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Shrooming without wanting the "revelations"?

Shrooms will kick your butt if thats the attitude you take them with... that just pisses them off. They WANT to show you and teach you
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Mushrooms do not get angry, nor do they have desires. They are fungi, they are not capable of these things.

leave the potent Shaman's drugs to those who really want them, not fraidy-cats.Come on.... step up... have a little courage... envision yourself a powerful Indian Brave on a Vision Quest, and everything will be just fine!
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"fraidy-cat"? How old are you? Wanting to be a big macho man is possibly one of the worst reasons to take a psychedelic drug. OP, don't worry about impressing anyone, if you do decide to take mushrooms do it at your own pace. Personally, I find a low dose of mushrooms to be very recreational. If you want to pursue a more intense trip, you have all the time in the world to do so.
 
Hmm... of course mushrooms do not have emotions. But to say that a desire to take mushrooms but not experience the psychedelic cognition they can produce will make them 'angry' and 'kick your butt' is a colourful and metaphorical way of expressing a more reasonable claim, I think: that taking an unpredictably mind-altering and potentially challenging drug without an openness, at least, to what it can offer in that respect (even if you're mostly in it for the fun and recreation - which is fine, much of my psychedelic use is 'for fun') can lead to unpleasant and negatively challenging experiences.

Just like rich food can 'disagree' with you, even though food doesn't hold opinions.

ETA: And yeah, as surf.shaman says, there's no way of guaranteeing a purely sensory, non-cognitively-psychedelic experience; so really, I think you have to be open to the possibility of 'revelations' (in the OP's terms) if you don't want to risk getting your metaphorical arse metaphorically kicked, metaphorically by the 'shrooms.

- An analogy: you might want to see the beautiful sights of Burma, but avoid seeing anything upsetting or challenging. Fair enough, you might manage it, but it would be silly not to be prepared for, and accepting of, the possibility that your visit won't all be prettiness and fun. (Burma, in this analogy, is serving as 'those parts of your mental experience that mushrooms may give your conscious self access to'.)
 
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For pleasant experience, I advocate a long walk in a country setting.

Something about movement makes it better for me.
 
to say that a desire to take mushrooms but not experience the psychedelic cognition they can produce will make them 'angry' and 'kick your butt' is a colourful and metaphorical way of expressing a more reasonable claim
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Sure, but I have an inkling that Dwayne wasn't being figurative.
 
Yerg said:
Mushrooms do not get angry, nor do they have desires. They are fungi, they are not capable of these things.


"fraidy-cat"? How old are you? Wanting to be a big macho man is possibly one of the worst reasons to take a psychedelic drug. OP, don't worry about impressing anyone, if you do decide to take mushrooms do it at your own pace. Personally, I find a low dose of mushrooms to be very recreational. If you want to pursue a more intense trip, you have all the time in the world to do so.
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Sorry if that offended anyone, Oh I am OLD, but that was intended to sort of goad the poster into working up the inner courage to have a proper trip.

Yes, I know shrooms do not have a mind or conscious intention of their own... as invert said it was was a colorful way of using language to emphasize a point. I WAS being metaphorical (but I do know that that some scholars like McKenna and others really were convinced that the fungi especially are somehow linked to some actual transcendental "Plant Spirit" that taking the drug can cause to manifest inside your brain/mind. Havent you people read anything by any of the psychedelic pioneers? Maybe it's time you do that before wishing to have nice easy recreational trips without tripping.

And there is no intent to suggest anyone take psychedelics to be a "macho man", rather that if you want to take them but avoid being challenged mentally in any way by them, then your "recreational only" reasons for taking them are suspect and disrespectful of these powerful Shaman's medicines and all that they have to teach you and disrespectful of YOURSELF and your own INNER STRENGTH that they can help you to learn is really in there, even though you may not realize it. Many a Shaman will use such confrontational language, not as an insult, but in order to inspire someone to take a brave leap that some childish part of them may still be afraid to take... the point is not to prove you are "macho", but but FIND THE STRENGTH AND COURAGE WITHIN YOURSELF and that by doing so you are better off and better able to handle the very REAL and serious emotional challenges that LIFE is at some point going to FORCE upon you whether you want them or not, like illness, accident, or loss of loved ones.

That said, recreation is fine & great - I am a huge hedonist at heart to tell the truth - but as invert says to be afraid of "revelations" or not be prepared for unexpected confrontational experiences caused by the drug is usually just asking for trouble. So whatever you do, HOPE you have fun, but KNOW that the drug may well have more in store for you than that, and accept that that is a GOOD thing, right ?!
 
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If your an overthinker then you'll certainly find yourself... SUPER-overthinking on mushrooms or psychedellics... 2C-I seems to keep people in their minds but still have fun and hallucinate... but I've also had a few mushroom trips that were far more fun than they were insightful... but they are always very EMOTIONAL
 
DwayneHoover said:
I agree all the others... you are saying you want to trip without tripping.... HAHA no can do, pal. Shrooms will kick your butt if thats the attitude you take them with... that just pisses them off. They WANT to show you and teach you.... ANY attempt to control or avoid that ALWAYS seems to lead to even more difficult effects. DONT WORRY! You'll be OK.... it's not that bad, really...actually you'll enjoy it... like the surprise of what's going to happen is like part of the thrill of riding a roller coaster youve never been on before. Besides which that intense peak is pretty short on shrooms... 45mins tops, and you will feel yourself starting to come down. Trust us.... ITS WORTH IT... and you will be GLAD YOU DID IT IN THE END! We are all still here, happily recommending it right?


Any what would be the point of LIFE ITSELF if we always knew what was going to happen next?

The revelations ARE THE ENTIRE POINT OF DOING IT. If all you want is some shallow visual effects then go get some of those novelty glasses that make you see rainbows everywhere, and leave the potent Shaman's drugs to those who really want them, not fraidy-cats. Come on.... step up... have a little courage... envision yourself a powerful Indian Brave on a Vision Quest, and everything will be just fine!

Don't bother with a teeny tiny dose... its a waste, and is TOTALLY different than a more proper dose. Try 2 grams dried... should be enough for you to feel what they have to offer, have some important enlightening thoughts and feelings about yourself and the nature of reality that you WILL BE VERY VERY GLAD that you had, but without being ego-shredding or too scary..

If you learn to handle that, then some other time, go up to 3g, and you will have grown the "leg muscles" to handle that too.

How old are you by the way?
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I'm 19.
 
Wow thanks so much for all the input! Your responses truly made me reconsider my close mindedness about the insights. I guess I was fearful because I have always been scared of any type of change in my life. But maybe a change in my thoughts is what I need the most? Who knows. I do think this will be a great experience, but since I am an overthinker, it's hard not to think about what could go wrong...

But like everyone said, the best thing is to go with the flow, which I need to learn how to do better. And I'm planning on taking half an eighth, because I am sharing an eighth with my hubby, who has eaten them a few times before.
 
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If your an overthinker then you'll certainly find yourself... SUPER-overthinking on mushrooms or psychedellics... 2C-I seems to keep people in their minds but still have fun and hallucinate... but I've also had a few mushroom trips that were far more fun than they were insightful... but they are always very EMOTIONAL
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I am a very emotional person naturally... Can that negatively affect my trip? I'm especially a bit concerned because something very devastating and unexpected happened to a family member recently, but now they are ok so I'm not as upset as I was... However, I fear that those emotions will somehow come back to me during my trip.
 
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I am a very emotional person naturally... Can that negatively affect my trip?
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I'd say it might affect your trip. But no reason why it should do so negatively. Your emotionality could be a very positive thing in the trip. :)

I'm especially a bit concerned because something very devastating and unexpected happened to a family member recently, but now they are ok so I'm not as upset as I was... However, I fear that those emotions will somehow come back to me during my trip.
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I don't think anyone can reassure you that those emotions definitely won't come back to you. Psychedelics can (in my experience) sometimes lead me to very completely immerse myself in an emotional response, much more deeply than I would normally. But your experience (of the effect of psychedelics on your emotions) may be entirely different.

I think I'd suggest that if there are things in your mind at the moment that you simply cannot bear to face, then taking psychedelics might not be a good idea. If these things are distressing, but you can bear to face them, maybe psychedelics might help you process them; or at least see them from a new perspective. I don't know. Or maybe you won't dwell on them at all during your trip. I can't know.

It's weird. You're stepping into the unknown, in a sense, but that unknown is, in another sense, yourself. I hope you'll find it enjoyable or useful or thought provoking or pleasurable or some such combination of positive things.
 
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^ Probably not Pp. I'd say 1.75g with your trusted hubby in your comfy home sounds just about right. Trust his experience, AND your own strength... and if there are any signs of emotional upset or seeing scary stuff, just say to yourself over and over

"Everything is all in my mind... Everything is all in my mind... EVERYTHING is all in my mind..."

Or try to detach your "inner eye" from owning any thoughts... like the meditation method in which you try to avoid having thoughts, but just LET GO of any that do occur, allowing them to evaporate or just drift on past like big puffy clouds!

Doing this exact same thing WHILE TRIPPING, especially with any negative trip thoughts or feelings or visuals usually forces me to take a "higher-level" view of everything and recall that I've taken a drug and that *I* am the one generating the whole thing, it's not really real.

The effort of "stepping outside" yourself in this way is actually a kind of sophisticated meditation practice which can distract the fear-generating parts of your mind and put things on a much more even keel. At least in my experience. Well, try and remember that trick, anyway... maybe write it on a 3x5 index card with a thick marker in some color that makes you happy!

Having spacey and/or energetic/uplifting music is also very helpful (YES- Close To The Edge is GREAT for keeping the mind in a positive place and blocking excessively negative thoughts... or whatever else you feel might do that for you.. try to avoid sad or maudlin however, obviously... normal "songs" that are "about" things tend to just get confusing IMO, which of course does not apply to YES, haha!)

Good luck, and DO have fun, friend!
 
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Or as the Beatle say in their song Tomorrow Never Knows (which can be a BIG help while tripping):

Turn off your mind, relax
and float down stream
It is not dying
It is not dying

Lay down all thought
Surrender to the void
It is shining
It is shining

That you may see
The meaning of within
It is being
It is being

That love is all
And love is everyone
It is knowing
It is knowing
 
I wasn't aware that any revelations or anything could happen the first time I took mushrooms...

However, I completely forgot I existed, became unstuck from time and space, and this was the most amazing experience I ever had the privilege of having. It really is something to get reborn in a new, wondrous universe.

My point is, take the experience in your stride. If you have such an experience, you will thoroughly enjoy it ;)
 
Sounds like the whole experience would not suit you, if your scared of having part of an Psychedelic experience then don't do those type of drugs that take you there.

You can't pick and chose parts of a trip, the cards your dealt must be ridden out. You should just stick to other less mind-bending drugs: cannabis, MDMA etc.

You should know that it may make you think about your life who you are etc at any dose, and if you have had soul crushing things in your life like being sexually abused when you were a child, hallucinogens are not good for a person with those type of experiences and they should avoid them like herpes.
 
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cLOUDDEAD said:
i am convinced, through my own experienced with mushrooms (even low dose, i don't ever do more than a couple grams) it is IMPOSSIBLE to trip without having profound thoughts, don't do shrooms if you don't want a whole new paradigm.
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Yeah, but whats a profound thought? Whats a new paradigm? These words get bandied around a lot, but I would suggest this: being on mushrooms doesn't cause one to have epiphanies or profound thoughts; they act by making the mundane/everyday thoughts SEEM profound. There is a difference.

And I'm not having a go at you; I hear what you're saying, just throwing a new slant out there :)

There are revelations and then there are average normal human thoiughts cloaked as revelations. Both are great, but what shifts my paradigm (sounds sexual eh :D) is conducting my self in reality and using my own psychic powers to alter it dramatically.

Like last night; I went bonkers (am on a benzo tapering regime) and accidentally invoked a sort of kundalini overload- which manifested as a partial seizure/panic attack- which I used to allow the divine to enter my body.

That or I simply went bonkers. Either or....I do like the idea of chemognosis though.
 
Pinkpuff said:
Wow thanks so much for all the input! Your responses truly made me reconsider my close mindedness about the insights. I guess I was fearful because I have always been scared of any type of change in my life. But maybe a change in my thoughts is what I need the most? Who knows. I do think this will be a great experience, but since I am an overthinker, it's hard not to think about what could go wrong...

But like everyone said, the best thing is to go with the flow, which I need to learn how to do better. And I'm planning on taking half an eighth, because I am sharing an eighth with my hubby, who has eaten them a few times before.
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I agree.
 
Pinkpuff said:
I am a very emotional person naturally... Can that negatively affect my trip? I'm especially a bit concerned because something very devastating and unexpected happened to a family member recently, but now they are ok so I'm not as upset as I was... However, I fear that those emotions will somehow come back to me during my trip.
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I find that being a more objective person helps, but release of built up emotions can sometimes be exactly what you need in such a deep gratifying profound way that you just fall in love with the mushrooms for doing what they do.

however some serious advice, if anything happens to someone you love or has recently I recommend NOT eating mushrooms until that issue is long over. Once on a trip my friend went catatonic from suppressed memories and I just couldnt help the guy... it was one of the most terrifying events in my life because even though I was trying something new to snap him out of it every few minutes nothing gave and he just continued to act like he was lost in a dream.

It tore me a new facehole and really humbled me, seeing that some people just can't keep it together whereas others have a natural ability to "stay in the moment", now my friend snapped out of it at an instant but I never knew if he was done for good or if he was going to need therapy or something.

to trip you need to be on a vacation basically nothing to harm you, make sure time is not a factor because trust me this is the BS you worry about when your coming up "is my mom coming home tonight? do I have to skip school tommorow? Do i have to be anywhere within 12 hours?"

so clear your mind of all potential worry, even after years of tripping I can get pretty looped out about something like a family member knocking on my door or calling me while i'm dosed and looking for the deepest aspects of my being 8o
 
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