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Opioids Similarity of Tramadol to Subutex ?

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I tried google'ing beforehand for this info, but couldn't find specific experiences on what people think between the 2 drugs.

my issue : i've been trying to get on Subutex for 3 months now...but with all the requirements to get on the drug, I said F it....i'll just keep going to the pain management doc. to get my dilaudid. (they want a print up from all my pharmacies of all the drugs i've been for the last 3 months, they require to visit a psych doctor atleast once a week, and all kinds of other crap)

just one example of why our society is so screwed up, when it's easier to get on dilaudid ...then subutex.

anyway, thankfully my pain doc is able to prescribe me Tramadol...but not subutex, since he doesn't have the certification or whatever prescribe that.

my question for people that have been on both (tram and subutex).... is, is it a huge difference between the 2 drugs or not? Is there slightly more euphoria or feel good with subutex or no? The good thing about Tramadol, is it really helps my opiate withdrawal pretty significantly...plus it's decent for helping my spinal pain. but otherwise it's pretty boring.

any help is much appreciated.
 
Sub are different from tramadol in a few ways. You said the tramadol works, but it's boring? What are you looking for exactly from subs?
 
They are totally different drugs. Tramadol is much much weaker than bupe too. Despite bupe only being a partial agonist, it's still way stronger than tramadol, which is really the weakest opiate there is.
 
I don't understand when you guys say it's 'stronger'. in which way ?

basically I just want that 'void' feeling in my head to go away. Kind of like satisfying the urge, filling that void of not wanting dilaudid I guess is the best way of explaining it.
 
I've been prescribed all three of the meds you are talking about. But I guess I don't really understand what you are looking for.

Yes, there is a huge difference between tramadol and subutex. It sounds like you've been taking dilauded for awhile, therefore you are not opiate naive. So subutex is not going to be euphoric for you. It will, however, curb any withdrawal you are having. I'm not sure how euphoric tramadol could possibly be if you've been taking dilauded, though.

The one thing tramadol may afford is a jittery or speedy feeling that is akin to a mild stimulant. But tramadol is literaly the weakest opiate I can think of aside from a low dose of codeine--even a low dose of codeine would be more exciting and enjoyable than tramadol.
 
Bupe isn't meant for or imo supposed to be used for recreationally...it's addictive floor one, two it's meant to get ppl off if opiates abd live a sober life. I'd be more open if I understood your intentions better. If you want to get h high,, party whatever subs aren't the way to go at all. Theirs really no comparison honestly
 
Yep I have used bupe recreationally before and it is not really good, just long lasting and potent as fuck. Many friends of mine who had done heroin but were not addicted, tried a half strip of bupe and puked for hours and hours. And one of those friends and myself have taken tramadol before, me up to 300mg ( don't do this: I'm lucky I didn't seize) and IMO it wasn't as strong as 1mg of buprenorphine. Keep in mins I am not a good metabolizer but my friend is and he would likely puke on bupe but 150mg of tram got him high ( this one gets high on 5-10mg of hydrocodone lol I fucking wish my tolerance was like that)
 
In my not so humble experience, the only real similarity is that they are both long-acting, especially if you are comparing them to hydromorphone. Tramadol can give you a nice buzz for a couple days in a row. Bupe will not give you this nice buzz, but you can maintain a better "nice feeling" over the course of long term use. Tramadol seems to stop giving much of a feeling altogether if you attempt long term use.
 
Chinggis said:
In my not so humble experience, the only real similarity is that they are both long-acting, especially if you are comparing them to hydromorphone. Tramadol can give you a nice buzz for a couple days in a row. Bupe will not give you this nice buzz, but you can maintain a better "nice feeling" over the course of long term use. Tramadol seems to stop giving much of a feeling altogether if you attempt long term use.
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thx, probably best explained here. ^

Since I don't know what type of feeling Subutex gives, this is why I asked. I'm looking for the 'nice' feeling to fill the void....without being high. When people say it's such a strong antagonist, I don't know what that means or feels like. It makes it sounds like it's a high, but nobody says bupe makes you feel high.

watcha guys think about my initial post about Sub seemingly harder to get than pain pills itself ? a lot more nanny-steps it feels like.
 
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I find it weird that you said sub is harder to get, because most people say the complete opposite. It's very easy to gets scripted bupe.. there are tons of suboxone doctors out there, and many of them will write just about anybody a script who claims to be an opiate addict, with almost no proof. Suboxone has flooded the market. It's all over the streets, people are selling them, doctors are way over prescribing it, etc. So I find it odd you saying it's hard to get.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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I find it weird that you said sub is harder to get, because most people say the complete opposite. It's very easy to gets scripted bupe.. there are tons of suboxone doctors out there, and many of them will write just about anybody a script who claims to be an opiate addict, with almost no proof. Suboxone has flooded the market. It's all over the streets, people are selling them, doctors are way over prescribing it, etc. So I find it odd you saying it's hard to get.
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maybe i'm requesting it from the wrong doctors then. I thought bupe's could only be prescribed by pain clinics or mental health recovery clinics? are family docs able to prescribe them as well, or no ? The stuff I read said that only docs that went through special training for these meds could prescribe them. Such as pain docs, etc.

knowing what type of docs could prescribe these would help me in my quest. from my personal experience, i've found it much more difficult to get a script for bupes.
 
john24 said:
maybe i'm requesting it from the wrong doctors then. I thought bupe's could only be prescribed by pain clinics or mental health recovery clinics? are family docs able to prescribe them as well, or no ? The stuff I read said that only docs that went through special training for these meds could prescribe them. Such as pain docs, etc.

knowing what type of docs could prescribe these would help me in my quest. from my personal experience, i've found it much more difficult to get a script for bupes.
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Go to the suboxone website and use the "find a doctor" search. Only doctors who are certified for it can prescribe it. There are suboxone doctors.. you can't get it from your GP or just any random doctor.
 
I'm still pretty confused as to why you want to go into subs...these kinda things rub me the wron g way.....There are plenty of people that actually need out, wait on lists to into a program most of the time.due to the patient to Dr. limit. I get irritated bc to me it's selfish to take up a space that you don't legitimately need. Like people abusing the welfare system
 
darriensmum said:
I'm still pretty confused as to why you want to go into subs...these kinda things rub me the wron g way.....There are plenty of people that actually need out, wait on lists to into a program most of the time.due to the patient to Dr. limit. I get irritated bc to me it's selfish to take up a space that you don't legitimately need. Like people abusing the welfare system
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OP is prescribed Dilaudid and wants to switch to Suboxone. This idicates that OP has a problem with opiates and wants help. Suboxone and methadone ain't for everyone, but they have saved a bunch of lives and allowed many more to live a normal life.
 
I'm all for subs, I'm personally on them. I admit I'm confused about the mixed signals at least to me, . Op, I wanted to get on them but it w was too much hassle, what's the euphoria if any etc. That's why I asked, and of course my answer is filling in the answer I didn't get. I 100% support subs fit getting sober, I've got almost two years clean being them myself.
 
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