Shrooms & Planetarium 1st time trying them

[poppywonderland]

My 24th birthday is coming up. I LOVE cosmology and physics. I want to try shrooms for the 1st time at a low dose with a friend that has done them for years and have a trip sitter. The only time I have tipped was when someone gave me dmt from a phish show that they brought back and they thought it was dope. So they said that's your department here. I snorted it to soon realize what it was. Since they were told it was dmt. Anyways I was always scared for tripping since my dad is a paranoid schizophrenia and it's possible he got it by becoming stuck in a permanent psychosis from lots and lots of acid. Given the family history is it very risky of my to do shrooms and have the same fate? If my chance of having this occur is not much higher if higher than the common population how can I prepare myself to have the right mindset for a good trip?

thanks! This is really not anything I know a lot about. I decided I want to try it for fun and because I have crippling migraines with aura and tension headaches and I know under medical supervision they do use a really low dose and it has been scene to break the cycle. Plus the aura makes me trip a bit anyways!

 

[whippa craka]

Nothing your saying poses an immediate risk. I would say the DMT you did was far more damaging in terms of schizo later on. Nobody can prepare your mindset but you. If you need to come onto this forum to feel ready then you probably aren't. As far as health goes, you seem to be in the clear unless there's something your not telling us (for spread doses/not daily/weekly).

 

[Survived Abortion]

I wouldn't worry about the 'paranoid schizophrenic' thing. Psychedelics won't make you paranoid schizo; society and it's demented ideas is what does that to people. Some people have difficult experiences, yes, and a powerful trip has the potential to catalyze a "spiritual emergency" as it is called. However, this is only due to the circustances in which we find ourselves in our daily lives, and thus the set and setting of your trip. Psychedelic trips have the potential to go either way, and so they also have the potential to open you up to bliss untold. The overwhelming majority is that of great, wonderfully beneficial outcomes, since that is what our mind, body, and soul seeks at the ultimate level.

So please, don't be fearful of psychedelics. They are not, as some would have you falsely believe, a route to madness. Psychedelics are probably the most neutral class of psychotropic drugs; it is your mind that does the work, psychedelics open the gate.

Tripping at a planetarium sounds like an absolutely splendid idea. It is sure to get you thinking in grander ways. You may also want to try actually tripping under a starry sky one fresh night. It is most liberating!! :D

Wishing you a merry trip

 

[Ismene]

I'd stay indoors for your first trip. Once you get used to the feeling by all means take them outside but the last fucking thing you need is to be in public and not able to control yourself. Meeting policemen isn't that much fun when you're tripping.

 

[poppywonderland]

Thank you for your advice. I am not really scared of tripping actually. I just wanted to know if I had a highly increased risk of mental illness from my family history. There are reports actually of people with schizophrenia (children) being successfully treated with LSD and Psilocybin. I found that interesting. The only other things that I can think of that may pose a problem is if Psilocybin interacts with sumatriptan (highly unlikely in my thinking), Lyrica (possibly since it's mechanism isn't fully understood) or welbutrin (not sure it is a dopamine reuptake inhibitor I am not conerned about seizure risk from this med because it really just has a bad rep since it has been reintroduced in lower dosages it's only 1% higher than other antidepressants which are not labeled as highly increasing the seizure threshold) but I take it with sumatriptan and Psilocybin works in a similar way), Soma (unlikely unless mushrooms lower the seizure threshold since soma does) and last I take clonidine ( but that might actually be helpful since it would prevent me from getting some of the possible physical effects) . It might aggravate my nerve pain, I am not sure there are no studies that I can find to get an idea. I have nerve pain that radiates throughout my whole body it's like having the worse sun burn ever. Maybe it could help that would be nice. Would it be too much stimulation to listen to music while watching the show? I really want to experience synesthesia. Oh and I actually loved the DMT. I ended up doing the rest of it and my ex got so mad saying a ruined his "only chance" he was on mushrooms at the time though so it's not like he needed both!

 

[Mitchi]

my ex got so mad saying a ruined his "only chance" he was on mushrooms at the time though so it's not like he needed both!

Lol, poor guy

 

[poppywonderland]

Lol, poor guy

ahahahhaha poor guy nothing! I can get it for him now but hes too cheap and hes marrying some girl he thought was me that brought him home with her when me and him were having a fight. we were together 7 years. AND i forgave him and i am still friends with him and her even though at 1st she hated me because i was a major threat. but now we all play nice.

 

[Cyanoide]

In the late 90's and early 2000's I destroyed my mental health with partying every weekend with copious amounts of speed (sometimes rarely meth), MDMA and cocaine. I used a lot of GHB and cannabis too, but I don't think they had that much impact on my mental health as the other "party drugs". Back then I also used LSD and shrooms (plus some RC's, mostly 2C-I and 5-MeO-DiPT) ocassionaly and it was definitely something very different from the others. When my impending mental breakdown came, I got 4 diagnoses at the same time (panic disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, obsessive-compulsive disorder and moderate depression). While there certainly were some genetic factors that triggered the mental illnesses, my horrendeously irresponsible use of MDMA was the worst factor. After becoming sick, I did no drugs for 7 years, just heavy medication and therapy.

It wasn't until my psychiatrist recommended me mindfulness and meditation I began to have an interest in exploring the mind and drugs again. But not just any drug. I remembered from my psychedelic trips in the past that the they were different. There wasn't any nasty comedown from LSD or shrooms. The experiences were deep and blissful. I was just too deep in the hedonistic partying to realize their potential. After many years of severe mental illness, I had got to a point where I could live a quite normal life. And as I was exploring the mind (through meditation, yoga, reading etc), I remembered the psychedelics. I knew they could be utilized as tools to explore your mind. So I started using psychedelics again, and IME they have hugely helped me with realizations that even years of psychotherapy couldn't do. Psychedelics opened my mind to the subconscious, to feelings and thoughts the heavy medication I took several years had suppressed. I have encountered many hard things on introspective trips, tripping has not always been fun, but the trips have (almost) always thought me something new about myself.

One could obviously wonder why start taking psychedelics when you're finally feeling mentally quite OK, since there always are risks with psychedelics. The worst case scenario could have been a return to the dark years of mental illness. But I always used them with a purpose. The purpose can be many different things. Personally I've been focusing much on tripping alone, i.e. introspective tripping. But I've also tripped with a good friend of mine and had shared experiences that has increased my life quality. Mental illness or a (family) history of mental illness is not necessarily a recipe for disaster when it comes to psychedelics. I know feel better mentally than ever since my mental breakdown. Psychedelics have played a part in this, although they are not some magic medicine that instantly will heal you. But they are tools that can be utilized for processing problems in life. A tool. There are many other tools that are equally good or better. But I stand as a living example that psychedelics in fact can cure and heal, while using them with the respect they deserve.

Edit: My bottom line is a history of mental illness in your family (my brother who does not use any drugs got a severe psychosis a few years ago) is not an automatic barrier to psychedelics. But thread lightly. Follow Erowid's golden rule. Know your Body - Know your Mind - Know your Substance - Know your Source.