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Simple test for caffeine adulteration?

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catfud

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I posted the following on the DanceSafe site and nobody has replied yet. Can any Bluelighters help with this one?
The recent glut of Blue VL pills is just the latest in a series of "caffeine boosted" pills that are going around - wherein a small amount of MDA or MDMA is mixed with a larger dose of caffeine. The results seem to be a strong roll and a very nasty comedown.
I notice that the National Institute of Justice chart does not mention caffeine. Does anyone know about a simple reagent test for caffeine contanimated pills or caps?
[ 12 May 2002: Message edited by: catfud ]
 
I'll have a look, but if it is mixed with a lot of MDxx it's likely that any reagent test will be useless, as the MDxx reaction will mask anything else.
 
These pills he's speaking of are in the neighborhood of 10 or 20 to 1 caffiene to MDA. It seems to be a VERY powerful combination. Blue VL's and tan Mercedes are two of the most recent. I've tested the VL with a marquis tester and it turned very slow to black. It was also VERY VERY powerful and very harsh comedown.
 
er no, that is incredibly bad logic. look at what the person said above. they said it was powerful, and contained MDA. Nothing in that statement should lead you to assume that caffeine makes you "roll your ass off". MDA is often a powerful experience for people who are more used to MDMA, and the reference to bad comedown is either because of that, or the fact that a high dose of caffiene will probably do that.
 
I have had both the blue vl's and the tan mercedes...not only did they last a long time and make me roll my ass off they did have a shitty comedown and also they were very hallucinogenic..I do believe there is some chemical in them that made it seem like I was on acid or AMT..has anyone else experienced this with these pills?
 
Originally posted by johnboy:
er no, that is incredibly bad logic. look at what the person said above. they said it was powerful, and contained MDA. Nothing in that statement should lead you to assume that caffeine makes you "roll your ass off".
no, it is not bad logic.
what was actually stated is that there was a small amount of mda/mdma and a large amount of caffeine, which still produced a badass roll.
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no amount of MDA was mentioned only the ratio between it and the caffeine. you can make assumptions from that, i guess, but i wouldn't.
all i am trying to do is to stop a myth before it gets started. all it takes is for one person to see this and go "hey everyone, if you take lots of caffiene you roll harder" which has never been proved, or even indicated by any real tests, and is in fact quite a dangerous assumption. if someone with a pre-existing heart condition decides to follow this "advice" they could very well end up dead.
[ 21 May 2002: Message edited by: johnboy ]
 
Originally posted by johnboy:
all i am trying to do is to stop a myth before it gets started. all it takes is for one person to see this and go "hey everyone, if you take lots of caffiene you roll harder" which has never been proved, or even indicated by any real tests, and is in fact quite a dangerous assumption. if someone with a pre-existing heart condition decides to follow this "advice" they could very well end up dead.
with that, i agree.
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That's why I asked. I wanted feedback. Not to neccesarily find a way to roll my ass off. I do that already without caffeine.
It doesnt seem to me like there would be much synergy going on with the two.
 
"I've tested the VL with a marquis tester and it turned very slow to black"
So the non-typical Marquis reaction already indicates something shady with those.
Some further testing with Simons and Robadope may have given more indications about the contents of these pills.
aj
 
I have to agree that the caffeine can't be the thing here. I wish DDL would get samples of some more experimental chem's, there's gotta be something fishy with these. It's outrageous that they are becoming popular.
Yes, we can't make assumptions about the quantities of the substances in these pills, but I think the estimate ecstasydata gives in one of the pill descriptions (I believe their guess was something like 5 mg. MDA, 60 mg. caffeine) seems reasonable. So what else is in there?
[ 03 June 2002: Message edited by: djfriendly ]
 
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