simple mescaline question

[Soysmoke]

Six days ago i started a extract of 84 grams of Peruvian Torch powder, from a trusted vendor, using denatured alcohol. due to having family over i was unable to do the second pull until today. im going to let this pull sit for three days then do another for the same amount of time. so about 12 or 13 days and 3 pulls.

now ive never had a mescaline trip but i have had many large dose 2ce trips, the most being 80mg with a handful of other things, and two allylescaline trips, one oral and one IV'd, both of unknown weight.

im looking for a heavy trip but im not sure how far out my extract will get me. i know its hard to guess on the alkaloid content of the cacti without trying it before hand. but what kind of ball park would i land in with this style/time of extract? im asking in terms of yield % by weight and what kind of dose would that be.

id love to hear if anyone has tried this extract before. how much you used and what you got out of it. or if you have any idea what im gonna end up with even if its just a guess id like to hear it.

 

[perpetualdawn]

Wow, 80mg of 2ce, are you sure? From what I've read, 20-30mg is about as high anyone seems comfortable with, beyond that seems like it's getting into pretty sketchy territory. My single experiment with 2ce was <1mg, and gave me definite threshold effects, but 2ce seems to vary a lot from person to person. If you really are accustomed to such high doses, I would be surprised if your Peruvian Torch extract is going to give you the heavy trip you're seeking.

Also, I'm sorry for coming off like I'm scolding you here, but in the interest of harm reduction: IVing an unknown weight of allylescaline sounds extremely dangerous, please precisely measure any RC you consume, especially if you IV it! For your own sake, and for the RC community so that we can all learn from you

I've only ever eaten San Pedro raw a couple of times, which is challenging because of it's intense bitterness. When I ate what I estimate was about 200-300g of wet cactus (which was the limit of what I could get in at that time without gagging it up), both times were mild but extremely profound trips that I will never forget. I'm not sure what % of a wet cactus is water, or how much mescaline you would loose during the extraction process to give you any insight beyond that.

 

[perpetualdawn]

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_article1.shtml has some good data on mescaline content of some samples of dried T.Peruvianus. There is a chart listing percent mescaline found in T.Peruvianus (Peruvian Torch) and T.Pachanoi ranging between 0-2.375%. So your extract from 84g dry cactus could contain 2g of mescaline, which would be a whopping, unpleasant, ass kicking dose. But it could be much much less, or even more.. there's no way to know really, so you should test it out slowly. If it was me, I would take 1/10th of your extract first, to play it safe.

 

[Kapitan]

I've extracted mescaline a few times. The highest mescaline content I've seen is about 3%. The lowest was about 0.5%. There's no way to know, really. I'm not sure that I'd take the entire thing -- but, then again, I wouldn't even take half of that 80mg 2C-E dose.

 

[Soysmoke]

Wow, 80mg of 2ce, are you sure? From what I've read, 20-30mg is about as high anyone seems comfortable with, beyond that seems like it's getting into pretty sketchy territory. My single experiment with 2ce was <1mg, and gave me definite threshold effects, but 2ce seems to vary a lot from person to person. If you really are accustomed to such high doses, I would be surprised if your Peruvian Torch extract is going to give you the heavy trip you're seeking.

Also, I'm sorry for coming off like I'm scolding you here, but in the interest of harm reduction: IVing an unknown weight of allylescaline sounds extremely dangerous, please precisely measure any RC you consume, especially if you IV it! For your own sake, and for the RC community so that we can all learn from you

In no way do i feel scolded by your post. i know IVing anything in such a way is dumb and really unsafe, all i can say for myself is i was at a low point. i wish i would of known the weight cuz it was a good dose and i wish i could really shed some light on a very useful compound..

about the 2ce im sure it was the dose i said for i weighed it myself and it had been lab tested so there was no doubt for me what it was or how much it was. i always found any dose light of 35mg was weak. the magic didnt really start (for me) till about 50+mg. the "sweet spot" if you will being, no more then 68mg with no other compounds in the mix. most RC's do act weird for me though. i find more magic in 2ce then i do from mushrooms and lsd, while 2ci and 2cp dont do anything for me but make me puke but thats besides the point of this thread.

i do plan on taking a tester dose to gauge the end product, no worries about that. but in the end i most likely will go for a stronger dose. im looking to learn from this trip seeing that it could very well be my last one. ive always learned more from the visions, then the head space, i gain from teachers such as DMT (both ayahuasca and smoked nndmt) and 2ce. and from what ive read the CEV's and OEV's are powerful at a mid-strong doses and are very insightful.

my friend once told me of his mescaline trip from years past.. he said eat till you cant eat anymore, and if you dont puke you didnt eat enough. he reached ++++ and was healed by his spirit animal while walking the Arizona desert. he ate raw cactus while ill have an extract and he had a guide while ill be going solo. i have the chance to take a spirit walk so i do plan on walking a very unused trail leading to the desert. but if i go solo i dont plan on eating as much as he made claim.

thank you all for your post they do help. anymore insight is still more then welcomed

 

[Ismene]

I'd try actually drinking the stuff first soy. I was always thinking about "How heavy shall I trip on mesc"..untill I actually took my first sip when I gipped, retched and vomited the stuff back into the glass with a long trail of cactus snot from my lips to the vomit.

Mescaline is very, very gentle and nowhere near DMT/LSD/psilocybin psychedelia wise. It's great for music and walking.

 

[Soysmoke]

^^ by "drinking the stuff first" do you mean brew tea with it? surely you couldnt mean drink the extract.. i used all the cacti i got in the extract which should end up coming out as a goo of sorts. im doing an extract cuz i know my guts wouldnt handle tea or plant matter that well. if i get sick, i get sick. i know this comes with the territory but ive wreck myself with far to many different things and now i have a hard time keeping most psychoactive componds down.

not sure why the change. but after the first time i puked from mushrooms, first time in the many years id been eating them, it hasnt been the same when eating anything. so why not avoid that mix of "cactus snot" and vomit as you say and go for the easier to keep down extract?

 

[Ismene]

An alcohol extract didn't make much difference for me - still made me vomit and you still have to drink quite a bit of it. A full A/B extaction is the way to go if you can - absolutely no nausea at all that way.

 

[Soysmoke]

i have no doubt ill still get nausea from my extract. ive done many A/B extracts of mimosa hostilis and one for mushrooms, both worked great but i wanted to give a alcohol extract a shot. plus i already had everything i needed for it. just dipped in to my uncolored fuel supply for my fire poi. if i ever find myself with more cacti i will no doubt do A/B extract.