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Since when did Molly become a crisis?

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So I work in the healthcare field, sort of. I have been sent emails and seen posters and heard people discussing the drug "Molly", which is no different than extasy aside from it being a powder instead of a pill. I was led to believe molly was pure MDMA when I came across it many years ago, a bit less than 14 to be precise. The person my friends and I got all our "exotic" drugs from, I liked to call him our weekend-starter guy cause we saw him usually on Friday and usually got whatever drug we were getting messed up on that weekend (E, LSD, shroom, etc.). I just don't understand where all of sudden this stuff became some sort or issue, people have been dying from taking too much E for years now. Its funny to listen to people talk about the stuff likes it this foreign, crazy drug that is ripping through the streets and everyone is ODing on it. I chimed in and was just like, 'its suppose to be pure MDMA powder, which is what is in E that people take it for, but there is no guarantees its pure and E is almost certainly not pure". Even after explaining it, these people continue to banter ignorantly about it like its a mystery to the healthcare world, sorry its not 1995 anymore, everyone knows what MDMA is and what it does, I don't care what form it comes in.

Just like with any drug there is people who don't respect its powers and let it get the best of them. Even OTC medications are said to only be taken to a certain dose. The one time I chanced upon it our guy was a smart one, and a good guy. He told us its powerful stuff and don't do more than 2 of the gel caps he filled with the powder. He also told us by no means to snort the powder. He was a good guy to actually give HR advice to us, by no means a pusher of sorts.
 
This forum is for the posting and discussion of news articles. I think your thread might do better in Ecstasy Discussion.
 
Yeah in this forum it's usually gotta be an article to be a thread.

I'll try moving this to ecstasy discussion. That's the closest thing, since we don't have a Molly Discussion forum. We're talking about starting one up, you know, children need a place to learn about this new drug Molly.

That was a joke.
 
Because molly isn't MDMA anymore, it's a bunch of weird stimulants thrown together in an unsafe, untested, stim cocktail. This is killing people left and right.
 
"molly" is a crisis because the media says it is...they can pic any drug and play it up to be the devil anytime they are without real news or want to take attention away from real news. the real crisis today with respect to drugs is the same as it was 10, 20, 30, years ago...uneducated users
 
Because the media blew it out of proportion because a few irresponsible kids died from taking it.
EDM music is becoming mainstream, and because of that mdma is the new satanic drug mothers worry will corrupt their children.
Anything that can make parents scared is going to mean big fucking bucks for media companies.
Remember when it was marilyn manson and violent videogames like doom (lol) after the columbine shootings?
 
I think most people that are dropping dead are actually not ingesting "molly" as in MDMA. They are just getting some random research chemicals or mixing with other drugs. MDMA is not really that toxic when used alone.
 
all of the kids at my old highschool (went homeschool fucking hate 90% of them) used to always talk about it. Didn't know what the fuck they were taking. My friend actually gave me 2 pills and it didn't do shit. Seems to me like the majority around here is some fucking crushed up adderall.
 
I did have an article emailed to me through my employer, but it was from over a month ago and has since been deleted.

Toz said:
I think most people that are dropping dead are actually not ingesting "molly" as in MDMA. They are just getting some random research chemicals or mixing with other drugs. MDMA is not really that toxic when used alone.
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I don't remember the exact specifics about the article, but it stressed more the dangers of the purity level of MDMA rather than the chance of it containing adulterants. They did note that it may contain other drugs or chemicals, but not that this is the main issue. It is just clearly fear mongering and the name Molly has become cliche recently so the media has distorted it into being a huge crisis. Of course you take more than you should of something and its a risk, everything has its limits. I'd still say alcohol is 100x the health threat to youths in the US these days.
 
Because all the rappers and pop stars are doing it?

Honestly, the idea that powder ("molly") is purer than pressed pills ("ecstasy") is ridiculous. Whether it's a powder, pill, blotter, liquid or anything else, it's not hard to adulterate drugs. Molly is just a clever re-branding of an old drug that has allowed it to gain new life with a new generation.

With the movement of methylone from legal to black market, you can expect a shitload more methylone-laced "molly" in the future. People who stocked up when it was legal are now looking for a place to offload it. Who better than some naive 19-year-old ravers to buy it up?

Incidentally, the quality of methylone itself has gone down dramatically since the ban. I tried two post-ban batches and both felt like I'd swallowed tiny shards of glass :\

I BLAME THE DRUG WAR.
 
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Part of my brain dies everytime I hear somebody call MDMA "molly".
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THIS... MDMA to the experienced users should never be called molly again.... molly has slowly taken its name away from its origninated chemical... molly today is anything from methylone to bath salts... ever since my first music festival in 2011 at allgood, i have been to quite a few since then, and its so disgusting at how much crap is sold as "molly"... i distributed test kits for a fair price to people and of course i had to show most of them how to use the ez test kit tubes, and i honestly dont remember more than a handful of people who even had MDMA, none at high quality that is either.... this is why all the kids and weekend warriors are dying at these festivals.... it truely truely disgusts me, those who distribute bath salts as mdma, are murderers... simple as that.... not only are these substances more addicting, and capable to do on daily basis's, but some peoples brains end up wigging out on it...

there was a documentary on designer drugs, they sell this crap in gas stations, then people just put it in bags and bring it to concerts and festivals trying to make enough money to their next show or bag of weed.... this one kid had gotten addicted, and wigged out slitting his own throat, his dad saved him, but they found him the next day with a bullet in his head in the garage...

matt2012 said:
"molly" is a crisis because the media says it is...they can pic any drug and play it up to be the devil anytime they are without real news or want to take attention away from real news. the real crisis today with respect to drugs is the same as it was 10, 20, 30, years ago...uneducated users
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i hate to say it but your wrong, but at the same time your right, they will play any drug like that if they feel.... but this "molly" really is an issue, kids carried away on stretchers at my shows, and its all said to be from fake mdma..... they brought in an army of paramedics at electric forest 2012..... kids are just overdosing or have heart attacks or mixing with alcohol this and that.... just being arrogant drug users that dont really deserve to be taking drugs in the first place when they dont take simple precautionrary mesaures to even attempt education on what they put in their body... there will always be the wreckless warrior type drug user that theirs just no helping... but the chinese chemists just keep making new and new checmicals that is one molecule off from the first when they get illegalized.... They admitted they dont know if they are making it worse for the human body or not, they just know they are making lots of money off it... theres no time for human trial or testing on these drugs? they just ship em over to us when they are legal.
 
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RoyMunson said:
Have they?
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Yep. But not that many, relatively.

I don't necessarily buy the "cut = more dangerous" argument. The typical cuts (piperazines, stimulants like meth and caffeine, and methylone usually) are considered "less recreational". But many of them I think have a bit of a higher safety profile than MDMA.

There are some dangerous cuts out there (eg PMA/PMMA), but word seems to get around about those.

To me it's basically the media taking the relatively few deaths that happen and making a mountain out of a molehill. MDMA has been popular since the 1990s and electronic dance music has been popular since the 1990s, so I'm not sure who the reports are aimed at. People who have been hiding under a rock for the last 20 years? People with extremely short term memory?
 
Yep. But not that many, relatively.
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The amount of people who have died (or even have come into any sort of harm) compared to how many people that use the drug, or have used the drug worldwide would be minute.

Most people who are coming into harm or death seem to be either abusing the drug badly or are having adulterated versions of the drug.

Loads of people who have been using the drug (molly, E's whatever) for 5 yrs or less are -

1) not getting mdma alot of the time, but various RC's and other shit and 2) abusing the drug by taking 3 or more pills in a night plus often taking many other drugs like meth and cannabis etc, and then wondering or whinging why they feel so shit and are coming into harm or feel so depressed. Do they not realise they are mayby getting MDPV or methylone or meth or who knows what, it doesnt matter if its in a pill or a powder or crystals.

Generally the late 80's, 90's and even the early 00's there was alot more real mdma being sold, now with so many cheaper RC's and it being so easy to obtain them from places like China with the internet we are seeing more and more fuckwits pressing shit pills and passing powder off as molly.

Most of this has been said above. Sux for people who started using MDMA (or what they thought was MDMA) from 2005 or later, and on top of that so many people abuse the hell out of it by taking 3 pills or more in a night and other drugs on top and dont test what they are taking, no wonder we are seeing or hearing about more people having a whinge about how bad molly is and how badly it has ruined THEIR life.

I think alot of the older generation, like myself know many many people who have used MDMA (when it mainly was MDMA too) in moderation for many yrs (even way over a decade) with no instances of harm or negative effects and have gone onto live a very happy and healthy and successful life. It's sad for the people of the last 5 yrs or so that they get screwed so bad, it's not worth the risk, unless you are willing to test everything you purchase. And also if you are prepared to do it in moderation, not fucking 3 pills in a night, you should only need 1 or two pills if it is decent MDMA and a decent amount in the pill.

Test test test. Reagent test kits are not expensive, buy one if you haven't got one already and intend to buy powder or pills.
 
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^^^ last sentence couldn't stress it enough.... dont put anything in your body that you really are not sure what chemical it really is... ive seen kids die first hand from od of the imitation drugs too many times at shows...


its really disheartening knowing that the general public of idiocracy ruins the scene for all the mature, smart users that are the base of the scene.

i dont think ever since i strated experimineting with it i ever took a bad pill or a bad shard in my life due to my extreme caution...
 
It's because of that girl from Electric Zoo that overdosed. She was reported to have taken 6 hits of molly and collapsed. Since the incident was publicized, people are NOW freaking out over it, when people have been having molly-related deaths for decades.
Many consider 6 hits to be a little excessive; I've done more, I can't really bash her for that.
But her problem most likely was the fact that she had probably gotten something that wasn't pure MDMA, there are many drugs circulating that are sold as MDMA, such as 2C-I, methylone, etc.
I've done quite a bit of methylone and was fine, but you can overdose on 2C-I if you're not careful.

At the end of the day, it's the power of the media. Most people believe whatever their television screen tells them.
I'll bet that some still believe that the MDPV face-eating incident was a result of LSD.
 
deathlol said:
At the end of the day, it's the power of the media. Most people believe whatever their television screen tells them.
I'll bet that some still believe that the MDPV face-eating incident was a result of LSD.
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Funny that the "bath salts" face eater turned out to have nothing but THC in his system. (Psychosis actually can happen *gasp!* without chemicals at all.)
 
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