Sinning, as Jesus and the church say, is good. Turn or burn Christians.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Evil is anything that goes directly against or opposes God/the word of God

Wrong, given the evil nature of the mainstream gods.

Only fools will believe in some supernatural god or that he put his words to anything.

We want to blame a god while ignoring that it is all man.

Regards
DL

 

[Deru]

Is a god who kills when he could just as easily cure a good god to you?

Which "god" has physically killed or cured anyone?

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

God in all His Sovereignty has let man choose his own path. What’s the point if you will not freely love Him by conscience choice.
Why God in the OT was like you say genocidal is because He didn’t want His chosen ppl mixed up with pretty much demons.

imagine life as a chess board. He makes the call on both ends. We the clay cannot and will not having any excuse on Judgment day.

Jesus suffered but could call 12 legions of Angels but chose to do His Father’s will.
Shedding His blood He made it possible that we as True Christians will suffer what He felt on the Cross. It is sanctifying us. Every lash and every tearing of His skin in our lives represents our pain.
I know before I got born again I felt an emptiness, longing for something and when I was convicted about Hell I did not turn back. Have I struggled w sin absolutely. Have I won battles yes. Satan has won many battles by blinding ppl the taken them out. But it really isn’t Satan if God is Sovereign, He is long suffering desiring NO one to perish, but He knows not every one called will be chosen, I’m not taking a chance on something I am more then convinced is real.

In the OT He showed them miracles but the Israelites always wondered. So He made a new Covenant. And His heart is now our heart. And when we speak it’s not us who are talking But Him.

everytime I ever got in trouble either w the law or doctors I spill the beans and the truth has always set me free. Trust me. I can count on His promises.

there are things on this side that we will never understand or even be able to comprehend. But He is good. Even when evil runs rampant God still remains His Awesome and Great self.

Mythos is inferior to logos.

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Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Which "god" has physically killed or cured anyone?

Go read your bible.



Regards
DL

 

[Deru]

Our interpretations of any claims of such will be severely differently interpreted by both of us, that's for sure.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

God in all His Sovereignty has let man choose his own path.

Does that include Jesus or his killers?

That story alone belies what you put as neither Jesus nor his killers had any choice.

Your bible says that Jesus did not volunteer. He was chosen and had no choice. That is why he kept saying he was doing the fathers will and not his own.

Stop saying that the WORD OF GOD lies, --- oh you of little faith.

If you are too lost to supernatural/fantasy thinking to follow such simple logic and reason, then you might want to ignore me.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Our interpretations of any claims of such will be severely differently interpreted by both of us, that's for sure.

Not the moral aspects. Not if you have half a brain.

If you think torturing a baby pointlessly the way Yahweh did for 6 days before murdering it, shame on your moral sense my friend.

Only literalist Christians generally have that putrid of a moral sense.

Not that the rest of us are that far behind.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Why God in the OT was like you say genocidal is because He didn’t want His chosen ppl mixed up with pretty much demons.

This is more about why you accept a genocidal prick as good instead of evil.

Where did the demons come from if not the sons of god as scriptures say?

Why did your Yahweh hate his own grand children?

Where was his parental love which would have him cure his children instead of kill them?

If you would follow Yahweh's lead, you would be quite the genocidal grand father yourself.

Say it isn't so buddy.

Regards
DL

 

[Gormur]

Wrong, given the evil nature of the mainstream gods.

Only fools will believe in some supernatural god or that he put his words to anything.

We want to blame a god while ignoring that it is all man.

Regards
DL

Yes the Bible is wrong

Wrong, given the evil nature of the mainstream gods.

Only fools will believe in some supernatural god or that he put his words to anything.

We want to blame a god while ignoring that it is all man.

Regards
DL

All right, I understand where you're getting that but the part about man doesn't make sense to me. I'm going by the Old Testament so I'm not wrong either. I'm just reading the words

 

[Deru]

Only literalist Christians generally have that putrid of a moral sense.

Not that the rest of us are that far behind.

Although I grew up Catholic, I have since adapted my own ideologies and belief system. I scrutinize it just as much as you, just from a different lens

 

[Deru]

Most all is assuming there to be spiritual or divine truth to scripture and most all make the supposition that there is a supreme being or creator and in spite of my background and upbringing I find it more difficult on a day-to-say basis of late to prescribe to any of this anymore.

^ This x100.

 

[deficiT]

OT God was quite brutal to the Israelites, but that was kinda the point of the NT, to put the old laws aside so that "salvation" could be offered to anyone who believed, loved their neighbor, and did good works. It doesn't cancel the brutality of the babylonian exile or the rest of the Hebrew Bible, and it's the same "God" and everything, but I still think Jesus was a righteous dude who preached a good philosophy, even if you remove the supernatural elements from it.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Yes the Bible is wrong
All right, I understand where you're getting that but the part about man doesn't make sense to me. I'm going by the Old Testament so I'm not wrong either. I'm just reading the words

All human to human evil and or sin is man made.

We follow our instincts and thinking. We would go extinct if we did not go both the goods and evils of our evolution.

We blame god and take out our frustrations against nature. Look at the planet.

The bible, a book of myths, tells us that if we want to perfect our wisdom, we have to get away from it.

Let's do.

Man has created all the gods and best to talk of their worth, at more of a reality position, instead of imaginary ones.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

Although I grew up Catholic, I have since adapted my own ideologies and belief system. I scrutinize it just as much as you, just from a different lens

My lens is morality.

What use is a religion that is inherently immoral?

What is your lens, and why?

Christians seem to lens on security of the person, to a point of just wanting an immoral genocidal prick of a god, --- who will kill the universe, --- for the so important Christian sheeple.

Christianity is selfishness and self centeredness gone berserk.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I am still here by the way and still with keen interest reading the different points of view and input and differences in beliefs and opinions.

Unfortunately though it seems I’ve reached a personal impasse on this thread and topic though. Most all is assuming there to be spiritual or divine truth to scripture and most all make the supposition that there is a supreme being or creator and in spite of my background and upbringing I find it more difficult on a day-to-say basis of late to prescribe to any of this anymore. Much as I would like for it to have turned out differently.

There are just too many things going on for me to believe in any benevolent God or gods (and here I am not even talking about violent acts of evil i.e. using such would be “no contest”).

But by all means keep the discussions going (not that you need my permission of course and it’s not my thread anyway). Who knows. Maybe somebody mentions something in a post and I see it and say to myself “never thought about it that way, makes sense, and I was wrong” (type of thing).

Thanks for the thread and the posts though (all).

One atta girl for you.

Rejection of the vile supernatural mainstream religions is the moral thing to do, --- especially for a woman, --- given that they are misogynous and homophobic.

Talk to your less astute/moral female friends.

Moral husbands will thank you.

Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

OT God was quite brutal to the Israelites, but that was kinda the point of the NT, to put the old laws aside so that "salvation" could be offered to anyone who believed, loved their neighbor, and did good works. It doesn't cancel the brutality of the babylonian exile or the rest of the Hebrew Bible, and it's the same "God" and everything, but I still think Jesus was a righteous dude who preached a good philosophy, even if you remove the supernatural elements from it.

He was better than his father but is still genocidal and positing poor moral tenets, like no divorce for women and substitutional punishment.

We can and have already done a lot better with Laïcité.

It is time to give Jesus some moral lessons. Not try to learn his more vile tenets.

Now if you were talking the Gnostic Christian Jesus that comes from scriptures, I would be all in for that Jesus. He has the best morals.

Regards
DL

 

[Gormur]

I look at religion as a way to explain what we already know. But to me religion is strictly about literature. No doubt there are other definitions of religion that get away from books and that's fine. I just don't know what they are and it seems pointless to speculate

Like you said, @Gnostic Bishop let's get away from our wisdom and just let it go

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I'm not questioning the authenticity of scripture in the historical sense.

I do not believe you, but just in case.

I hope you can see how intelligent the ancients were as compared to the mental efforts that modern preachers and theists are using with the literal reading of myths.

https://bigthink.com/videos/what-is-god-2-2

Further.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/03132009/watch.html

Rabbi Hillel, the older contemporary of Jesus, said that when asked to sum up the whole of Jewish teaching, while he stood on one leg, said, "The Golden Rule. That which is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the Torah. And everything else is only commentary. Now, go and study it."

Please listen as to what is said about the literal reading of myths.

"Origen, the great second or third century Greek commentator on the Bible said that it is absolutely impossible to take these texts literally. You simply cannot do so. And he said, "God has put these sort of conundrums and paradoxes in so that we are forced to seek a deeper meaning."

Matt 7;12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

This is how early Gnostic Christians view the transition from reading myths properly to destructive literal reading and idol worship.



Regards
DL

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

I look at religion as a way to explain what we already know. But to me religion is strictly about literature. No doubt there are other definitions of religion that get away from books and that's fine. I just don't know what they are and it seems pointless to speculate

Like you said, @Gnostic Bishop let's get away from our wisdom and just let it go

Not quite the message.

Seek Gnosis to perfect the wisdom at hand, is the message.

Is all you already know so worthless to you?

Retards
DL

 

[Gormur]

Not quite the message.

Seek Gnosis to perfect the wisdom at hand, is the message.

Is all you already know so worthless to you?

Retards
DL

I don't know what gnosis is. I just meant that one can let go of what others practise (rather than believe by default) while remaining wise to what's important