APAP/codeine ratio is for your tabs.
I wouldn't be that concerned about IV'ing a little acetaminophen (but don't IV codeine)... even IM'd, it's probably not particularly worse than the codeine. As the toxic product of APA is formed after exhaustion of a needed cofactor for its main metabolic pathway, it shouldn't really matter how fast you ingest it.
 
Originally posted by djthaddeus:
what otc are you getting that contains codiene? is that just in Canada, or can it be bought in the US as well?
I think that the 8/500 (tylenol #1) can be legally sold in some states otc in limited quantities, as long as your 18 and have ID, and sign a log, but I would put money on it that no pharmacy would carry them...You would have better luck getting Robo AC OTC. At anyrate, there are certain New Zealand online pharmacies that sell an array of OTC codiene products that will reliably ship to the US. IME, a box of 120 panadiene(8/500) cost about $12 USD. However, if you are gonna go that route, get some Nurofen Plus, and do the split trick. It's a hell of a lot easier and safer than cold water extraction. Also, the N+ tabs are 12.8 mg codiene per 200 mg ibuprofen. More codiene, and a less toxic counterpart. Who could go wrong?
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I honestly don't think it would be worth the problems - just put some flavor in your extract and down it, remember the awesome rate at which codeine is metabolized when takken orally - if you want to inject you also gotta factor how much codeine you have per volume of water - do you really want to pump 20cc of water under your skin? (thats only a guess, you could evaporate lots of water off but I still imagine you would need a fair volume) .. how could you definitivly tell how much you're extracting - well, you could get an IDEA by drying it to crystals (still, this is not totally accurate)
Also, the days of buying codeine OTC are behind us.. yes, as recently as the mid to late 1980's any adult could walk into a pharmacy, ask for some cough syrup with codeine, or some Tylenol with codeine - no prescription was needed .. they would give you the shit (within a reasonable amount too) and you would sign the narcotics register, swearing you wouldnt buy more within 30 days.. you could then walk out with your dope and hit the next pharmacy - of course you couldnt get more then like 12mg in a single pill so it's not like they could be used as-is, you had to cold-water the codeine, and you could then consume the extract and have a fun evening .. in some states I think laws still exist which provide for this - but I challenge EVEYONE to find a pharmacy that will still honor this... I know that every major chain (Eckards, Walgreens, CVS, etc..) forbids it, but might be able to find some mom-n-pop joint that has not had someone ask in the last 20 years - the worst they will do is say "no" ..
 
thanks for the advise guys.
Re: PhreeX's post:
In Canada Tylenol 1 (and generic brands) with Codeine are legal OTC - no prescription necessary. You don't have to sign any registers. I think ( I may be wrong ) that the pharmacist reserves the right to serve you. Basically if they don't like your looks they will refuse (its pretty fuckin' stupid but typical of the generally puritan populace). If you look like a contributing member of civilised society then there is no problem.
The pills have 8mg of Codeine, 15mg of caffienne (sp?) and 300mg of acetaminophen - so yea doing the cold water extraction becomes necessary.
 
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