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Heroin Should I expect to go into heroin withdrawals ?

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Hey, swim used heroin last friday and everyday before that, he is hooked on it however he only really smokes it. Swim decided to try and quit from saturday, he had to help, some kratom, co-codamol and cyclizines. Swim became very unwell, all the usual symptoms occurred, chills, sweating, vomiting bile, green poo etc etc.
Swim was very unwell for a few days, he hates going through the withdrawal process.
Just today, about two hours after getting out of bed he did indeed start to feel better and even managed to walk hospital to get blood check.
Afterwards swim became really bored, the sun was shining and he wanted to get high, so he bought just under half a gram of heroin.
He has finished it now.

What I'm asking is, even if he doesn't have any more heroin, will he experience withdrawals again ? Would they be as bad this time if so ?
Today was the forth day swim hadn't had heroin, every time swim does this and has heroin after a rattle, he does it everyday again. But this time he
has no plans on getting any more.

If you can offer your opinions, personal experience or any help in answering my questions, both me and swim would be grateful indeed.
Thank you.
 
First of all, you don't need to use the term "swim" here. We're here for harm reduction and help.

Honestly... its questionable whether you will. A half gram is a pretty decent amount but you didn't space it out. I would expect to feel some minor withdrawal considering today was the first day you started to feel better and JUST came out of withdrawal... but I wouldn't expect it to be as bad. If I were you I'd get some Loperamide and some sort of benzo(Alprazolam, Valium, Lorazepam)and that will most surely mask any minor withdrawal symptoms you may have. Good luck to you mate.

I'm going through the same thing right now, just with the help of suboxone and a different beast(Poppy Seed Tea) Although I in the past I have had multiple bouts with intravaneous heroin use. You'll be alright. You just have to really make the choice to either get clean or don't. You will be going through an endless cycle of use, withdrawal, recovery, use, withdrawal, recovery. Its no fun. I'm 25 and this bullshit has been going on with me since i was 16. I'm so over it. Get out while you can.
 
Thanks! Yeah I'm also 25, I don't want to keep doing that but it seems so difficult to stop and actually stay stopped. I've tried but every time go back. The longest without was a month, that was with my prescription of subutex. I really can't stand the withdrawals, I know no one likes them, but I can confidently say they are one of the worst things ever, especially with the depression the withdrawal brings.
 
i agree with you 100% on that depression thing. The whole process is rough. Get a good support system, get rid of the friends you use with, change your number, and pick up a hobby. Those are my best suggestions. Getting on some sort of maintenance program isn't the worst thing in the world. It beats the alternative. I'm doing a short term Suboxone Detox now.
 
I think moving away would be my best chance really. Damn heroin is a drug I wish I didn't know. Your right about the mates thing, most of my mates stopped seeing us when we started heroin, now it's just me, my mate who started doing it with me, and the dealer. I have a girlfriend but she thinks I've not had it for a month or so, she doesn't do drugs and said she would finish with me if I got back on it, because the last time she helped me I went straight back on it and lied. My mate and my associates all inject, I tried once, missed, it really hurt and so that put me off.
 
I agree that withdrawal is just about the worst thing a human being can go through. It's non-stop hell and has no mercy. It's enough to make someone go literally insane. Everyone says how awful it is but one can ever KNOW unless they actually go through it. I heard all the warnings and said to myself "I've been thru much worse, I can handle withdrawal.." HAAAH!!! I tried my hardest 3 separate times to go cold turkey. It's like putting your willpower through a cheese grader. I had nothing left by the time I gave up.

I tried Suboxone and it didn't work for me either. So I swallowed my pride and signed up at my local methadone clinic. I am 9 weeks clean now and almost ready to start weaning off the methadone. %) The methadone treatment is a long road, but it was my only option. Because of work, I can not be "out of commission" for long periods of time. With the methadone, withdrawal symptoms are completely gone and I feel like a normal person. I can do everything I need to do in life. And no one would ever be able to tell I am on it. I should be completely recovered by Sept or Oct. Once done with this ordeal, I will never put H into my body again. It's just not worth the risk of getting sucked down into that tunnel of despair again.
 
youll definetly withdraw again but it wont be AS bad as before. why set yourself back to square one after you were already out of the woods ( so to speak I know PAWS is worse than acute WD's ).

if it was nice out you should of went for a bikeride or jog to keep your mind of dope and get those natural endorphins to the brain.
 
CalamityVein said:
I agree that withdrawal is just about the worst thing a human being can go through. It's non-stop hell and has no mercy. It's enough to make someone go literally insane. Everyone says how awful it is but one can ever KNOW unless they actually go through it. I heard all the warnings and said to myself "I've been thru much worse, I can handle withdrawal.." HAAAH!!! I tried my hardest 3 separate times to go cold turkey. It's like putting your willpower through a cheese grader. I had nothing left by the time I gave up.

I tried Suboxone and it didn't work for me either. So I swallowed my pride and signed up at my local methadone clinic. I am 9 weeks clean now and almost ready to start weaning off the methadone. %) The methadone treatment is a long road, but it was my only option. Because of work, I can not be "out of commission" for long periods of time. With the methadone, withdrawal symptoms are completely gone and I feel like a normal person. I can do everything I need to do in life. And no one would ever be able to tell I am on it. I should be completely recovered by Sept or Oct. Once done with this ordeal, I will never put H into my body again. It's just not worth the risk of getting sucked down into that tunnel of despair again.
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Just make sure you do a sloooow and steady taper off the methadone. I was only on Methadone about 9 months and finally got sick of it... I tapered down to 40mg thinking I could handle it from there. HA! Fucking owned. I was ill as shit for a month, but I didn't go back. Luckily I had a boss who was understanding, her husband had been through something similar and changed his life.. so she gave me 2 weeks off. Even after the two weeks though I was worthless. I had no motivation, or energy to do anything.

EDIT: Max dose was 100mg
 
I really regret doing that, I didn't even enjoy it. I had to go post office to sort out driving licence and just felt all dopey and could hardly write properly and I felt guilty the whole time. The thing is I knew it was a bad idea, but just couldn't get it out of my head. I hope I don't withdraw again, not like that it was a nightmare. Plus tomorrow I have to get the train and go hospital for an appointment, then thursday go job centre. Supposed to meet my girlfriend soon to. God I don't want to be feeling ill while doing all this.
 
thatbird said:
Just make sure you do a sloooow and steady taper off the methadone. I was only on Methadone about 9 months and finally got sick of it... I tapered down to 40mg thinking I could handle it from there. HA! Fucking owned. I was ill as shit for a month, but I didn't go back. Luckily I had a boss who was understanding, her husband had been through something similar and changed his life.. so she gave me 2 weeks off. Even after the two weeks though I was worthless. I had no motivation, or energy to do anything.

EDIT: Max dose was 100mg
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Wow, thanks for the advice. I can see how it could really trick you into thinking you can handle it from 40mg. While on it, I feel completely sober.. doesn't feel like I'm on anything at all. But of course, a person who has no tolerance to opiates would be totally flattened by even 10mg of methadone. So you are definitely on something HEAVY, you just can't feel it. So yea, I will take it very slowly with the tapering down! Thanks :)
 
If people can't accept you because you used heroin, and became dependent on it, whether for short or long time, then fuck them, they sound like judgmental pricks. I understand if you are flaky or fuck them over somehow again and again, but just for using the drug? fuck that. Also, stop feeling all sorry for yourself, this is what heroin does to you if you abuse it, better get used to it as it's only going to get worse, so stop now before it does.
 
I never did anything wrong to them, it's just some people really don't like junkies, most of them still have time for me but..
I used again today, I have to go by train to the hospital and felt bad this morning, but have to take the trip to hospital so ended buying more.
I don't feel sorry for myself, I just wish I could stay away from the gear.
 
We don't use swim it sounds ridiclulas and quite frankly is extremely irritating! Read the BLUA and use the search engine. Also check out the heroin megathread.
 
I realize a good number of people do not like junkies. That is mainly because of ignorance on their part to fully understand or comprehend what it means to be a junkie. They think it's our fault for becoming dependent on said drug and we are a waste of human beings, worst case scenario. And LE thinks drug addiction is a legal issue as opposed to what it really is, a medical issue. Everything is ass-backwards! As long as you're not stealing from them, flaking on them, being violent towards them, they have NO reason to treat you that way, that JUDGMENTAL bullshit, I can't stand it. I mean it's okay for them not to like heroin and not like their I guess former friend using heroin, but they should try to help you not judge you and push you away. I can't stand other drug users, like say tweakers, but I'm not going to not talk to them just because I happen to not like crystal methamphetamine.

As to the rest you said, I think a sound idea for you would be to PLAN AHEAD next time so you don't have to worry about the train ride/long distances to where you got to go. You can stay away from the gear/scag/smack/dope/etc..I love European slang terms for heroin lol. Where I'm from, people in the ghetto call is 'boy' and cocaine is 'girl'. Only other slang is 'tar' or 'dope', nothing cool. I recommend getting on a SHORT-TERM subutex program, that is the easiest way to stop IMHO, but make sure to only use the sub for 2 weeks MAX MAX MAX or you run major risk of developing long term habit to it after, as I did and majorly fucking regret.
 
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